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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / August 2005Tinnitus - Maybe, Maybe Not?
Hello everyone! I don't want to jump the gun just yet and say I have tinnitus, as I haven't been to a ENT specialist yet nor have I yet been properly diagnosed. I made a post at WebMD, but I thought I'd ask some people who actually have tinnitus before I give up all hope! This past friday I went to see my friend's metal band perform downtown Toronto. I was only there for about 25 minutes, although I couldn't have been more than 10 feet away from the loudspeakers. I was angled in such a way that my right ear was the ear receiving the most punishment, and occassionally throughout their performance my right ear would vibrate and tickle like crazy. I'd rub it, shift a bit, and move around to try to avoid it happening again, but it seemed to happen only when the vocalist hit a particular pich. After the show both my ears were ringing, per usual after such a loud performance, although my right ear was worse off than my left- and for good reason. The ear was ringing for the rest of the night, but I didn't give it much attention. I went to bed, had some crazy dreams, and when I woke up I realized my ear was still ringing. All day Saturday, and now all day Sunday, my right ear has been ringing. It is, admittedly, fairly faint. I only notice it if there is not much else ambient sound in wherever I am. I know Tinnitus can be so bad that you can't even hold conversation, so I count myself lucky if i do, in fact, have tinnitus. My ear also feels as though there is a little bit of pressure on the inside, and every now and then it'll hurt ever so slightly for a few moments before disappearing. I have heard that I have not yet been suffering from teh symptoms long enough to draw any conclusions, and that after particularly noisy concerts it may be a few days before an injured ear returns to normal, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Admittedly, the idea of having a ringing sound in my right ear for the rest of my life is making me a very unhappy camper. I am scheduled to go see a doctor tomorrow regardless, and hopefully if they think it could prove to be more than temporary I'll be referred to a ENT specialist. But what do you all think? Tinnitus? Temporary? I never listen to much loud music, but I've heard that all it takes is one particularly loud event to cause damage. May be just ear wax buildup. see a specialist soon. > Hello everyone! > I don't want to jump the gun just yet and say I have tinnitus, as I haven't [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > music, but I've heard that all it takes is one particularly loud event to > cause damage. A wax build up to coincide with an overly loud metal concert? Should I be so optimistic? > May be just ear wax buildup. see a specialist soon. > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > music, but I've heard that all it takes is one particularly loud event to > > cause damage. The wax build up was beforew any loud noise. The loud music loosens a piece or an end of the hardened wax and it buzzes and irritates the ear drum or other parts. This can produce all kinds of distortion and/or noises in your ears. Get to a specialist soon. Get a real hands-on diagnosis from real eyes. > A wax build up to coincide with an overly loud metal concert? Should I be so > optimistic? [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > to > > > cause damage. I certainly hope so. My ear still feels like it has pressure in it, which doesn't seem like a common symptom of everyday tinnitus. > The wax build up was beforew any loud noise. The loud music loosens a piece > or an end of the hardened wax and it buzzes and irritates the ear drum or [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > to > > > > cause damage. > The wax build up was beforew any loud noise. The loud music loosens a > piece [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Get to a specialist soon. Get a real hands-on diagnosis from real eyes. Larry, This is an explanation that I'd expect from Francis. His tinnitus passes the duck test - it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck, has feathers like a duck, and flies like a duck. It probably is a duck and not butterfly. Music that is intense enough to cause a piece of was to loosen would cause far more damage than just tinnitus.  SignatureHNG A Zen Thought: What is the speed of dark? Howard N. Gutnick, Ph.D. Body Pride Personal Training BodyPride@cox.net www.BodyPrideOnline.com 757 496-3270 Home 757 630-9208 Mobile Also true! > > The wax build up was beforew any loud noise. The loud music loosens a > > piece [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 757 496-3270 Home > 757 630-9208 Mobile I guess your ear drums only vibrate to the loudest music and not the quieter sounds then. I think you stand alone. Now what was your point there? > > The wax build up was beforew any loud noise. The loud music loosens a > > piece [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Music that is intense enough to cause a piece of was to loosen would cause > far more damage than just tinnitus. >I guess your ear drums only vibrate to the loudest music and not the >quieter [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now what was your point there? Of course eardrums vibrate in response to both loud and soft sounds. That wasn't my point. The point is whether the acoustic energy is intense enough to loosen a piece of wax. It isn't. And if the wax was so impacted that it made contact with the tympanic membrane, he would have known it before hand. It seems you want to argue just for its own sake. You're in over your head here. HNG You are telling me wax against the eardrum or other ear parts cannot harden or dry and pull away with a minute separation that can cause a buzz in your hearing? Me thinks you need to back to school on that one. You are in over your head in bullshit and all can see Howie. > >I guess your ear drums only vibrate to the loudest music and not the > >quieter [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > HNG Will you guys stop, please? o.o > You are telling me wax against the eardrum or other ear parts cannot harden > or dry and pull away with a minute separation that can cause a buzz in your [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > HNG Well Tage I'll play the devils advocate. Because you mention pressure on the inside and you were listening to loud music, I would say you damaged the Stapes foot plate of the middle ear. This is the mechanical portion of the hearing process. As far as an E.N.T. being able to tell you if it is permanent or temporary, I dont think, he will be able to tell you that. Hopefully the damage is minor enough that over time your body will heal the damage. For illustrations of Stapes foot plate see this link: http://www.american-hearing.org/name/barotrauma.html#treated Leave cursor over pic to animate it. All the best Tage,, good luck .. Joe . . . . ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everyone! > I don't want to jump the gun just yet and say I have tinnitus, as I [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > music, but I've heard that all it takes is one particularly loud event to > cause damage. On 8/22/05 2:34 AM, in article 1%gOe.284740$s54.270446@pd7tw2no, "Joe" <gamerlyle@shaw.ca> wrote: > I would say you damaged the Stapes > foot plate of the middle ear. You can't damage the footplate of the stapes with sound any more than you can damage a bone of the finger. The only way I think that'd be possible is if the vibrations I felt throughout my ear twice or three times throughout the show somehow damaged the plate, otherwise I don't think mere soundwaves could have done such damage. > Well Tage > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > music, but I've heard that all it takes is one particularly loud event to > > cause damage. > Well Tage > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Leave cursor over pic to animate it. > All the best Tage,, good luck .. Joe . . . . If there were acoustic trauma, it is likely that there would be damage at the joint between the incus and the stapes (the incudo-stapedial joint). Typically, it is the weakest point in the chain. But if this occurred, there would/could be vertigo, an eardrum perforation, significant hearing loss, and tinnitus. Or all of the above. HNG Hi Tage, Here's a theory for you, just one possible theory of course, based on my own experience with loud music. I used to work in a night club that would have uber loud bands on Sunday nights. Fortunately I didn't work there for long, but after every show I would have noticeable ringing in my ears for about 24 hours. Nothing that I can recall would last longer than that, but that brings me to my theory; perhaps you've had a very slight T all along and this recent bout due to the loud noise has just made you aware of it? I realized I had T about 9 months ago and it really did sneak up on me. I think I potentially had it for quite a bit longer than 9 months, but for one reason or another never really recognized that the quiet high pitched sound wasn't real. I just never really took the time to notice it, or never thought of it. I'm not sure what the magic thing is that one particular day makes you say "Hey, what the dickens is that sound I can hear?" Now that I have noticed it (first time was in a quiet hotel room on a business trip) it has gotten much louder and last week I was ready to pull my ears off! :-) So, hopefully your T won't progress any further, but it could be a warning to avoid any more loud music. For me I don't think exposure to loud music is the cause, since it was over 12 years ago, and just a handful of times, but I guess anything is possible, and I'm probably ignoring all the loud venues I went to where my ears didn't ring the next day. Good luck with it anyway. Cheers, Wayne. I suppose that's entirely possible, although I've been to loud concerts once or twice before without much effect. Third times a charm? ;) > Hi Tage, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Cheers, > Wayne. It's just a matter of time. Hopefully it'll be temporary. In my case it was also one night out in a metal club. I always loved loud music, and temporary ringing in my ears was a common thing for me. Unfortunately that one night (back in 1999) changed things and the T became permanent. It's not so much the constant ringing that's annoying (one can easily ignore it). For me the real problem was adapting to a life without loud music. Just a few weeks ago I was careless and now I can hear the ringing even with background noise (like watching TV). Apart from that, I've lived the majority of the time without actually being aware of it (even when going to sleep) which I think is a testimony to the brains' ability to adapt and filter it out. |
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