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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / August 2005Music and relaxation exercises to cure tinnitus
A new study out of Heidelberg, Germany, shows that music therapy and relaxation exercises will cure tinnitus. 80% of the people who participated stopped hearing the signal. It was brought out in this report that the causes of tinnitus had up to now not been well understood, but that it is stress related and that an actual change has taken place in the brain which causes the person to hear rushing, hissing and ringing noises. The Deutsche Welle report can be listened to here. Click on "The report as video on demand". It requires that you have real player installed. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/episode/0,1569,1627906,00.html Christa Sobczak (To respond remove "nospam" from my e-mail address.) Thank you Christa. It reminds me of the Neuromonics approach. An English version of the actual website is here: http://www.dzm.fh-heidelberg.de/english/projekte/tinnitus.htm Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >A new study out of Heidelberg, Germany, shows that music therapy and relaxation >exercises will cure tinnitus. 80% of the people who participated stopped [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >(To respond remove "nospam" from my e-mail address.) I was once in China living in a busy small town where there are many bicycles. Whenever the blake's sound came, I felt relaxed immediately. At that time I was suffering immensely from my tinnitus. I thus stayed by the roadside all day long to listen to the brake sounds from the bicyles. On 8/15/05 10:02 PM, in article 1124168562.275170.286570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" > I was once in China living in a busy small town where there are many > bicycles. Whenever the blake's sound came, I felt relaxed immediately. > At that time I was suffering immensely from my tinnitus. I thus > stayed by the roadside all day long to listen to the brake sounds from > the bicyles. In the US we make a recording of the sound and play it at home so we can get our housework done. On 8/15/05 10:09 AM, in article Q_3Me.1284$r54.626@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com, "Christa Sobczak" <csjs@pacbell.net> wrote: > A new study out of Heidelberg, Germany, shows that music therapy and > relaxation [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > (To respond remove "nospam" from my e-mail address.) Nice work, as it verifies my study. Music should be specifically confined to cultured music such as the European classical music, and in this case should not include R_and_R or other kinds of dumb-downing inventions. That latter can create more tinnitus and in particular mental inferiority among people. >Music should be specifically confined to cultured music such as the >European classical music, and in this case should not include R_and_R >or other kinds of dumb-downing inventions. That latter can create more >tinnitus and in particular mental inferiority among people. The Neuromonics people use music of the patient's choice. Which will be different for everybody. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >>Music should be specifically confined to cultured music such as the >>European classical music, and in this case should not include R_and_R >>or other kinds of dumb-downing inventions. That latter can create more >>tinnitus and in particular mental inferiority among people. So let me get this straight. In Francis Fantasy Land, hereafter known as FFL, rock and roll will create mental inferiority? But wouldn't this brain sapping counteracted by eating carrots? HNG In FFL, there is a good correlation between cultured music and healthy living. That correlation, I am afraid, cannot be said of R_n_R. Thus the FFL world does have a kind of scientific character attached to it. Years ago I found "Queen" to be the best music to cover up my T, and Mozart, but NOT violins - errrkkk! Ben > In FFL, there is a good correlation between cultured music and healthy > living. That correlation, I am afraid, cannot be said of R_n_R. Thus > the FFL world does have a kind of scientific character attached to it. If you had used Mozart alone and avoided Queens, not only that your t might have improved a lot more than what it did but also your would have become smarter than you are. Fortunately, you subjected yourself to the influence of this kind of dumb-downing music when you had grown up and achieved self-control. If you had opted for the Queens music alternative as a child, you might have dropped out of high school, been taking drugs, having random sex and thus sex diseases, and above all approved of same sex marriage law by the government. When the Africans wrote these rock and roll songs, they used this kind of music to describe how animals climb up and down the trees, and they used it also to alleviate the pain and suffering associated with harsh work while tolling as slaves. When this kind of musical influence got flared up in the US and UK, it produced a thick layer of intellectual mediocrity and laziness. BBC in England used to be the intellectual leader of at least half of the world and the radio broadcasters used to speak with such a rich British accent. Now, the whole thing has been dumbed down! The populartiy of rock and roll has been correlated with the decline of the puritan culture, drug epidemics, poor grades of the students, high divorce rates, decadent way of life, etc.. Years ago when I was a student in the department of economics at UBC of Canada, only less than 10% of the students were non-white or mainly Chinese. Now, 90% of them are Asians and out of this bulk of Asians 90% of them are Chinese. This acute phenomenon is also true of other hard-core math/ engineering/science departments. The only thing that has prevented the kids of the puritans or WASPs from getting into these departments is their grades and nothing else. On the other hand, practically 100% of the enrolment in 'softies' such as philosophy, cross-cultural studies, liternature, etc. are WASP students. Why is the decline so tragic? I am not sure, but I believe a case can be made that the musical influence has a lot to do with it. This music influence certain is not found in the cultured music such as the European classic music. Before the German Aryans were driven out of the forests by the Tartars, they had been drinking animal blood and wearing animal skins while dancing around camp fires in naked bottoms. The subsequent development of the Aryans into a higher form of civilization was well correlated with the development of European classical music. A correlational relationship is not necessarily casuality, but in this case it might well be. Bloody hell Francis! You are a Puritan or something???? Ben<who found Queen excellent for covering up the T and still loves their music, and Mozart :) > > If you had used Mozart alone and avoided Queens, not only that your t > might have improved a lot more than what it did but also your would [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > relationship is not necessarily casuality, but in this case it might > well be. > Bloody hell Francis! You are a Puritan or something???? GOD is the answer. "The Rev. A.C. Byrne" <vicar@vestry.com> wrote in part: >> Bloody hell Francis! You are a Puritan or something???? >> >GOD is the answer. To what question?  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > "The Rev. A.C. Byrne" <vicar@vestry.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > To what question? How does one explain Francis in terms of intelligent design? >> "The Rev. A.C. Byrne" <vicar@vestry.com> wrote in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> To what question? > How does one explain Francis in terms of intelligent design? A very good point. It obviously is the fatal flaw in the theory. HNG Not a very good at all. If the theory were filled with fatal flaw, then how could you be proud of what you are in terms of being the product of God's design of intelligence? Ingenuous wrote:"How does one explain Francis in terms of intelligent design? " So are you measuring God's way of designing intelligence against that of your own? > Ingenuous wrote:"How does one explain Francis in terms of intelligent > design? " > > So are you measuring God's way of designing intelligence against that > of your own? Yes. Thanks for being honest. So from now on I am placing your level of intelligence at par with that of Ben's. Are you and the rev ill? Ben > Thanks for being honest. So from now on I am placing your level of > intelligence at par with that of Ben's. > GOD is the answer. Ahh.. but who is she? Does she exist? If so, I want scientific evidence please. Ben Ben =86=E9=93=BC > > GOD is the answer. > > Ahh.. but who is she? Does she exist? If so, I want scientific evidence > please. The existence of the universe is already scientific evidence of the existence of its designer or what people call God. Your level of intelligence has led you to think of God in terms of 'he' or 'she' walking above us delivering tinnitus to those who have sinned. FP > Ben The existence of the universe is already scientific evidence of the existence of its designer or what people call God. Your level of intelligence has led you to think of God in terms of 'he' or 'she' walking above us delivering tinnitus to those who have sinned. My level of intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with something I do not believe in! I don't believe in sinning, only against another human being, and I certainly don't believe another human being gave me tinnitus. I was joking Francis when I said who is *she*? Dog could be anything, anyone, any sex to someone who wasn't so closed-minded as you I have every right not to believe, just as you have the right to believe what the hell you like! You have no sense of humour, so maybe the tinnitus has affected your brain more than mine? Ben <still enjoying peaceful times, and an atheist too - crikey! :)> Ben wrote:"My level of intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with something I do not believe in!" If you don't believe in something in the absence of evidence, you then will be considered to be an intelligent person. But in vew of the existence of the universe and your inability to recognise there must be a creator of this universe, it does have everything to do with your intelligence, which in my view has been dumb-downed by either fish and chips or Coke. > > GOD is the answer. > > Ahh.. but who is she? Does she exist? If so, I want scientific evidence > please. > > Ben God is conventionally adressed by the male pronoun, as you well know. God is defined as the author of reality itself, and imparts this with a potential for self-awareness through the sentience of life forms. Since 'science' is merely a method developed by some of these same life forms to gain knowledge, it lies inside the God/Reality and is limited by its internally-developed logic. Therefore debating questions which lie outside it, like the existence of God, is beyond Science's scope. Doubting the existence of God unless you have scientific evidence is a bit like saying you can't believe a great piece of music (one that inspires you say, and sends shivers down your spine) really exists as such, because there's no evidence of this on a scientific laboratory instrument which shows only the sound waves. >> > GOD is the answer. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > there's no evidence of this on a scientific laboratory instrument which > shows only the sound waves. Claiming the existence of God in the absence of evidence is called faith. We are well aware of the physiological effects of simple harmonic motion. >> > Doubting the existence of God unless you have scientific evidence is a bit > > like saying you can't believe a great piece of music (one that inspires > > you > > say, and sends shivers down your spine) really exists as such, because > > there's no evidence of this on a scientific laboratory instrument which > > shows only the sound waves. > Claiming the existence of God in the absence of evidence is called faith. ...only when the frame of reference for your evidence are restricted to the physical realm. But nothing can be known without qualifying it against something else. Why should physical reality itself be any different? To be certain that the physical frame can be 'absolute' or somehow more 'true' than anything else is not only nonsensical but is actually a form of 'faith' itself... > We are well aware of the physiological effects of simple harmonic motion. But what about the psychological effects ? >>> > Doubting the existence of God unless you have scientific evidence is a > bit [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > But what about the psychological effects ? I only replied to your message because it contained an analogy to the physiological effects of sound. This is not the forum to discuss religion. Unless you have questions regarding tinnitus or tinnitus related issues, why don't you take your evangelism elsewhere. > I only replied to your message because it contained an analogy to the > physiological effects of sound. This is not the forum to discuss religion. > Unless you have questions regarding tinnitus or tinnitus related issues, why > don't you take your evangelism elsewhere. ah ah ah ah ........... AH AH AH AH AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is *exactly* why I am an atheist - crikey! Religious nut, or what? Ben > ah > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > ah > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fancy that- a "religious" troll. Take your trash elsewhere. frank > > ah > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .......CHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!! Ah that's better - sorry about that ! But you made me sneeze. Actually I'm not a religious troll, more a philosophical troll. But I know when I'm not wanted so now I'll get the 'hell' out. Cheerio..... :-) Rev Your started it by responding to Rev on the particular subject of God's existence. If you want to back down now because of the lack of intellectual ability, it will come as a humble move. But you wish to save face that would have been lost due to ignorance. > Claiming the existence of God in the absence of evidence is called faith. The existence of the universe is already the proof of its creator, which people call God. FP What about the big bang theory by Stephen Hawking? Surely no "being" who is meant to represent love would kill so many of its inhabitants deliberately? Ben > The existence of the universe is already the proof of its creator, > which people call God. > > FP > What about the big bang theory by Stephen Hawking? Surely no "being" who is > meant to represent love would kill so many of its inhabitants deliberately? Going seriously OT here and I've already over-stayed my 'welcome', but to answer your query... If this 'life' or 'reality' is actually a sort of dream (ie. there is _no_ absolute reality) then if one were to die yet 'God did nothing', this would hold no more significance than say, awakening from a nightmare. Once you'd awoken into a higher reality (in this case 'heaven', say) you'd realise that your friendless death wasn't quite so tragic after all. There might even have been a lesson to learn, just as there can be from any dream . This isn't a load of wishful thinking and it's grounded in common sense. If I'm still not getting myself across and you want to debate more, please suggest a more appropriate usenet group we can go... I shall _definitely_ be booted out of here now! :( Rev There is no "booted out of here" except in my case. Off topic? So what? Nobody has much else to say and it isn't bothering me. I am sure some can find solice from their tinnitus in Religion or philosophy. I am not a Christian believing person. I believe in their morals, just not a hardware God. > > What about the big bang theory by Stephen Hawking? Surely no "being" who > is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Rev >>What about the big bang theory by Stephen Hawking? Surely no "being" who > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Rev First of all, this is unmoderated usenet, no one can boot anyone off. Second, if you have tinnitus, but want to engage in off topic discussions, PLEASE just label your subject header OT: and those who want to read about tinnitus will know to skip it. Thanks. Susan: Susan, talking about non-tinnitus issues is a part of the Habituation process. > Going seriously OT here and I've already over-stayed my 'welcome', but to > answer your query... > > If this 'life' or 'reality' is actually a sort of dream (ie. there is _no_ > absolute reality) then if one were to die yet 'God did nothing', this would > hold no more significance than say, awakening from a nightmare. That sounds to me like some poor excuse! > Once you'd > awoken into a higher reality (in this case 'heaven', say) you'd realise > that your friendless death wasn't quite so tragic after all. There might > even have been a lesson to learn, just as there can be from any dream . There is no heaven/paradise etc because it is man's invention, as is all religion, to keep people in a perpetuate state of fear, and therefore be controlled. There is no such thing as a "friendly" death because it is the one thing we all do totally alone - believer, or not. > This isn't a load of wishful thinking and it's grounded in common sense. If > I'm still not getting myself across and you want to debate more, please > suggest a more appropriate usenet group we can go... I shall _definitely_ be > booted out of here now! :( I don't see why you should be booted off Rev - many threads discuss all kinds of things besides tinnitus, though it is best to give the off topic an OT and the subject in the header so that others needn't read them. I would never be converted to your way of thinking though! Ben Thanks for your kindly guidance on usenettiquette, folks. This following post is definitely OT... ===================================== > > If this 'life' or 'reality' is actually a sort of dream (ie. there is_no_absolute reality) then if one were to die yet 'God did nothing', this would hold no more significance than say, awakening from a nightmare. > That sounds to me like some poor excuse! Not an excuse. It's just trying to look at things from a different perspective. And following from an earlier post, it makes much more sense to suppose there are a multiplicity of perspectives rather than just one. > There is no heaven/paradise etc because it is man's invention, as is all religion, to keep people in a perpetuate state of fear, and therefore be controlled. If by this you mean _organised_ religion which is shapes a particular culture, then I agree with you wholeheartedly. Having said that, it could be argued that social control is necessary for cohesive societies - but that's another debate. All I ask is an open mind. > There is no such thing as a "friendly" death because it is the one thing we all do totally alone - believer, or not. In my last post I actually said 'friendless' death... :-) > I would never be converted to your way of thinking though! Which worldview you adopt is entirely a matter for you. However, a dogmatic attitude isn't the way to go - after all that's also what's so objectionable about organised religions. Rev Ben =86=E9=93=BC > What about the big bang theory by Stephen Hawking? Surely no "being" who is > meant to represent love would kill so many of its inhabitants deliberately? What or who is behind the big bag? God has a number of emotions. Not all of them is love and gentleness. > Ben > > > > The existence of the universe is already the proof of its creator, > > which people call God. > > > > FP In addition, if the R_n_R lover had been female, she would demonstrate a high propensity to becoming a member of the Women's Liberation Movement. It does not take much intelligence to figure out the rest of what she will experience in life. In addition, if the R_n_R lover had been female, she would demonstrate a high propensity to becoming a member of the Women's Liberation Movement. It does not take much intelligence to figure out the rest of what she will experience in life. > In addition, if the R_n_R lover had been female, she would demonstrate > a high propensity to becoming a member of the Women's Liberation > Movement. It does not take much intelligence to figure out the rest of > what she will experience in life. Francis, I know you have serious anger issues (really, counselling to control your anger would really help) but do you also have a split personality where a part of you just goes into "stupid" mode? You can say the most stupid things at times and mean it(that's the scary part). frank Truth hurts???? Howard, I did not write that. fypoon did. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >>>Music should be specifically confined to cultured music such as the >>>European classical music, and in this case should not include R_and_R [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >HNG > Howard, I did not write that. fypoon did. Howard was writing about FFL, not EFL. :-) I know Elly. I responded incorrectly. SignatureHNG A Zen Thought: Get a new car for your spouse. It will be a great trade in. Howard N. Gutnick, Ph.D. Body Pride Personal Training BodyPride@cox.net www.BodyPrideOnline.com 757 496-3270 Home 757 630-9208 Mobile > Howard, I did not write that. fypoon did. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >>HNG |
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