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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / July 2005Where is Stephen Nagler ?
where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss what they want to discuss...most selfish > where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " > thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss > what they want to discuss...most selfish Don't be offended by my selfish question, but were you thinking Stephen would offer you free TRT? "Staff" <Staff@Usenet.net> wrote in part: >> where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " >> thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss >> what they want to discuss...most selfish >> >Don't be offended by my selfish question, but were you thinking Stephen >would offer you free TRT? Stephen headed a tinnitus clinic for a few years. Most patients were treated by methods other than TRT. Has Christian mentioned TRT as a goal of his? I have not read all the posts.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml The pulsatile effect is a result of extreme muscle tension - I have had it too. The dizziness is a result of extreme muscle tension - I have had it too occasionally. Find a trusted therapist who will do his job and tell you whether you have tension or not. Until you know for sure you will not take steps to go any further. Doctors do not test in this area. Did your doctor ever feel your neck or shoulder? You have to do your own research. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " >thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss >what they want to discuss...most selfish Chrfistian's thread was: HI Ive suffered from tinnitus for many years ( im 32) and odd episodes of dizziness too ( for months on end at times). i have to say that i blame myself because i suspect i caused the tinnitus etc but listening to music on my walkman when i was young and foolish. It had been at least 4 years since my last episode of dizziness. However, about 7 weeks ago, i started to get a fluttering sensation and thumping sound in my left ear and movement felt in my right. i couldnt sleep, it was very bad and distracting. Then i flew to Mexico and on descent it was quite painful and i was virtually deaf and feeling dizzy... and the next night after the 10 hour flight there was no such fluttering ( ???) but then i was hit by dizziness for 2 weeks and now the fluttering has returned since a day after my return flight and i have the tinnitus too. Whilst i was in mexico, i saw a doctor and he tested me...he said my eustachian tubes were both swollen and this would account for the noise. I should also add that 2 months before all this i had felt blockage in my left ear and maybe maybe very foolishy i had it syringed which didnt seem to make a difference ( and myabe i should have left it because it was probably an infection). So, any thoughts anyone ? > where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " > thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss > what they want to discuss...most selfish What do you expect from Dr.Nagler? His advice is habituation and habituation. What else? Have you visited a doctor yet? Do you have medical insurance? Can you afford to pay? I went through the whole thing you are going through. My cause was in the nerve. You have to ask a doctor to find out what yours is. He can guess, of course. FP > where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " > thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss > what they want to discuss...most selfish #1) People DID respond to your "Desperate" post- You were not ignored. You're convinced your dizziness is due solely to your hearing. #2) Threads do go on different tangents. Fact of life. #3) Somewhat egotistical to expect someone (in this case, S.Nagler) to reply and to wonder why he hasn't responded to your thread- maybe he doesn't even read this ng any longer? #4) It is equally unrealistic to expect someone to give a diagnosis and treatment options concerning complex subjective symptoms without seeing you in person with the results of tests. Floating an idea and/or suggestion is really all can expect from a ng. So even if S. Nagler did respond I don't think that would be the end of your problems. frank OK ELLY. Now you are all giving moe more ideas. Im interested in this idea of muscle tension as a cause. so, tell me what kind of therapist do i need to find. Im in the Uk and there is no such assitance or guidance in that direction here. where do i go, what do i look for ???? HELP !!! > > where is Stephen and why hasnt he answered my query in my " desperate " > > thread. Everyone else has ignored me on that and gone on to discuss [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > frank Try a chiro to have your spine relaxed and then a massage somewhere. There must be some inexpensive massage parlours around in UK. Get a referral to visit a certified acupuncturist and see if it helps. The cause of your tinnitus 'might be' in the nerve. I thought I had already said that: "Find a trusted therapist who will do his job and tell you whether you have tension or not. Until you know for sure you will not take steps to go any further." Find a massage therapist/chiropractor/osteopath. Ask them how they work. Find out if there is tension in the body. Have an initial treatment to reduce the tension. Then look at your lifestyle to see what is causing that tension and correct it. Do you grind your teeth or clench your jaw? If YES see a dentist. And read my website. There are nearly 20 pages on various subjects. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >OK ELLY. Now you are all giving moe more ideas. Im interested in this >idea of muscle tension as a cause. so, tell me what kind of therapist [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> frank It tell you once again the 'socialist' medical system in UK is on the verge of collapsing. That guy could have gone to a private specialist in HK for about US$100 per visit, or a state hospital in China for US$ONE per visit. The waiting in HK is one to two days while in China is instant on the same day. How much does it cost in the US and how many waiting days are there? FP > It tell you once again the 'socialist' medical system in UK is on the > verge of collapsing. Why don't you stick to commenting on what you know about! Judging by a lot of your posts, that is very little. The NHS is the envy of the world, because where else can you be treated free at the point of delivery, instead of it depending on how much money is in your wallet, or bank? When my mother was ill the doctor came out to see her in her own home on several occasions. She had loads of different tests, and taken to hospital by ambulance. She had to stay in a psychiatric ward, and was asssessed and cared for exceptionally well. When she left there to return home, a specialised nurse called in on a regular basis to check on how she was coping. All of this, including medicines, cost her absolutely NOTHING! As she was a state pensioner she would never have been able to afford any of the above had it not been for our NHS. Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. > Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. Beware dr Poon...... christian and BEN are same persson Christian used to troll this group occasionally a few years back. > > Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > Christian used to troll this group occasionally a few years back. So what? So did you. We seem to address the needs of tinnitus sufferers here when we address tinnitus issues instead of characters. Susan Actually, im just someone who is suffering from bad dizziness and looking for some support, guidance and answers. Im virtually suicidal. >Actually, im just someone who is suffering from bad dizziness and >looking for some support, guidance and answers. Im virtually suicidal. The dizziness can be relieved by seeing to the muscle tension. The Swedish clinic finds Meniere's the easiest thing to treat. http://www.yts.se/english/index.htm Email the person from this site. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ Actually, im just someone who is suffering from bad dizziness and looking for some support, guidance and answers. Im virtually suicidal. Actually, im just someone who is suffering from bad dizziness and looking for some support, guidance and answers. Im virtually suicidal. Actually, im just someone who is suffering from bad dizziness and looking for some support, guidance and answers. Im virtually suicidal. Dear Christian, Regardless whether or not what you are going through is real, I would suggest the following. A friend of mine once went through what you described, and he was almost at the point of being suicidal. I am going to answer your question so that those whose suffering is equally real could read this. His name is Brian Tai. He went through what you are going through with tinnitus sound and dizziness. He recovered six months later and is now *totally* rid of his previous sufferings. The method he used was a combination of will power and exercises, with the help of perhaps some medicine. You could write to him and ask him for his survival experiences at briantai26@hotmail.com. Good luck to you, FP I had a purpose and a mission > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Susan > I had a purpose and a mission ROFL Susan what a bunch of losers you are. > what a bunch of losers you are. Yes BEN it takes one to know one lol > > what a bunch of losers you are. > > Yes BEN it takes one to know one > lol What a total bloody idiot you are! I am NOT Christian I can assure you. The only thing we have in common besides T, as far as I know, is we are both British. Ben Yes Christian is obviously BEN. It's OK Ben - dont worry we understand. If you need help Christian this is about the last place on earth to be, with the exception of Elly trying her best. I hope you feel better soon, or that your GP will at least prescribe Betahistine for the dizziness. Ben > what a bunch of losers you are. > Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. Yet another idiotic comment! So, in your opinion the UK should be able to cure T? Hah! Christian would be feeling desperate wherever he lived, moron! He has really bad tinnitus and dizziness and you have been NO help to him whatsoever. The only person on this newsgroup who is actually helpful seems to be Elly - well done Elly! Ben > > Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. > > Yet another idiotic comment! So, in your opinion the UK should be able to > cure T? Hah! So are you suggesting that Christian has more confidence with amateurs like us than the doctors in UK? Hah! He is also trying outloud for Dr. Nagler to come to his rescue. Does it mean that he thinks Dr. Nagler is better than all the doctors he could afford to visit in UK? FP Christian would be feeling desperate wherever he lived, > moron! He has really bad tinnitus and dizziness and you have been NO help > to him whatsoever. The only person on this newsgroup who is actually helpful > seems to be Elly - well done Elly! > > Ben > So are you suggesting that Christian has more confidence with amateurs > like us than the doctors in UK? Hah! He is also trying outloud for > Dr. Nagler to come to his rescue. Does it mean that he thinks Dr. > Nagler is better than all the doctors he could afford to visit in UK? > > FP You and Christian seem to be of one mind, Francis. You tell us. >> Then why is Christian feeling so desperate? He is living in UK. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ben Well, Ben, I guess we "losers" found out how much "Christian" appreciated Stephen not flying to the UK to treat him. Poon, who trolls this and many other groups, loves this sort of thing. It isn't easy to ignore his asinine posts. Currently his tinnitus, if he even has tinnitus, is caused by a "nerve" and he finds relief through acupuncture, massage, ginkgo and sleeping without a pillow. Last year it was caused by his kidneys and he found relief by eating black beans. Before that he found relief through "herbal injections" (picture your pantry) while sitting in a hyperbaric chamber. It has also been related to "somatic discomfort", circulatory problems and mental issues. Poor guy is a mess, huh? Mouth-opening exercise again? "Ben" <mc.tarty@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:OqbGe.5296$SO4.852@newsfe4-win.ntli.net... > > > what a bunch of losers you are. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What a total bloody idiot you are! I am NOT Christian I can assure you. > The only thing we have in common besides T, as far as I know, is we are both > British. > > Ben BEN/CHRISTIAN seriosly mate were here to help you. If your having emotonal problems there is Psichiatrist on the national health. dont get het up now we wanna help, This is a support group > BEN/CHRISTIAN seriosly mate were here to help you. If your having emotonal > problems there is Psichiatrist on the national health. > > dont get het up now we wanna help, This is a support group I am sure Christian being British can also spell! e.g SERIOUSLY EMOTIONAL PSYCHIATRIST Support, my arse! Ben, and not Christian, in fact, I am an atheist. > Ben, and not Christian, in fact, I am an atheist. Therein lies your problem. > Therein lies your problem. Ahh..... I see. I have to be a Christian to be"cured" of tinnitus, eh? What crap! Ben > > BEN/CHRISTIAN seriosly mate were here to help you. If your having > emotonal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I am sure Christian being British can also spell! e.g SERIOUSLY EMOTIONAL > PSYCHIATRIST Can you being British tell if there is a syntax error in what you wrote above? FP > Support, my arse! > > Ben, and not Christian, in fact, I am an atheist. i have to say im sceptical about ELLY's idea about it all being muscle tension. i looked at the Swedish site and that seemed to be more about addressing vertigo, tinnitus caused by pain in the jaw. > i have to say im sceptical about ELLY's idea about it all being muscle > tension. i looked at the Swedish site and that seemed to be more about > addressing vertigo, tinnitus caused by pain in the jaw. Elly means well, but I think her approach is too restricted. Muscle tension, blood supply, nerve issues... all IMO play their part and are susceptible to different approaches in treatment. Dear Christian, You are right that not all tinnitus causes have come from muscle tension. Oftentimes we don't even know what that is. Even your good doctors in UK have no clue, obviously. I am afraid it is going to be a process of trials and errors before you could find out what causes your t. I don't necessarily agree to those who refuse to find out 'why' but just espouse habituation as the only course. You might try what I listed before. If I were you, I would try out 1-2 sessions of acupuncture, chiro, gingko, etc.. Pay close attention to how your t reacts after each one.
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