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cranial re-structuring
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alfred - 17 Jul 2005 09:42 GMT http://www.drdeanhowell.com/
Has anyone checked this out.
Basically they inflate ballons in your sinuses to re align the bones of the skull and get the skull to sit properly on the spine as well as aligning the jaw joints, raising cheekbones etc.
My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue.
Howard Gutnick - 17 Jul 2005 11:43 GMT > Has anyone checked this out. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, > my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue. Being a professional Alfred, I thought it was my obligation to look at this site and I was amazed, amazed I tell you by the remarkable benefits that could result from NeuroCranial Restructuring. For those of you who won't bother looking at this site, here is the list of potential benefits that were listed by Dr. Dean Howell for NCR:
a.. Your face may become more symmetrical.
b.. Broken, crooked and hooked noses can straighten.
c.. Cheek bones may rise to the same level, so you have fashionably high cheekbones without painful and expensive reconstructive surgery.
d.. Your eyes may appear equally proportioned and balanced.
e.. Offset ears could line up so one side of your head does not look higher.
f.. Narrow pinched faces can become fuller and more attractive.
g.. Your mouth may appear even as your lips balance and your smile looks sincere.
h.. Your wrinkles might diminish as your brain expands to its full capacity.
i.. All your facial features can become balanced and more radiant.
j.. Bulges in your forehead may disappear as you skull takes on its natural proportions.
I think Dr. Howell was being needlessly conservative in his predictions, all of which are based on sound physiology. In fact, I think his therapy will have a direct financial effect on plastic surgeons who perform face lists or inject Botox. Who knew that expanding the brain to its full capacity would diminish wrinkles? I think the powerful medical lobby, which we all know is controlled by the high income plastic surgeons, will try to suppress this remarkable therapy. If you wish to contribute as I fight the efforts of the Porsche driving greedy doctors, please send your contributions to me as soon as possible.
Here are a few more reasonable results that Dr. Howell obviously hasn't thought of, but which I see as distinct possibilities:
a.. Your penis will be larger during intercourse and even when not stimulated because the sexual stimulation center of your brain will be increased in pressure. But of course, this only occurs if you are a man. b.. You will be able to perform sexually at least five times a night with only a 10 minute refractory period, also because of the increase of the sexual stimulation center. As you grow older, the effect is even more noticeable with a report of an 80 year old man fathering six children in one night. c.. Your breasts will increase by one full cup size because of the drainage of fluid through the foramen magnum into the chest as the brain expands. But of course, this only occurs if you are a woman. d.. Your IQ will go up by 15 points because your brain expands. e.. You will get a raise at work and will be able to pay off all of your bills because of your increased IQ. f.. Your hair will grow thicker. The reasons for this are too obvious to require explanation. Therefore I won't insult your increased intelligence. Murray, Bruce, Susan, Jim or any one else, aren't there other benefits that you could foresee as a result of this revolutionary therapy? And remember, send in your contributions now. (cashier's checks or money orders preferred in multiples of $100 in good old American money).
HNG
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alfred - 17 Jul 2005 14:28 GMT OK,
This is true.
But everything in the organism is tied, so in a sense what he says is also true.
If the organism is balanced there is more of a chance that the borderline ailments do not exibit symptoms.
And my face has become more asymmetrical, as I was exposed to my current stressful lifestyle.
I was primarily concerned with the re-alignment of the bones in the skull as I am wondering if muscle stress from grinding teeth, nervous expression (I work in a family company) and other stress-related side effects on the skull can actually choke a nerve or two.
Can the bones be re-aligned?
Jim Chinnis - 17 Jul 2005 21:57 GMT "alfred" <acortot@hotmail.it> wrote in part:
>Can the bones be re-aligned? Maybe with a baseball bat. But stress hasn't caused them to be misaligned.
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Larry Lix - 18 Jul 2005 01:45 GMT Yes the bones can be alligned and you will most likely stop grinding your teeth as you jaw will again line up.
> OK, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Can the bones be re-aligned? Howard Gutnick - 18 Jul 2005 02:30 GMT Yes malocclusion certainly can be a problem and can be remediated. But by putting a balloon in your nose and inflating it?
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> Yes the bones can be alligned and you will most likely stop grinding your > teeth as you jaw will again line up. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Can the bones be re-aligned? Bart V - 18 Jul 2005 04:19 GMT >But by putting a balloon in your nose and inflating it? better clip them nails before pickin' though eh...
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Jim Chinnis - 18 Jul 2005 15:21 GMT banjo@SNIPharuteqSNIP.com (Bart V) wrote in part:
>>But by putting a balloon in your nose and inflating it? > better clip them nails before pickin' though eh... A frontal lobotomy is only a rare side-effect, Bart.
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alfred - 18 Jul 2005 06:47 GMT so which is the best way to re-align the bones? balloons or massage?
..and yes, I do have a chronic sinus condition: I haven't been able to breathe properly from my nose since I was 12.
Susan - 18 Jul 2005 16:06 GMT > so which is the best way to re-align the bones? balloons or massage? > > ..and yes, I do have a chronic sinus condition: I haven't been able to > breathe properly from my nose since I was 12. What's causing your breathing problems? Deviated septum, allergies, sinusitis, or all three? Treatment can be as easy as drinking lots of water and using mucus thinners, or using saline irrigation, allergy nasal sprays, or allergic desensitization or all of the above.
I haven't had to realign any bones to get rid of my congestion and sinusitis, but I have had to do most of the above.
Susan
alfred - 18 Jul 2005 18:31 GMT Yes, but if re-aligning the bones will help to eliminate the cause, I'd prefer it since I'm awful maintaining a routine of doing all that.
it makes sense that if the bones are prone to disrupting the equilibrium and the drainage of the sinuses as well as other stuff maybe fixing that may help overall.
Staff - 18 Jul 2005 20:34 GMT > Yes, but if re-aligning the bones will help to eliminate the cause, I'd > prefer it since I'm awful maintaining a routine of doing all that. > > it makes sense that if the bones are prone to disrupting the > equilibrium and the drainage of the sinuses as well as other stuff > maybe fixing that may help overall. Probably the only way to realign your scull is to carefully fracture it, move the fractured segments into the desired position, and hold them in that position until the fractures heal. Same applies to the jaw. The jaw's angle of attack to the scull can be changed ever-so-slightly by having one's "bite" adjusted by their dentist. To accomplish this the dentist may pull teeth, move teeth by forcing them into a new position using tension (braces) over a long period of time, or grinding the surfaces of the teeth to better mesh with opposing teeth or a combination of these.
Such procedures are very expensive, can be painful, and there is no assurance they will have any effect on tinnitus whatever.
Contrary to popular myth, bones cannot be realigned by manipulation over a short term because immediately after such manipulation the surrounding tissue will move them back to their normal position. Long term manipulation that build muscle (or other tissue) will result in modest realignment of bones with respect to one another depending upon the bone. That slight realignment isn't likely to have any effect whatever on tinnitus.
Regular exercise of the muscles in one's back can and will develop them so they more adequately support the vertebrae. Such regular exercise (not massage or manipulation) is probably the most broadly applicable measure to prevent back problems and can even help existing back problems in many cases. Whether or not this will help with tinnitus is unknown. The good news is that these exercises are both free and beneficial to almost everyone.
Susan - 18 Jul 2005 21:53 GMT > Yes, but if re-aligning the bones will help to eliminate the cause, I'd > prefer it since I'm awful maintaining a routine of doing all that. > > it makes sense that if the bones are prone to disrupting the > equilibrium and the drainage of the sinuses as well as other stuff > maybe fixing that may help overall. I don't do "all that" now that my sinusitis is resolved. I just use spray.
If you're determined to have someone blow up your head like a pinata, though, have at it and vaya con dios.
Susan
Murray Grossan - 20 Jul 2005 06:32 GMT On 7/18/05 10:31 AM, in article 1121707864.943568.180120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "alfred" <acortot@hotmail.it> wrote:
> Yes, but if re-aligning the bones will help to eliminate the cause, I'd > prefer it since I'm awful maintaining a routine of doing all that. > > it makes sense that if the bones are prone to disrupting the > equilibrium and the drainage of the sinuses as well as other stuff > maybe fixing that may help overall. If you put a balloon in your nose and inflate it you will get A. a sinus infection B. Adhesions or scars that run from the turbinate to the septum C Probably end up with greater sinus blockage.
As for realigning the bones of the skull you can do what some primitive tribes do and bind the skull of an infant so the skull can't grow normally. Lots of complications form that procedure too.
As for outfracturing the inferior turbinate of the nose, it takes skill and training to do it right. Of course, any idiot can do it wrong.
Larry Lix - 19 Jul 2005 00:14 GMT I haven't tried either. I have had it done via chiropractic cranial adjustment.
My Dentist was astounded in much disbelief, but could not explain how the "perceived" arthritis irritations in my TMJ joints had magically diasappeared from 6 months previous xrays. We discussed having my jaw reset by an oral surgeon but advised against it because of complications down the road from the fracture and open flesg surgery. After 30 years of annoying TMJ pain and problems my jaws no longer make noises, click or get sore for the last twenty years since adjustment. I do not choke on food and get it lodged in my sinuses and get sinus infections 4 times per years either. It was embarassing choking on my own saliva at formal dinner meetings and having to be followed into the bathroom to see if I needed the Heimlich maneuver.
> so which is the best way to re-align the bones? balloons or massage? > > ..and yes, I do have a chronic sinus condition: I haven't been able to > breathe properly from my nose since I was 12. alfred - 19 Jul 2005 12:00 GMT Can you go a little more in depth, regarding the chiropractic cranial adjustment?
Not all chiropractors are the same and I don't know what to expect.
How many sessions? was it hand manipulation? any special tools involved?
Thanks in advance.
Larry Lix - 19 Jul 2005 23:33 GMT It was one adjustment that took about 15 seconds.
This is only done by chiroprators specializing in cranial-sacral therapy!
A tongue depressor was placed in my mouth which I clenched on and pressure was put on my forehead and chin. A lever in the table was kicked and a full table width piece of the table about 1.5 inches (38mm) wide dropped down toward the floor about 1 inch (25 mm).
That's it!
I think he may have done it the next visit also. This lasted me about 15 years until another regular chiro unalligned it for me by excessive force neck adjustments.
I would recommend looking for a masseuse that specializes in sacro-cranial therapy. It is just an hour head rub, from what I have been told by a few very happy ex-TMJ people.
> Can you go a little more in depth, regarding the chiropractic cranial > adjustment? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Jim Chinnis - 18 Jul 2005 00:05 GMT "Howard Gutnick" <bodypride@cox.net> wrote in part:
>Murray, Bruce, Susan, Jim or any one else, aren't there other benefits that you could foresee as a result of this revolutionary therapy? I especially like: "Bulges in your forehead may disappear as you [sic] skull takes on its natural proportions."
That's great since it will of necessity squeeze any of that unsightly "unbalanced" tissue in the frontal lobes. I expect that reshaping the brain into a perfectly balanced form (a sphere would be fantastic!) would correct all sorts of ailments.
Don't you think the cerebellum looks dorky hanging out the back of the lower brain the way it does? It almost resembles a droopy tush.
Maybe reshaping the skull that way would even balance brain functions. No more language center on one side or all those other unbalanced structures and functions. And why should vision be handled in the back of the head, anyway?! NeuroCranial Restructuring should be able to move it behind the eyes where it obviously belongs!
Symmetry!
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Larry Lix - 18 Jul 2005 01:39 GMT Cranial alignment can be done by professional massage therapists or chiropractors specially trained in this field of endeavour.
The balloon technique is used by some Naturopathic and medical specialists to widen the sinus cavities. There was been a reported case of a person's death by the balloon tearing and choking the person to death about 1980 I can recall. I doubt this balloon technique will do anything for cranial alignment. The cranial bones have to be moved slightly for this to happen and no balloon is going to do this.
There are many benefits reported by many people taking this cranial adjustment therapy (no balloon) and I have only heard overwhelming good things from all.
Please ignore the childish idiots here. They love to troll this NG and ridicule things they cannot understand or may contravene their wallet intake. Their depression from being chronically sick causes most of them to want all to suffer along with them.
I, personally, would forgo the balloon thing unless you have severe sinus problems.
Best of luck.
> http://www.drdeanhowell.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, > my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue. Susan - 18 Jul 2005 02:10 GMT > The balloon technique is used by some Naturopathic and medical specialists > to widen the sinus cavities. There was been a reported case of a person's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > adjustment therapy (no balloon) and I have only heard overwhelming good > things from all. From who all? I have (or had) chronic sinusitis for years, and I've never come across any research nor anecdotes in support of this technique. Much safer and simpler to irrigate with saline and a little peroxide.
> Please ignore the childish idiots here. They love to troll this NG and > ridicule things they cannot understand or may contravene their wallet > intake. Their depression from being chronically sick causes most of them to > want all to suffer along with them. Oh, take that sh.t elsewhere. There's no one here trolling or profiting or selling services. You must be in a time warp.
> I, personally, would forgo the balloon thing unless you have severe sinus > problems. I've had severe sinus probs, and I'd still forego it.
Susan
Howard Gutnick - 18 Jul 2005 02:37 GMT Puhleeze, Larry. The claims made for this "therapy" on the website were no more credible than 19th century snake oil sold by traveling "doctors". I was only referring to the claims made on the website, which are total crap. I wasn't referring to any other therapy.
Oh, and I'm no longer in the profession of audiology, so you can also put away that conflict of interest red herring.
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HNG
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> Cranial alignment can be done by professional massage therapists or > chiropractors specially trained in this field of endeavour. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, >> my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue. Larry Lix - 18 Jul 2005 05:09 GMT I doubt anybody could take you seriously after the attack you did in your previous post. I didn't even read the site but I could see your poor attitude towards te owrld has not changed. I can only interpret your post as a troll or a display of complete ignorance. Having seen your previous performances I conclude the latter.
I have no intention of pulling anything out of my hat about you as I have no interest in your profession and never did. The posts speak for themselves and most can see very quickly their validity.
Does this mean you will attempt to contact my ISP again and whine to deaf ears? I believe they are still laughing about it. Do you want me to post it here?
> Puhleeze, Larry. The claims made for this "therapy" on the website were no > more credible than 19th century snake oil sold by traveling "doctors". I was [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, > >> my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue. alfred - 18 Jul 2005 22:44 GMT Read this. seems interesting. http://www.drfarid.com/cranio.html
alfred - 18 Jul 2005 22:53 GMT Here's a quote. stress based tinnitus is caused by imbalances in the endocryne thingamagig, I have read..
"Furthermore, the sphenoid bone has extensive dural membrane attachments within the skull and houses the pituitary gland. Torsions or sidebend lesions will greatly influence the dural tube, spine, sacrum, pelvis and potentially the endocrine system. An occlusal discrepancy as little as the thickness of two sheets of typing paper can be adequate to perpetuate chronic pain. The following case study drives home the significance of this fact"
It is related to dental work.. which caused tinnitus in a person I know, BTW
Staff - 18 Jul 2005 23:06 GMT > Here's a quote. > stress based tinnitus is caused by imbalances in the endocryne [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It is related to dental work.. which caused tinnitus in a person I > know, BTW Since you know this, and since you believe this bone can be re-structured by a dentist, we must conclude this person's tinnitus has been cured. Is this correct? If not, the cause of this person's tinnitus has not been established.
alfred - 18 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT No, His tinnitus came about after dental work.
His father was a doctor, and he tried a lot of different therapy, including hyperbaric with no permanent effect.
I was thinking that a lot of dental tools are built to change the position of the bones of the palate etc, and therefore may have an influence on the skull.
I once read a book of a french dentist who worked in a mental institution, and by re-building the teeth so that they became 'taller' and therfore the byte was not as deep, a lot of these patients calmed down.
so the relationship between the skull and mental or neurological issues was already on my mind, for totally different reasons, by a different doctor 30 years ago?
The pressure on the skull probably does something to the nerve endings in and around the brain.
Peter Larsen - 07 Aug 2005 09:15 GMT
> No, His tinnitus came about after dental work. Quite probable, much of what a dentist does is extremely noisy and will, in my personal experience, temporarily aggravate existing tinnitus. Somehow however I am not really sure that this was what you wanted someone to agree in ... O;-)
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Peter Larsen - 07 Aug 2005 09:10 GMT
> http://www.drdeanhowell.com/
> Has anyone checked this out. On your suggestion I checked the front page of the site. Good for a morning laugh.
> Basically they inflate ballons in your sinuses to re align the bones of > the skull and get the skull to sit properly on the spine as well as > aligning the jaw joints, raising cheekbones etc. May happen, may happen, may happen, nothing about "proven to happen". It does however appear credible that money will be made by the vendor and lost by the people purchasing the services rendered.
May happen is btw. not very credible for the very very simple reason that the cranial bones are fused in adults, "may happen" in the context is a salesmans claim that translates to "will hardly ever if at all happen" when commonly valid wordings are applied.
> My posture ain't great, my sinuses don't drain as well as they should, > my jaw has some misalignment, so this might be a clue. I would have thought that jaw misalignment was a matter for a dentist.
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Murray Grossan - 08 Aug 2005 00:43 GMT On 8/7/05 1:10 AM, in article 42F5C1FE.1F4F5A43@mail.tele.dk, "Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIELD_plarsen@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> Basically they inflate ballons in your sinuses to re align the bones of >> the skull and get the skull to sit properly on the spine as well as >> aligning the jaw joints, raising cheekbones etc. Wouldn't they make more money selling the Brooklyn Bridge to the same people?
Howard N. Gutnick - 08 Aug 2005 00:58 GMT On 8/7/05 1:10 AM, in article 42F5C1FE.1F4F5A43@mail.tele.dk, "Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIELD_plarsen@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> Basically they inflate ballons in your sinuses to re align the bones of >> the skull and get the skull to sit properly on the spine as well as >> aligning the jaw joints, raising cheekbones etc.
Wouldn't they make more money selling the Brooklyn Bridge to the same people?
Probably not. Most people realize that the Brooklyn Bridge isn't for sale. But, cover their eyes with a little anatomical/physiologic flim flam, and wallets get pulled out.
HNG
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