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Brian-K has the best advice for the unsuccessful habituators.

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 12 Jul 2005 22:28 GMT
Brian-K once wrote:"It's also a good way of determining if maybe
something unchecked is wrong if they can't achieve habituation, such as
a pinched nerve for instance."

Those who have failed to habituate should take Brian-K's advice
seriously.  I was in the same situation about a year and half ago and
the problem remained un-resolved until about half a year ago.  That is
to say, I had been suffering for an entire year until I managed to find
out that the reason why I had failed to habituate was due to a pinched
nerve in my spine.

Brain-K points this out in one of his posts.  It shows to me that
either he is a good doctor or he knows more about tinnitus than that 15
'useless' ENT/neurologist/general physician doctors I went to see.

One then would naturally ask: why have all these doctors so unaware of
the phenomenon of a 'pinched nerve'?  The answer to this, in my view,
is that the conventional doctors have been trained to ignore it!  In
the process of protecting their own professional domain, the medical
practioners in the US are trained to ignore what they don't understand
or refuse to understand, and in particular, what does not produce a
profit for them for the simple fact that they have not been trained to
practice how to unwind a pinched nerve.  Even the president of ATA does
not understand or fail to comprehend, letting alone the ordinary
practitioners!

FP
Ben - 12 Jul 2005 22:30 GMT
> Brian-K once wrote:"It's also a good way of determining if maybe
> something unchecked is wrong if they can't achieve habituation, such as
> a pinched nerve for instance."

Does a pinched nerve hurt ?
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 13 Jul 2005 02:33 GMT
> > Brian-K once wrote:"It's also a good way of determining if maybe
> > something unchecked is wrong if they can't achieve habituation, such as
> > a pinched nerve for instance."
>
> Does a pinched nerve hurt ?

In *my* case, the discomfort from a pinched nerve appeared in the
following forms:

(1)a cluster of somatic discomfort moving from side to side.
(2)the tinnitus sound, extremely high pitched, moved along with the
discomfort....from side to side(left to right brain/ear)
(3)It was a brain ring rather than ear ring.  Sometimes the ring
occurred in the centre of the brain at the middle of the night.
Veeeeeeeeeery horrible!!!

I showed the graph, after the check-up, to all my 'high=tech' doctors
in Hong Kong, China and Vancovuer(about 15 of them), none of them knew
a damned thing about it.  I described this in my numerous posts here
about a year ago and Dr. Nagler lectured me on habituation.  Finally I
showed it to an acupuncturist here in Vancouver and she told me right
away that it was the nerve in the second collar of my spine that had
been pinched.  TWO treatments took care of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The acupuncturist told me that seating in front of a computer over a
prolonged time period could produce something like that in some people,
and that she had seen this sort of things before.

Why did none of the 'high-tech' doctors, including the president of the
ATA, know about something like that?  It is because they have been
trained to ignore something outside their monopolized professional
domain.  For them to recommend a patient who they have given up to a
chiro or acupuncturist is as insulting to them as taking off their
pants in public.

FP
Brian K - 13 Jul 2005 14:15 GMT
> Brian-K once wrote:"It's also a good way of determining if maybe
> something unchecked is wrong if they can't achieve habituation, such as
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> not understand or fail to comprehend, letting alone the ordinary
> practitioners!

Well thank you for the kind words, but in all fairness the above
sentence you quoted me on, was brought about from reading  your
articles regarding the subject. I'm certainly no doctor in any way
shape or form. I'm just an average dude whose ears started ringing a
few weeks ago.
I'd say another problem with getting a doctor to dig deep into a
problem is that in today's health care system, they just don't have
the time. Anytime I go to the doctor's office the man always is in a
rush. He still has a boatload of patients to see that day, so he can
only spare so much time for me. I feel that all three of the doctors
I've been to lately (GP/internist, ENT & cardiologist) are good
caring men who are devoted to medicine. The system they have to work
with however sucks. The ENT was able to establish that my tinnitus was
not the result of anything life threatening or seriously harmful. The
cardiologist as well was able to establish that my palpitations and
rapid heart rates were not the result of anything life threatening or
seriously harmful. Now, something is obviously out of whack somewhere
causing both of these problems, and perhaps they're even intertwined.
But since I can live with these maladies, the system considers the time
and effort in pinning down whatever it is a waste of resources.  But
hey, at least I know that I don't have head tumors or heart disease.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 14 Jul 2005 16:02 GMT
> > Brian-K once wrote:"It's also a good way of determining if maybe
> > something unchecked is wrong if they can't achieve habituation, such as
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> and effort in pinning down whatever it is a waste of resources.  But
> hey, at least I know that I don't have head tumors or heart disease.

I think the problem with western medical profession is that the
profession treats the body as departmentalized entity.  The spine may
be too far away from the ear for the ENT doctors to even take a look.

FP
Elly Byrne - 14 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT
>I think the problem with western medical profession is that the
>profession treats the body as departmentalized entity.  The spine may
>be too far away from the ear for the ENT doctors to even take a look.
>
>FP

True.
Also they are only trained in drugs or operations.
How many patients have ever had their doctors FEEL their neck and
shoulders?

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 14 Jul 2005 22:00 GMT
> >I think the problem with western medical profession is that the
> >profession treats the body as departmentalized entity.  The spine may
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> How many patients have ever had their doctors FEEL their neck and
> shoulders?

Well, it is not part of their 'proper' upbringing.

FP

> Elly's Tinnitus Resources
> http://eebee.net/
Staff - 15 Jul 2005 00:13 GMT
> How many patients have ever had their doctors FEEL their neck and
> shoulders?
>
> Elly's Tinnitus Resources
> http://eebee.net/

Mine regularly feels my prostate but she can see my neck and shoulders.
Before each my shoulder surgeries they were examined by x-ray and
manipulated for range of motion and strength.  After the surgeries I
underwent weeks of physical therapy.   None of this had any effect on the
character of my tinnitus.  I also developed an "arthritic spur" at C3
(cervical spine).  A sudden movement snapped it off and it dissolved.  That
experience had no effect on the character of my tinnitus either.
Howard Gutnick - 15 Jul 2005 02:14 GMT
Uh...that was a part of the diagnostic examination for patients who came to
our practice for tinnitus. One of the first things that came to mind was
myofascial pain dysfunction syndrome. Sometimes it was a factor and it was
treated. Other times it wasn't a factor and we used other treatment
approaches.

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 15 Jul 2005 18:58 GMT
Howard,  i am looking forward to your posting more of your experiences
and theories on tinnitus, in order that i could tell you apart from one
of those that remind me of the story in which several blinds were led
to touch an elephant and asked what the elephant looked like.  In this
case, the elephant is tinnitus.

> Uh...that was a part of the diagnostic examination for patients who came to
> our practice for tinnitus. One of the first things that came to mind was
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> 757 496-3270 Home
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