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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2005I think that is an important cause of tinnitus.
About a year and a half ago while i was working in China, i got tinnitus. i later on met two persons who recovered completely from this horrific ill. When asked, they told me that they rushed to hospital for treatment as soon as it occurred. The standard procedure used by the hospitals in China is intravenous injection of blood vessel dilating fluid. That is to say, the Chinese doctors have come to a concensus that the hindered blood flow is at least an important source of tinnitus. What lies behind this theory, in my view, is that a period of oxygen insufficiency to a 'certain' part of our nerve system could trigger tinnitus, which is a warning that something is wrong or not working properly. I am not sure if that damaged part of the nerve system could recover later on due to delay. But one thing is certain; the longer it is delayed, the worse it becomes! Those in ast, both doctors and patients, had better know what they are talking about when they urge people into habituation. Jim Chinnis used to praise the Chinese medical establishment for using habituation well and he even printed out an article to show us. What Jim did not mentioned is that, in that article he posted, the Chinese doctors do apply blood dilating medicine to patients, and they don't just tell the new t patients to go ahead and habituate as if nothing has happened. I think the habituation amateurs in this group have to be careful when they urge their fellow suffers to go into habituation. You are not a doctor and you have not diagnosed the individual cases of your interlocutors'. For you to go online to urge such a practice is really not in the best interests of the other fellows in this group. I wished I had never come to this group in the beginning of my suffering so that I would not have been under the strong influence from people like Dr. Nagler, a good guy but very very dogmatic, who urged habituation to all, and in doing so delayed the time needed to experiment various treatments that other t patients had found useful. Now I am in this group, and thus have the moral responsiblity to inform others as to the limitations of any practice including habituation. FP > About a year and a half ago while i was working in China, i got > tinnitus. i later on met two persons who recovered completely from [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > FP I share your wish, Francis, and wonder why these two, who were initially cured by "herbal infusion in a hyperbaric chamber" (your words) now report having been cured by the likes of Viagra. Something is up. Was their tinnitus objective or subjective? Can you point to any studies confirming that vascular dilators cure tinnitus or is this just another wild story? > > About a year and a half ago while i was working in China, i got > > tinnitus. i later on met two persons who recovered completely from [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > I share your wish, Francis, and wonder why these two, who were initially > cured by "herbal infusion in a hyperbaric chamber" (your words) Herb solution is also one of the blood dilating solutions used in China. The latter can also be synthetic or made from chemicals. They get the injection and some are sent to hyperbaric chamber for additional treatment. Where did I put down liternally "herbal infusion in a hyperbaric chamber"? Are you taking something out of the context? now report > having been cured by the likes of Viagra. Something is up. Was their > tinnitus objective or subjective? Can you point to any studies confirming > that vascular dilators cure tinnitus or is this just another wild story? These methods are used by the European doctors as well. Look up the search engines yourself. I posted them here before. Don't just say anything for the sake of opening up your mouth! > About a year and a half ago while i was working in China, i got > tinnitus. i later on met two persons who recovered completely from [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > to patients, and they don't just tell the new t patients to go ahead > and habituate as if nothing has happened. It's too bad Western doctors aren't as proactive in treating tinnitus. My first course of action when my T first started was to see a board certified ENT, one of the best as a matter of fact. He wrote me an RX for Xanax. > I think the habituation amateurs in this group have to be careful when > they urge their fellow suffers to go into habituation. You are not a > doctor and you have not diagnosed the individual cases of your > interlocutors'. For you to go online to urge such a practice is really > not in the best interests of the other fellows in this group. It was in my best interest. For me habituation was the solution, and reading the experiences of others who found it useful, bolstered my willingness to accept the concept and put it into practice. Of course while reading about habituation, I also read quite a lot about various drugs, herbal remedies, acupuncture, chiropractry et al etc. All of these "remedies" appeared to me to be recommended with just as much emphasis and enthusiasm as habituation was. > I wished > I had never come to this group in the beginning of my suffering so that > I would not have been under the strong influence from people like Dr. > Nagler, a good guy but very very dogmatic, who urged habituation to > all, and in doing so delayed the time needed to experiment various > treatments that other t patients had found useful. To limit oneself to a single course of action, even one prescribed by a newsgroup doctor, is an unwise course of action, needless to say. > Now I am in this group, and thus have the moral responsiblity to inform > others as to the limitations of any practice including habituation. > > FP An intellectually objective reply, i would say. The problem with recommending habituation is that the one that recommends it assumes that other side does not have any other ills associated with the t sound. In my case, i had TWO ills that existed side by side. It was virtually impossible to habituate until I had one removed. It was one that came from a compressed nerve. You went to a doctor and had your symptoms treated and now you are used to the symptoms of sound. Perhaps you might want to go one step further to find out the source of the sound. In my case, it was from the compressed nerve. ========================================= > > About a year and a half ago while i was working in China, i got > > tinnitus. i later on met two persons who recovered completely from [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > FP > An intellectually objective reply, i would say. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > find out the source of the sound. In my case, it was from the > compressed nerve. To give your point its due - Francis, yes, I think tinnitus must have a lot to do with the state of the nerves, as it does the blood supply and also the muscles. Habituation is fine as far as it goes, it's a process of the brain which attempts to adapt to the new situation, but better still if we can treat the underlying causes ! The trouble is, for tinnitus these causes seem so diverse and are often unknown, so habituation is the only thing left. But habituation is no cop-out. What tinnitus we actually 'hear' seems to be a combination of everything down the chain, from the input signal itself, through what other tasks the brain iprocessing, to our emotional reaction to it. Habituation is NOT just a case of "being brave and determined to ignore the tinnitus"; it works at a deeper level than that. It's more to do with what else is going on at the time and how we feel about things (maybe even the state of the nerves? ;-). If we aren't aware of the tinnitus because there are more absorbing things going on, it's as good as not being there at all.... Habituation rocks !! Steve (hard core habituation nut) PS. Re: Ben's view, if the tinnitus is _really_ bad then it it's probably strong enough to _force_ its attention on our consciousness regardless of what else we're doing. But it also works the other way round - feel more relaxed and 'couldn't care less' and the tinnitus tends to get better. Our senses and emotions are connected. What we see and hear in a given situation is affected by what we feel about it. Maybe when someone is really tensed up with tinnitus, a relaxant drug can kick-start the process and a virtuous circle is established. Thanks for the sensible reply. I used to have problem with habituation until the nerve discomfort in my head was removed medically. Thus the practice of habituation needs to be qualified. Some patients like myself used to suffer from more than one ill. The others ills, though independent from tinnitus, were somehow related to it. Without having to have the other ills removed, it was virtually impossible to habituate. And I believe people like Ben might have other ills that need to be treated. Unfortunately, he may not have come across the right doctor. FP > An intellectually objective reply, i would say. > > The problem with recommending habituation is that the one that > recommends it assumes that other side does not have any other ills > associated with the t sound. Can all those recommending habituation really be lumped together like that? I guess I must be outside the circle then, because my advice to anyone with tinnitus is; GO SEE A DOCTOR FIRST. Now, after having gone to a doctor myself, and having received some extensive testing, nothing was discovered which enabled the doctor to be able to pin the cause down. It did however rule out my T being the result of a serious affliction, such as an infection or tumor. Now it could be that my T is a result of something difficult to detect and or not commonly associated with tinnitus. So, maybe somewhere down the road some doctor will finally say "Ah ha! There's the culprit!" But what am I supposed to do in the mean time until that discovery is finally made, suffer? Stuff myself with all sorts of dubious drugs and herbal supplements? Turn myself into a human pin cushion? I chose to except and put into practice the concept of habituation instead to get me through my tinnitus, until that compressed nerve or whatever finally turns up. And what if nothing ever does turn up? What if my tinnitus stays the same no matter how much research and testing is performed? Well, thanks to habituation, it doesn't matter! To me that's fantastic, it's the epitome of being able to "have your cake and eat it too." > In my case, i had TWO ills that existed > side by side. It was virtually impossible to habituate until I had one > removed. It was one that came from a compressed nerve. You went to a > doctor and had your symptoms treated and now you are used to the > symptoms of sound. The doctor I went to didn't treat me at all. He tested me up one end and down the other within the spectrum of his field of expertise, but as nothing tuned up saying "this is what is causing or at least contributing to your tinnitus" there was no cause for him to treat. So instead, the only salvo he had left to offer was to treat the symptom, or more specifically the effects of the symptom on me by way of first Xanax, then if that didn't do it, antidepressants, and if that didn't do it, anti seizure drugs. Yikes! > Perhaps you might want to go one step further to > find out the source of the sound. In my case, it was from the > compressed nerve. The thing is, there's dozens of possible contributors. When I first started checking the list of possible causes for or contributors to tinnitus, the list went on, and on, and on... I got tested for the most dangerous possible causes first, then for the most likely. Beyond that, finding a cause/contributor could be like finding a needle in a haystack. It could be months, or years, or never. Once again, in the mean time, I'm getting by far better than I would have ever believed thanks to habituation. Of course habituation does not work for everyone, nothing in this world works for everyone. But in my opinion it's worth giving a try in the meantime, especially if in the meantime ends up being your lifetime. If someone is a good candidate for habituation, then they should take to it like a duck takes to water. If someone is struggling with or exerting effort to habituate, then that person probably isn't good candidate for habituation. These are just the amateur opinions and personal experiences of an average person, who contracted tinnitus, read about habituation, researched it objectively, was willing and able to accept the concept, and put it into practice. > Can all those recommending habituation really be lumped together like > that? I guess I must be outside the circle then, because my advice to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > what am I supposed to do in the mean time until that discovery is > finally made, suffer? No one here suggests habituation to those who haven't been thoroughly medically checked out for possible causes; in my case, antibiotics initially cranked my T up high enough for me to end up here, then quieted it to nearly nothing most of the time because the cause was/is infectious disease and bacterial die off. In some cases folks have been helped by treatment with steroids or antioxidants immediately upon onset. Other folks have been helped by treatment for thyroid abnormalities. All efforts should be made to identify possible causes and to treat them. When those efforts fail, habituation is the *only* possible course. Brian, thyroid abnormalities can cause all the symptoms you describe here and elsewhere; has yours been evaluated? Susan > No one here suggests habituation to those who haven't been thoroughly > medically checked out for possible causes Really? Then why did the originator of this thread, fyfpoon@hotmail.com write: "The problem with recommending habituation is that the one that recommends it assumes that other side does not have any other ills associated with the t sound." That is what I was responding to. > in my case, antibiotics > initially cranked my T up high enough for me to end up here, then [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > When those efforts fail, habituation is the *only* possible course. For me habituation was the only completely safe and reasonable course to take UNTIL all efforts failed. Just because I'm able to habituate doesn't mean that I don't still have tinnitus, or that I'm not still interested in finding out what is causing my tinnitus, or that I'm not still interested in having that cause treated. What it means is that until the cause is determined (months, years or never) I don't have to be tormented by it day and night in the meantime. And if no cause can be determined? No problemo! Besides, it seems to me that the course of action you're recommending to put habituation into practice as a last resort, would only defeat the possibility of it being effective in the first place. I don't see how one can be simultaneously tormented by and preoccupied with fining a cause for their torment and then after months or years of failure after heart breaking failure be told, "okay, NOW you can try habituating that prolonged agony which has completely taken over your life." Sorry, but I still think the course of action I took, habituating FIRST and THEN (if ever) eventually finding out what the problem is, was the best and only course. Once again, why allow yourself to be tormented in the meantime, if there's something you can do all by yourself to easily, naturally and safely ease or better yet remove the torment? Not the tinnitus, not it's cause, but the torment associated with it. > Brian, thyroid abnormalities can cause all the symptoms you describe > here and elsewhere; has yours been evaluated? I surely have, and unfortunately my thyroid is perfectly healthy. I say "unfortunately" jokingly because that would've been a nice easy quick fix. >>No one here suggests habituation to those who haven't been thoroughly >>medically checked out for possible causes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that recommends it assumes that other side does not have any other ills > associated with the t sound." That is what I was responding to. I dunno why he writes most of the stuff he posts. > For me habituation was the only completely safe and reasonable course > to take UNTIL all efforts failed. Just because I'm able to habituate [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > into practice as a last resort, would only defeat the possibility of it > being effective in the first place. I explained my point badly. In discussing habituation here, we've typically, over the years I've been on this group, been talking about folks who've had severe, intrusive tinnitus a long time with no relief and no treatable cause found. You're correct that whether they continue to pursue other causes and/or treatments or not, habituation, whether spontaneous or taught, is very valuable. > I don't see how one can be > simultaneously tormented by and preoccupied with fining a cause for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > naturally and safely ease or better yet remove the torment? Not the > tinnitus, not it's cause, but the torment associated with it. No argument. Some folks can't habituate on their own, though, and some don't have the resources to seek professional habituation assistance. > I surely have, and unfortunately my thyroid is perfectly healthy. I say > "unfortunately" jokingly because that would've been a nice easy > quick fix. I understand exactly what you mean. :-/ Susan I ain't sure who wrote this: > > I surely have, and unfortunately my thyroid is perfectly healthy. I say > > "unfortunately" jokingly because that would've been a nice easy > > quick fix. Susan stupidly replied: > I understand exactly what you mean. :-/ I was diagnosed with hyperthyroid last year - made NO difference to my tinnitus whatsoever, so just count yourself lucky you ain't got anything wrong, except for T. Brian K prates on somewhere that T is not a life-threatening disease. Disease it may not be, but life-threatening it most definitely IS! I have seriously considered suicide several times this year, but having put up with the dratted noise for 14 and a half years, well, I might as well carry on, though sadly many others have not. Even Beethoven seriously considered suicide, and no wonder. Ben > I ain't sure who wrote this: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ben It's always a delight to hear from you, Ben. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Susan Ben Dover, the eternal optimist. :-) > It's always a delight to hear from you, Ben. Thanks! And, it is good to know you can't cope with a genuine argument Ben > I ain't sure who wrote this: > > > I surely have, and unfortunately my thyroid is perfectly healthy. I say [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > well, I might as well carry on, though sadly many others have not. Even > Beethoven seriously considered suicide, and no wonder. Actually Ben, I was hoping that my thyroid was the cause of the cardiac anomalies that keep sending me to the hospital. But I know of course it's not going to be that simple or that minor. As for tinnitus being life threatening as compared to cardiac arrest, the main difference as I see it, is that suicide is something that one has control of. A person must decide to commit suicide, and then follow through with it, usually following their own predetermined method. Cardiac arrest gives one no choice. One can't decide if it's going to happen or not, or when, or where or how. That aside Ben, I realize that you're living in torment and I'm moved by your situation. I truly wish that there was something that I or someone here could do to effectively help you. I still feel Ben, that your attitude though quite understandable, is perhaps in reality your greatest problem as it seems to be a major obstacle in you obtaining that relief that you seek. >I ain't sure who wrote this: >> > I surely have, and unfortunately my thyroid is perfectly healthy. I say [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Ben I agree this (syndrome or whatever you call it) can be dangerous to one's life. The last few days I've been so tormented by it I've wondered if the coclea can be removed. Yes, yes, I know it can't without causing a lot more problems. I've also considered pencils in the ears to make it stop. I'm not at that point, but I'm just saying I can see how someone could go over the edge with this. Suicide or not, I feel my life is coming to a dead stop because of it. How can I learn more about habituation? I'm trying to learn as much as I can about all options. I find any of them preferrable to the ones I've thought of the last few days. I will make an appt. with my ENT, but that usually takes a while. He's aware of my condition, but has really not offered anything except suggesting I look into hearing aids at this point. Surgery may be an option in the future, for him. I want to try other things first. I decided a few days ago I've had enough of this and am embarking on a very low salt diet. I don't know if it will help, but I must try something, anything. If my post seems rather unworthy to you, please don't be too hard on me about it. I'm not use to chatting this way and I am in torment at the moment so am unable to think clearly. Thanks for any advice you can give me. I will consider all but not do all. Not at the same time anyway. :) Debora > I agree this (syndrome or whatever you call it) can be dangerous to > one's life. The last few days I've been so tormented by it I've [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Debora I felt the same way when I first posted here; the turbo jet engine roar in my head was controlling my life. In my case, infectious disease was the cause, and high dose antibiotic treatment caused the temporary roar, then quieted it. Have you had a very thorough medical exam and history, with infectious diseases consultation? I don't know your age, but many perimenopausal women also report tinnitus, so it's clear that thyroid and other hormonal status can cause or affect it. If you google up this group for "habituation for dummies" you'll find a very useful post by a long time poster here that may help you. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Susan Hi Susan, I have no confidence at all in my general physician. I haven't had confidence in the last four. I go to Vanderbilt, which is professed to be a top notch hospital, but I've not been pleased at all. They are a learning hospital and that can be good or bad. Not so good when you are on low income insurance. Who will suffer with one more dead poor person, eh? The physician I have now never links two things together and prescribes without looking at my records to see what I can and cannot take. That has become my job after leaving her office. Then it takes another visit or two before it is all straightened out. There is little I can do about it though, unless I can leave this county or state. I do see an endocrynologist who is much better. The way Vanderbilt is slotting those of us on TennCare though, I will likely lose him. A clinic is all they deem suitable for us. I have hypothyroidism and a pituitary tumor, but those are being treated with meds and all is leveled out there. My age is 46. I was diagnosed with Meniere's at 35. I'm sure I've had it longer than that, but the tinnitus finally drove me to the ear doctor at that age. I've had balance problems for longer than I can remember. They tested me for Meniere's in my early 20s, but were unable to make a diagnosis because of the test they used and an eye condition I have. I think my dad may have Meniere's as well. It led to him falling off a 10 foot drop at a bridge construction site. The fall broke all the bones in his ears so he can no longer hear. I will ask him if he can here the tinnitus next time I see him if the situation is right, meaning my mother is not around. :) Thanks for the google search phrase. I am just horrible when it comes to using the right words to search by! :) What sort of doctor would I need to see to get the infectious diseases consultation? Maybe if I twist my physicians arm high enough, she will send me to one, or perform the tests herself if that is in her field. :) She's the one with the power to refer. And...sorry if I sound so bitter about Vanderbilt right now. I'm still getting over the blow of them deciding I need to go to a clinic just as I was about to have a partial hysterectomy. I wasn't looking forward to going under the knife as it was, but now it will be with a different doctor (and resident). Debora > Hi Susan, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Debora Don't be sorry, I've been disappointed by many physicians in the same ways you describe, and often at academic medical centers. It's very frustrating, I'm sure, when you don't have as much freedom to shop around as you'd like. The doctor you want a workup from would be a specialist in infectious diseases. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >Susan Oh goody. She wouldn't send me to a Lyme's specialist when there was good cause to. I doubt she will send me to this specialist either, until I'm breaking her arm that is. lol :) Thanks for this information. Debora x-no-archie: yes > Oh goody. She wouldn't send me to a Lyme's specialist when there was > good cause to. I doubt she will send me to this specialist either, > until I'm breaking her arm that is. lol :) > > Thanks for this information. > Debora I wouldn't get your hopes up too much, even if she does send you. Academic docs flunk the clinical Lyme disease test, and any doc in a non-northeast state thinks there's no tick diseases in his region. :-/ Still, it's worth a shot to see if any of the various TBDs show up in your blood. Often they don't, even though they are present. Susan Sorry to hear about your distress Debra. Everyone here will agree that surgery will not cure the problem. Removing the cochlea will not remove the tinnitus. An ENT unfortunately is not much help either. Can you find an audiologist who understands tinnitus? Where do you live so someonecan point you in the right direction. Please read http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml for lots more information about the subject. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >I agree this (syndrome or whatever you call it) can be dangerous to >one's life. The last few days I've been so tormented by it I've [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Debora Hi Elly, The ENT I see is some sort of specialist. I can't remember what sort and have lost (misplaced while cleaning) his card. He is an audiologist too I believe, or has one in the office. When I see him, I actually spend more time with the audiologist, if that is what they are. I will call his office and find out though and, if not, I will have my doctor refer me to someone who is. I live in Nashville, TN, but any doctor I see has to be a Vanderbilt doctor (or clinic). I've no way around that while I live here due to my insurance. I've already been reading some things from your web site. It is very helpful. I've bookmarked it. Thanks for your kind words. Debora >Sorry to hear about your distress Debra. Everyone here will agree that >surgery will not cure the problem. Removing the cochlea will not [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >>Debora 14 years ago I had severe tinnitus too. My first relief came from a visit to a chiropractor. After his treatment the sound went for a few days. But I hadn't realised what the cause was, so it came back. Although not as severe as before. It took me years to realise that it was due to tension in the neck and back muscles. Mind you I had never felt any tension, but it was there just the same. Several massage therapists had told me about the tension but I had not realized the significance. Back in those days there was even less known about tinnitus than there is now. I suggest that your first call is to a massage therapist - anyone that you know you can trust. That should relieve some of the tension. That will also confirm that the tension actually exists. You need to be aware of it. Then you can start dealing with it. Stretching exercises. Look at your life and find out what is not helpful to good posture. Do you do a lot of computing? Do you spend a lot of time on the phone? You are the only one who can answer that. So neck exercises, relaxation techniques etc. You can make your own sound CDs. There is a lot of information on http://eebee.net/sound/sound.html about that. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >I agree this (syndrome or whatever you call it) can be dangerous to >one's life. The last few days I've been so tormented by it I've [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Debora Hi again, I do have a lot tension in my neck and back, to the point it is very noticable. I use to see a massage therapist, but have not been able to since becoming unemployed. We were friends at one time. Maybe he still feels we are and will allow me to pay for treatments over time. Something else to put on my "To Do" list. :) He has allows rid me of the tight muscles before. I don't know how much the tension may cause tinnitus in my case, but I'm sure it has to at least be a trigger. I have been spending much more time on the PC of late, since deciding I've got to find out everything I can about tinnitus and Meniere's. :) I should have done this years ago before it got this bad. I do think salt has a lot to do with it also and it seems I've become very sensitive to it over the years. High pitched sounds and music can set it off as well. I've found that the white, pink, and other color noises are bad. Rather than masking, they make the pitch in my ears louder. TV can trigger the tinnitus because of the music that is constantly present throughout movies. I have to be selective about when to listen to music. I do take a water pill, and that helps along with a sodium restricted diet. I read a post last night where someone said they do a stretch by pulling their shoulders down and pushing the top of their head up towards the ceiling. Could have even been you. I started doing that today. Almost passed out the first time I did it. Don't know why. It wasn't really all that painful. I could definitely feel the tight muscles though. I will try anything that is not potentially harmful and who's ever been harmed by a little exercise? :) I don't know if it is helping the tinnitus but it definitely makes my neck feel better. I spend very little time on the phone. I seemed to have developed a phobia of the thing somewhere along the line. :) Thanks for your posts here and throughout the newsgroup. So many of them have been helpful to me. Debora >14 years ago I had severe tinnitus too. My first relief came from a >visit to a chiropractor. After his treatment the sound went for a few [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >>Debora Brian wrote:"If someone is a good candidate for habituation, then they should take to it like a duck takes to water. If someone is struggling with or exerting effort to habituate, then that person probably isn't good candidate for habituation." Exactly! Why has it been so difficult for the group to understand? The simple minds in ast seem so dichotomized into two camps: those for it and those against it. Dr Nagler used to belong to the former and he lectured harshly on people who demonstrated difficulty in habituation, and in doing so delayed the time preciously needed for the patient to seek medical help. Yes, MOST doctors don't know how to treat tinnitus! I used to assume that the doctors in the US were better ones than the ones in poor countries. Now I am convinced they are just about as puzzled as others when it comes to this ill named tinnitus. The only differenceis, while the ENT doctors in poor countries just make a living practicing medicine, the US ones are driving Porche. FP > Brian wrote:"If someone is a good candidate for habituation, then they > should take [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > FP What a bunch of crap. Prove it, Staff! Don't just say something in order to show that you 'know'. It is a bad habit cultivated all the way from high school. >> An intellectually objective reply, i would say. >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > read about habituation, researched it objectively, was willing and able > to accept the concept, and put it into practice. Well said, Brian. I've been visiting this group for seven or eight years now. I cannot think of anyone here who ever promoted TRT or do-it-yourself habituation who didn't also recommend a thorough examination by an ENT to rule out an acoustic neuroma or, for that matter, any underlying cause of tinnitus. Like you, having habituated my tinnitus I'm not of a mind to waste my money on acupuncture or to take drugs with potentially harmful side effects. Have you tried those you deem money and time wasting? Or are you doing your month-opening exercises again?
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