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SQUEALER - 31 May 2005 15:06 GMT
hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??   all
the  time

 there is no hope for us .  habituacion is Wishfull Thinking by fools

Squealer
Butch Magee - 31 May 2005 21:00 GMT
>hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??   all
>the  time
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>  

Yes it ssqueelz.  And mine also chirps along with all the normally
abnormal sounds.  But the squeelzzzzzz and the chirpzzzz are by far the
worst for me because they are the loudest.  Down at the lowest end of
the spectrum (volumn) pings and tickzzz do give me some slack.  Odly,
the other night, early am what ever I was aware that I was awake and as
soon as I recognized this the screamings started up.  Does this mean
that the ringing, pinging etc. doesn't occure during sleep?Butch
Jim Chinnis - 31 May 2005 21:29 GMT
Butch Magee <lynyrd@cableone.net> wrote in part:

>Odly,
>the other night, early am what ever I was aware that I was awake and as
>soon as I recognized this the screamings started up.  Does this mean
>that the ringing, pinging etc. doesn't occure during sleep?

I think it means that you search for it when you wake up.
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Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

fyfpoon@hotmail.com - 01 Jun 2005 19:21 GMT
Butch:  it means the blood circulation is hindered somewhat.  When that
happens at night, try to take away the pillow and lie flat for a while
and see if there is a difference.
Dave - 02 Jun 2005 05:17 GMT
Tinnitus is definitely related to consciousness.  It's a brain thing.  As I
have woken up, I have been aware of a measured, large increase in T volume,
which goes against theories of diminished blood volume during sleep causing
relatively "more" loudness in the morning.

But then again, it's relative.  In the theater watching Star Wars the other
night, I heard my Tinnitus during the loudest moments of the film.  And yet
walking out of the theater, even though the "loudness" was the same, it was
not louder than a cranked up theater sound system.

Does anyone have anectodotal evidence of ginko being effective?

Dave

> >hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??   all
> >the  time
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> soon as I recognized this the screamings started up.  Does this mean
> that the ringing, pinging etc. doesn't occure during sleep?Butch
Susan - 02 Jun 2005 14:51 GMT
> Tinnitus is definitely related to consciousness.  It's a brain thing.  As I
> have woken up, I have been aware of a measured, large increase in T volume,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dave

I know of a couple of Lyme disease patients whose tinnitus improved with
ginkgo use, but that's all.

Susan
Brian K - 02 Jun 2005 16:08 GMT
> Does anyone have anectodotal evidence of ginko being effective?
>
> Dave

Plenty of anecdotal evidence regarding the effectiveness of ginko to
quell tinnitus can be found buy accessing the archives of this
newsgroup. The two biggest controversies I've seen so far, is that
there are too many variations of ginko, and more importantly, there's a
lot of anecdotal evidence as well that it causes bleeding problems.
That being said, there are a lot of tinnitus sufferers who swear by it.
Ben - 31 May 2005 23:58 GMT
Hi Squealer,

At least I am lucky because I can, and do, have a few odd quiet days, and
no-one knows why, least of all me!   I felt a bit cross about "habituation"
because those who keep advocating it for all seem to be such show-offs, and
if their T doesn't bother them, then what are they doing on here, I ask?
They also have a tendency to make me feel inadequate for not being able to
ignore my T, when in truth, it isn't ignorable - it is either squealing, or
it isn't - full stop!   I do think we have to try and persevere with
anything that helps and even do things which can distract us, however bad we
are feeling.  I know how hard this is, but the alternative is death - no
wonder many choose that.

Ben

> hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??   all
> the  time
>
>   there is no hope for us .  habituacion is Wishfull Thinking by fools
>
> Squealer
Staff - 01 Jun 2005 03:38 GMT
> Hi Squealer,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Ben
Ben, as long as you refuse to habituate your tinnitus you won't.  We hang
around here because we have been where you are now and want to help.  Have
you noticed we are the only ones who aren't trying to sell you something?
SQUEALER - 01 Jun 2005 10:55 GMT
No BEN at least I think the others try to help and RU not being a bit of a
w.nker here??  Im not a clever guy meself soif theyve gor rid if there T
then maybe they can tell us how they did it....even if it dont work always
THats the point. There trying to help  Just as DR Poon is with his remedys.

Squealer

> Hi Squealer,
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> >
> > Squealer
Ben - 01 Jun 2005 11:34 GMT
How can they "help" ?  No-one tells you what to do!  They just boast that
they don't "notice" the pig-squealing sounds, which is ridiculous, so it is
they who are the w.nkers?  If anyone makes a T sufferer feel inadequate,
then they ain't helping, but adding to the problem!

Ben

> No BEN at least I think the others try to help and RU not being a bit of a
> w.nker here??  Im not a clever guy meself soif theyve gor rid if there T
> then maybe they can tell us how they did it....even if it dont work always
> THats the point. There trying to help  Just as DR Poon is with his remedys.
SQUEALER - 01 Jun 2005 11:59 GMT
Yer but there TRYING to help. U dont even lissen to them. They mean well but
All U do is INSULT THEM !!!

Squealer

> How can they "help" ?  No-one tells you what to do!  They just boast that
> they don't "notice" the pig-squealing sounds, which is ridiculous, so it is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > THats the point. There trying to help  Just as DR Poon is with his
> remedys.
Brian K - 01 Jun 2005 21:07 GMT
> How can they "help" ?  No-one tells you what to do!  They just boast that
> they don't "notice" the pig-squealing sounds, which is ridiculous, so it is
> they who are the w.nkers?  If anyone makes a T sufferer feel inadequate,
> then they ain't helping, but adding to the problem!
> Ben

Ben, nobody on this newsgroup told me what to do either. I read
articles on the internet regarding habituation (or Tinnitus Retraining
Therapy). I did this by putting words like "tinnitus" and
"habituation" etc. into a search engine (Google) and by clicking
onto some of the links provided in the Google archives of this
newsgroup. That is how I learned all about habituation. Have you done
any of that? No? Why?
If you're not receiving any  support here and we're only supposedly
interested in belittling you as you claim, then why are YOU still here?
Eh?
Brian K - 01 Jun 2005 20:39 GMT
"hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??
all
the  time
there is no hope for us .  habituacion is Wishfull Thinking by fools"

Squealer
-----

It seems the reason why tinnitus is such a problem for you and
"Ben" et al, is because you are so absolutely hell bent determined
for it to be one.

Want to know another method of taking your mind off tinnitus besides
habituation? Try heart trouble. I've been to the emergency hospital
twice this week thinking I was having a heart attack. I have chronic
accelerated heartbeat, tightness in the chest and tingling in my left
arm (seeing a board certified cardiologist today). Now THAT is a REAL
problem! Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!
Skycloud - 01 Jun 2005 21:22 GMT
> Want to know another method of taking your mind off tinnitus besides
> habituation? Try heart trouble. I've been to the emergency hospital
> twice this week thinking I was having a heart attack. I have chronic
> accelerated heartbeat, tightness in the chest and tingling in my left
> arm (seeing a board certified cardiologist today). Now THAT is a REAL
> problem! Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!

Fair comment !   Good luck and take care.

Steve
Brian K - 02 Jun 2005 04:35 GMT
> "hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??
>  all
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> "Ben" et al, is because you are so absolutely hell bent determined
> for it to be one.

Let me rephrase by saying ONE of the problems why tinnitus is such a
problem for some is because they seem determined for it to be one.

I'd also like to say, as many others toting habituation have, that it
doesn't work for everyone. There is NOTHING in this world that works
for EVERYONE.
But for someone to go on and on disparaging the practice and referring
to those who have had some success with it as fools, w.nkers, [insert
pejorative here] etc. Plus spouting off about it being impossible or
unrealistic is plain WRONG. If I had come into this newsgroup and read
some of that crappola and actually took it to heart, I'd probably
still be in torment. If you have researched the concept of habituation,
and have come to the objective conclusion that it doesn't work for
you, then try saying something like "I've given habituation my best
try, but it didn't work for me. I'm glad that others have had
success with it, but I'm simply not a candidate, what else can I
try?"

Thank you.
Larry Lix - 02 Jun 2005 16:33 GMT
What the hell are you doing here in this superstress environment then?

Are you suicidal? Like to tempt fate? Just want to prove it can't happen to
you?

Take your damn magnesium supplements and step away from the keyboard fool.

> "hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??
>  all
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> arm (seeing a board certified cardiologist today). Now THAT is a REAL
> problem! Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!
Brian K - 02 Jun 2005 20:43 GMT
> What the hell are you doing here in this superstress environment then?
> Are you suicidal? Like to tempt fate? Just want to prove it can't happen to
> you?

Larry, this is not a stressful environment, it's only text on a
computer screen.

> Take your damn magnesium supplements and step away from the keyboard fool.

I love you too Larry.

> > "hey BEN and doctor Poon. U R RIGHT tinitus SQUEEEEEEEEELS doesnt it??
> >  all
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > arm (seeing a board certified cardiologist today). Now THAT is a REAL
> > problem! Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!
Ben - 03 Jun 2005 00:03 GMT
> It seems the reason why tinnitus is such a problem for you and
> "Ben" et al, is because you are so absolutely hell bent determined
> for it to be one.

What a load of bullshit!  I am totally gobsmacked that you could even think
to write this to a SUPPORT group, let alone actually do so.

> Want to know another method of taking your mind off tinnitus besides
> habituation? Try heart trouble. I've been to the emergency hospital
> twice this week thinking I was having a heart attack. I have chronic
> accelerated heartbeat, tightness in the chest and tingling in my left
> arm (seeing a board certified cardiologist today). Now THAT is a REAL
> problem!

And?  THAT CAN BE TREATED?

Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!

This CAN'T be treated - get it?  Thought not - blimey!

Ben .
Brian K - 03 Jun 2005 03:45 GMT
> > It seems the reason why tinnitus is such a problem for you and
> > "Ben" et al, is because you are so absolutely hell bent determined
> > for it to be one.
>
> What a load of bullshit!

Is it, or are you in denial?

> I am totally gobsmacked that you could even think
> to write this to a SUPPORT group, let alone actually do so.

Ben, so far you've displayed a predilection towards blasting any
support offered you and attacking so many people who have taken time
out to offer you support.

> > Want to know another method of taking your mind off tinnitus besides
> > habituation? Try heart trouble. I've been to the emergency hospital
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> And?  THAT CAN BE TREATED?

It's a considerably more serious problem than tinnitus. Tinnitus
never made anyone drop dead, or worry about dropping dead from having
tinnitus. There are far worse and scarier things in this life than
having tinnitus. That doesn't keep tinnitus from being a horrible
affliction for some, but at the same time it puts things into better
perspective.

>  Oh, golly and my ears are ringing too, BIG DEAL!!
>
> This CAN'T be treated - get it?  Thought not - blimey!

So you're saying that you'd gladly trade in your tinnitus for a bad
heart? Ben, come on now...
And tinnitus CAN be treated, not cured mind you, but it most definitely
can be treated.  Of course your attitude seems to be CAN'T! CAN'T!
CAN'T! Which brings us back to my original appraisal of the attitude
you've displayed so far of being determined for your tinnitus to be a
problem, rather than something that can be treated.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 26 Jun 2005 21:52 GMT
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> > I am totally gobsmacked that you could even think
> > to write this to a SUPPORT group, let alone actually do so.
>
> Ben, so far you've displayed a predilection towards blasting any
> support offered you and attacking so many people who have taken time
> out to offer you support.

Ben may be suffering from ills other than tinnitus.  Tinnitus is but a
symptom of something not going right.  If you could accept this
possibility, you would realize that 'support' to him is in essence
re-inforcement to walk further into the wrong direction.

About a year and half ago, I started describing my symptoms in this ng,
the only person that ever expressed his suspicion of what I was
experiencing was Jim Chinnis, and he was right on.  I was suffering
from an ill other than tinnitus.  Now that ill is cured, what is left
is the t sound which is very tolerated.  Ben may be going through
similar sort of thing.

Dogmatism is destructive!  Unfortunately, this intellectual ill is very
rampant amongst even the professionals.

FP

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