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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / May 2005What causes a sudden increase?
I have relatively mild T in my left ear. I can only hear it in a relatively quiet room. Sometimes though, like last night, for no apparent reason it'll get really loud, then a couple of minutes later fade away to normal levels. I haven't done anything different, but that happens sometimes. Anybody know why? jmc > I have relatively mild T in my left ear. I can only hear it in a > relatively quiet room. Sometimes though, like last night, for no > apparent reason it'll get really loud, then a couple of minutes later > fade away to normal levels. I haven't done anything different, but > that happens sometimes. Anybody know why? OK...listen to me carefull but do check with your doctor(S). When my t first started, it was more or less a small t. But the t burst into a big t soon. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone for intravenous injection of blood vassel dilator fluid or take vassel dilator tablets before the thing got bigger. That was what my doctors in China told me and that is how they treat their patients. The reason why I did not do it was because of the school of habituation in this group, and the false science of all sorts of micky mousy 'controlled' studies. You may check with *your* doctor on taking gingko biloba. It works for *some* people.........and never mind all that micky mousy controlled studies cited around here. FP > jmc > You may check with *your* doctor on taking gingko biloba. It works for > *some* people.........and never mind all that micky mousy controlled > studies cited around here. > > FP Once again, ignorance and superstition triumphs over science and technology! Staff, Stay ignorant. OK? Suddenly, without warning, fyfpoon@hotmail.com exclaimed (5/16/2005 10:17 PM): >>I have relatively mild T in my left ear. I can only hear it in a >>relatively quiet room. Sometimes though, like last night, for no [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > FP Thanks, but that's not what I asked. If that had been there for a long time in your case, that would be fine, but if been a short term, i would suggest you had better make sure it won't mushroom. And go to see a chiro too to get your spine relaxed. You ain't "habituated" to it, apparently! No matter what I have said - even that I want to die - I still have to "habituate", yet I see a post from Susan where she writes that she had an infection which caused hers, or was it the anti-biotics - I dunno, but she "habituated" to it. You sound like me - it is either there, or it ain't - full stop! Somehow we have to imagine it isn't really there - you know, like black is white, or vice-versa. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, unless you "habituate". My tinnitus was noisy when I woke up this morning, and it didn't get any better - I lay down, and this evening it got worse, and now it isn't so bad, and it has bugger-all to do with "habituating" - it has simply varied throughout the day. . It seems to me that there are so many different types of T, and many of us suffer different things, and in different ways, and "habituating" will not work any better than anything else for everyone, if at all. . Ben > I have relatively mild T in my left ear. I can only hear it in a > relatively quiet room. Sometimes though, like last night, for no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > jmc On 5/16/05 3:18 PM, in article g%8ie.3775$Nt.583@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net, "Ben" <hand.knitter@ntlworld.com> wrote: > You ain't "habituated" to it, apparently! No matter what I have said - > even that I want to die - I still have to "habituate", yet I see a post from [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So we are on vacation and naturally I asked for a room with an ocean view so I could hear the waves. Instead there were kids on 3 wheelers running up and down the sand day and night. Sounded like a motor cycle running a block away. I could have identified this as a "bad". Then I would have had an adrenalin outpouring. Remember we are designed to be aroused by "enemy sounds" to fight and flee. But I simply chose to identify the sound as a "Not a bad" and spared the adrenaline reaction and the anxiety reinforcement. I consider this a kind of habituation or cognitive therapy. I really must try "habutating" then LOL! Ben Suddenly, without warning, Ben exclaimed (5/16/2005 11:18 PM): (top posting fixed) >>I have relatively mild T in my left ear. I can only hear it in a >>relatively quiet room. Sometimes though, like last night, for no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>jmc > > You ain't "habituated" to it, apparently! No matter what I have said - > even that I want to die - I still have to "habituate", yet I see a post from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ben Actually, I'm fairly habituated. Hardly notice it, unless the room's real quiet, or those occassional times when it gets temporarily louder. Oh, and whenever I post to this NG, I notice it :) Geez, all I wanted to know is what the cause is when T temporarily increases. I may have to leave this NG, there seems to be less and less actually useful posts. ::sigh:: The noise here is louder than the one in my ear... jmc > Actually, I'm fairly habituated. Hardly notice it, unless the room's > real quiet, or those occassional times when it gets temporarily louder. > Oh, and whenever I post to this NG, I notice it :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > jmc Tinnitus is such a variable condition and is literally unique to everyone that it's hard to say in your situation why your "T" temporarily increases. My spikes are due to trigers such as sudden,unexpected noise(s), strenuous exercise, and increases in stress among others. Other times, my "T" spikes for no good reason(ie. no apparent triggers). Don't know if this helped any- but the answer may be that there is no good answer in your case. frank Why is there no good answer for jmc? you might as well have said that you don't have the answer yourself, realizing how limited your knowledge of t is. > Why is there no good answer for jmc? Because there isn't. As I stated, there might be something that "triggers" his temporary spikes but it could be just random "firing". What about this don't you understand. fypoon: you might as well have said that > you don't have the answer yourself, realizing how limited your > knowledge of t is. I did say it. I've never claimed to be an expert in this condition. Even the "experts" don't have the answers. What is it about tinnitus that makes certain people act irrational and/or become stupid?? That may be one you could answer with authority. frank You are showing through your disguise. > I did say it. I've never claimed to be an expert in this > condition. Even the "experts" don't have the answers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > frank Francis, our run-of-the-mill troll, has numerous personas here Larry. Humor him. > You are showing through your disguise. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> frank Sometimes he is DrFrank (francis) and sometimes he is somebody else? I think that is what I said. Thanx > Francis, our run-of-the-mill troll, has numerous personas here Larry. Humor > him. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >> > >> frank > Sometimes he is DrFrank (francis) and sometimes he is somebody else? I think > that is what I said. > > Thanx And sometimes in a ng more than one person may have a similar/same name . frank > You are showing through your disguise. And what disguise is that?? This is beginning to appear like the twilight zone in here. frank Suddenly, without warning, drfrank21@gmail.com exclaimed (5/18/2005 6:34 PM): >>Actually, I'm fairly habituated. Hardly notice it, unless the room's > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > frank Frank, Thank you for your answer. I was hoping for something more definitive, but like so much in life, often there just isn't. Ah, well. I'm going to look into chiro and acupuncture when I get back to the US. , which isn't until next year. Think I can live with it until then. jmc > I'm going to look into chiro and acupuncture when I get back to the US. > , which isn't until next year. Think I can live with it until then. If you have the spare cash, why not do it NOW! There are plenty of acupuncturists and chiropractors in the UK - they just charge a lot of money, which I suppose they do in the States? I believe in some areas of the UK acupuncture is available on the NHS these days though Ben . On 5/23/05 1:19 PM, in article _Uqke.12953$WQ3.4102@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net, >> I'm going to look into chiro and acupuncture when I get back to the US. >> , which isn't until next year. Think I can live with it until then. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ben . Habituation is: You are designed to respond instantly to danger. You are resting and the twig snapping is a danger and so the adrenaline, etc gets you ready to fight. BUT you don't do this when the leaves rustle, that is not a "bad". Once you LEARN that the T is not a bad, you don't get that former reaction and if it doesn't affect your body adversly then it is an awareness like the leaves rustling. If you call $25-$35 Canuck per session expensive, then so be it. > If you have the spare cash, why not do it NOW! There are plenty of > acupuncturists and chiropractors in the UK - they just charge a lot of > money, which I suppose they do in the States? I believe in some areas of > the UK acupuncture is available on the NHS these days though > > Ben . > Suddenly, without warning, Ben exclaimed (5/16/2005 11:18 PM): > (top posting fixed) Huh??????? > Actually, I'm fairly habituated. Hardly notice it, unless the room's > real quiet, or those occassional times when it gets temporarily louder. > Oh, and whenever I post to this NG, I notice it :) Why are you on here then? If you are "habituated" then thank Dog for small mercies. I only notice mine when it is making a noise, whether I am on here, or not, or whether I am in a quiet or noisy room, or any-bloody-where! . > Geez, all I wanted to know is what the cause is when T temporarily > increases. I have been asking this for a long time, but there doesn't seem to be anyone who can answer it. I doubt any medical doctor can either, because they don't even know what it is, or where it comes from. Mine can be non-existent on odd occcasions, and I have absolutely NO idea why, and nor does anyone else :( > I may have to leave this NG, there seems to be less and less > actually useful posts. ::sigh:: The noise here is louder than the one > in my ear... Oh, you should have been on here when the lovely Martin and and Yoli were at it!!! You ain't seen nothing yet. :) Ben Suddenly, without warning, Ben exclaimed (5/18/2005 8:36 PM): >>Suddenly, without warning, Ben exclaimed (5/16/2005 11:18 PM): >> (top posting fixed) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > here, or not, or whether I am in a quiet or noisy room, or any-bloody-where! > . Just because one is used to something, doesn't mean they don't want to learn, or perhaps find a cure. It was just curiosity, really. I didn't realize there was enough people with this problem to support the creation of a newsgroup. What I seem to have discovered, though, is that T causes irritability, at least in usenet posters :) jmc > >>Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (5/16/2005 11:18 PM): > What I seem to have discovered, though, is that T causes irritability, > at least in usenet posters :) I would bet a few thousand pounds that tinnitus causes a great deal of irritablilty throughout the entire world! Ben > I would bet a few thousand pounds that tinnitus causes a great deal of > irritablilty throughout the entire world! > > Ben It certainly has caused it's share here, Ben. Nobody likes being told there is no cure. Some years ago ENTs were the object of much scorn at a.s.t. for telling people to "learn to live with it" when the reality is that one must somehow learn to live with something that cannot be cured. People do, however, adjust. Amputation can't be cured but most amputees adjust. I have friend, paralyzed from the waist down since an accident at age 18, who today holds a commercial pilot's license and operates heavy equipment on the family farm during the summer. He has a degree in accounting and operates a successful accounting firm during the winter. When I think about my tinnitus, especially my reaction to it early on, I'm ashamed for not putting my problem in perspective earlier. Those ENTs should be praised for not filling their patients with false hopes for some miracle cure and for not wasting their patient's money in the process. Yes, some failed to help their patients learn to live with it and that is regrettable. We have a couple who visit this group and do what they can,. Sometimes they are the object of ridicule born out of the sort of frustration you describe. *Some* t cannot be cured, especially those that stay too long before getting the appropriate treatment. I know of TWO persons that were completely cured! They went for treatment as soon as their t had been discovered. I myself went to see doctor a bit too late due to the silly suggestion that there is no cure. There may not be a cure for old timer t patients but there definitely is treatment that can help them, and your habituation is but *one* of them, and in my experience not a very good one for me! > *Some* t cannot be cured, especially those that stay too long before > getting the appropriate treatment. I know of TWO persons that were [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > them, and your habituation is but *one* of them, and in my experience > not a very good one for me! As I recall we asked you to put us in contact with these two about a year ago, Francis. Still waiting..... Who are *you* to ask people should be in contact with you? I posted the name and telephone number of one person and a doctor here said he is going to give him a call when he attends a medical conference in China. You obviously did not take note.
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