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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2007Followup Tinnitus questions
Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some simple questions I hope someone can answer. My last thread strayed off topic a little bit---but lots of useful information: 1. My Tinnitus has seemed to increase in pitch after I had an MRI on my chest. It was a closed MRI so I was fully in the tube. I wore earplugs as well. The "sound" did not seem loud to me. I wish I had a db rating of those machines. I have heard everything from 100-130db. Has anyone heard of Tinnitus getting worse after an MRI while earplugs are worn? Or is this coincidence and me just thinking about it more which causes me to think it is worse? I went and got a hearing test after this just in case. It was perfect--had not change since a year ago. So I can probably be very sure I was not exposed to a duration of noise which would lead to hearing loss. In fact even my Cochlea echo tests were perfect--same as they were last year. 2. Do you have to be exposed to noise over 85db for Tinnitus to get worse? Maybe certain frequencies below 85db or something? 3. Can Tinnitus just change on its own without any external factors? Ie noise exposure, etc. I was always told no--the "damage" will not get worse but your brain can perceive it to be worse, better, etc. I going crazy and ready to jump out a window. I have had this for at least 10 years. I got very very used to the noise. But now this change is killing me. I have always been so very cautious to any noise exposure. I wear earplugs in the movie theaters, when walking in downtown where I work(lots of buses, sirens, jackhammers, etc). So I am very very mad at myself trying to figure out what I got exposed to(if anything) to invoke this change. The only that matches up is the MRI. This new "change" is such a high pitch it is very hard to drown out. Before my Air Purifier was very good at drowning out. This high pitch eats right through it. Thanks! Signed, Very Depressed I had a precautionary MRI for Tinnitus that I swore made it louder. Fortunately, I was able to realize that it was my own fears creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anxiety can affect Tinnitus like that. > Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over > the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Signed, > Very Depressed On 3/16/05 11:01 PM, in article 113iaqucev1pv2d@corp.supernews.com, "Tom" <thildick@easystreet.com> wrote: > I had a precautionary MRI for Tinnitus that I swore made it louder. > Fortunately, I was able to realize that it was my own fears creating a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> Signed, >> Very Depressed Just when you think you have the answers: My patient whom I have treated and measured re tinnitus had two MRI the other day, same day. One for shoulder and one for back. Now her tinnitus is gone. Go figure. Jeff, Get another MRI! quick! :-) > On 3/16/05 11:01 PM, in article 113iaqucev1pv2d@corp.supernews.com, "Tom" > <thildick@easystreet.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > other day, same day. One for shoulder and one for back. Now her tinnitus is > gone. Go figure. haha....not with my luck. >Just when you think you have the answers: >My patient whom I have treated and measured re tinnitus had two MRI the >other day, same day. One for shoulder and one for back. Now her tinnitus is >gone. Go figure. Well I guess something shifted in her muscular/skeletal system. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ ELLY BYRNE, WILL YOU PLEASE STOP! > Well I guess something shifted in her muscular/skeletal system. > > Elly's Tinnitus Resources > http://eebee.net/ I am realy sorry you feel so depressed Jeff. I have never had a MRI scan as I have had T for 14 years and it was assumed the T was a side-effect of my hearing loss. Like you, my T has got worse recently, and the high-pitched pig-squealing noise ain't easy to live with. My T has got worse due to me having hearing aids about 3 years ago which had not ben adjusted to my hearing loss, so they let in all kinds of noises I didn't need! What with being "diagnosed" with hyperthryoid ( caused solely by stress and my blood tests are fine now!) having my dear old dog put to sleep, study worries, my mother dying very suddenly - well, I was glad to get out of 2004! However, when I relax I nearly always feel bad! January this year was a nightmare T-wise, then February not quite so bad, now it is on and off - some days not too bad, others the pigs are still squealing. I am lucky that I can lie down, especially on my left side, and the T goes completely quiet (not as I can lie down all day!) and I sleep really well. Anyway, enough of me - I would think the MRI caused you excessive anxiety and this in turn has exacerbated your T. I think you could do with some help from ENT, or a doctor, and do try and relax. I know trying to relax drives you crazy, but I am sure it does help, eventually. I sincerely hope your depression lifts soon. Best wishes, Ben > Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over > the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some > simple questions I hope someone can answer. My last thread strayed off > topic a little bit---but lots of useful information: "Darth Jeff" <darthjeff@gmail.com> wrote in part: >Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over >the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >would lead to hearing loss. In fact even my Cochlea echo tests were >perfect--same as they were last year. I believe that Jack Vernon (Oregon Health Sciences University) has mentioned reports of tinnitus after MRIs that seemed unexplainable by noise exposure. >2. Do you have to be exposed to noise over 85db for Tinnitus to get >worse? Maybe certain frequencies below 85db or something? All data on hearing damage from noise exposure are statistical. The standards are designed to protect most, but not all people. There are no comparable data pertaining to tinnitus, though most people feel that tinnitus probably has a similar dependence on noise exposure. The vast majority of people would not have any hearing loss from less than 8 hrs a day of >85 dB noise. I think I got that right, anyway... >3. Can Tinnitus just change on its own without any external factors? Ie >noise exposure, etc. I was always told no--the "damage" will not get >worse but your brain can perceive it to be worse, better, etc. Most tinnitus does not appear to be from noise damage, though it is hard to prove. >I going crazy and ready to jump out a window. I have had this for at >least 10 years. I got very very used to the noise. But now this change [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Before my Air Purifier was very good at drowning out. This high pitch >eats right through it. Well, you are very likely to adapt to it again, just like before. But that takes time. You might want to talk with a tinnitus-knowledgeable audiologist about different masking or partial-masking strategies. >Thanks! >Signed, >Very Depressed If you are really very depressed, you might need to see a physician for that.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over > the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Signed, > Very Depressed I have significant improvement by using a combination of the drugs Neurontin and Klonopin. Perhaps it will work for you. > I have significant improvement by using a combination of the drugs > Neurontin and Klonopin. Perhaps it will work for you. That's excellent that you've found some relief, Dave. But as s/o who has taken Klonopin (sold in Canada as Clonazepam or Rivotril), I want to speak up about the extreme issues that can occur with benzodiazepine withdrawal. You may be aware of this already, but in case not.... Benzos (Klonopin, Valium, Xanax, Ativan etc.) were never intended for long-term use. Millions of people around the world are placed on these drugs by their physicians and just kind of left there without appropriate information about the drug. Only when side effects (cognitive impairment, memory loss, the list goes on and on) or withdrawal symptoms occur do people realize how powerful these drugs are. Not everyone gets these symptoms over the medium- long-term, but many do. Tinnitus itself is a clinically proven benzo withdrawal symptom for some people. (Which seems to fit with T being incredibly complex and there being no real one size fits all solution - yet.) I speak from experience about Clonazpeam. I was absolutely shocked when I learned about benzo withdrawal and side effect. Beleive me, it's not been an easy ride getting off Clonazepam and I'm not quite there yet. If Klonopin under the use of a knowledgeable physician helps you in the short-term, excellent. I just think people should be aware that these are not innocent, trivial medications that should be taken indefinitely or even longer than for a few weeks, except in extremely rare cases. Elly gave some excellent advice about relaxation techniques as a powerful tool to deal with T. Personally, I do those and use sound masking CDs, which helped me instantly and ongoing. I also consulted with a great audiologist trained in TRT. Believe me, I wanted a magic bullet. But when I found there wasn't one for me, I tried a bunch of stuff till I found some things that helped. Here is some information about benzos and Klonopin: The Ashton Manual by Dr. Heather Ashton, probably the world expert on benzos and withdrawal. The College of Pharmacists of British Columbia was the first regulatory body in the world to see it and immediately sent copies to every pharmacy in British Columbia in October 2000. The Ashton Manual is now promoted in the College of Pharmacists of British Columbia Bulletin: http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm Klonopin withdrawal and tinnitus: http://www.answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=485272 I hope this is useful to you and others, Davis. Forewarned is forearmed. I wish I had been. >> I have significant improvement by using a combination of the drugs >> Neurontin and Klonopin. Perhaps it will work for you. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > I hope this is useful to you and others, Davis. Forewarned is forearmed. > I wish I had been. Thank you for your concern. I will surely take it under advisement. To calm yourself try the following: Many people use their sofa and TV to help them 'switch off and relax'. In reality, television programs can suspend you n stress for yours, with depressing or thrilling storylines, violence and madness! True relaxation is achieved when all tensions and thoughts are eliminated. Inside, you are calm, peaceful, yet alert and focused. You are in control and feel the strength of just 'being'. The good news is, anyone can do it. The aim is not to escape from stress momentarily for a 'breather', it is to develop the ability to maintain normal breathing and heart rate, so that you can stay calm and in control, in any given situation. All you need is between 5 and 20 minutes of personal time to slip away somewhere quiet 1. Switch off your phone, ask others not to disturb you 2. Sit or lie comfortably 3. Just as if you were switching off all the lights in a huge supermarket at the end of the day, switch off all your thoughts 4. Close your eyes - the darkness is soothing 5. Now focus on the sensation of your breathing, feel the rise and fall of your inhale and exhale, listen to the air coming in and out of your body 6. Feel how your body feels 7. Don't try to alter your breathing, it will change naturally as you sink deeper into the experience 8. If thoughts slip into your mind, gently bring your awareness back to your breathing This is all you need to do to relax your body and mind. It's THAT simple. To really benefit you need to practise this 'breathwork' on a daily basis. After a few days of using this simple technique, you should begin to feel the rejuvenating powers of true relaxation. After a few months - broader benefits will become apparent - improved health, improved relationships, better concentration and memory. But don't stop there! With practice, it is possible to achieve this feeling of peace and calm at any time, enabling you to remain focused and composed even under pressure. Staying calm in a stressful situation is like having night vision when the lights go out - you have a great advantage! (c) Copyright Kim Beardsmore Kim is a successful weight loss coach who will cut through the diet- hype and help you reach your goal weight. No public 'weigh-ins', meetings that cost you money or fads...simply results you will love! Free consultations. Visit: http://tinyurl.com/6tv8s Are you interested in earning money from home? We can help you grow a profitable home business: http://tinyurl.com/4qle5 - Please feel free to publish this article, free of charge with the Author's Biography, URL and links intact and working. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over >the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >Signed, >Very Depressed You wrote:"3. Can Tinnitus just change on its own without any external factors? Ie noise exposure, etc. I was always told no--the "damage" will not get worse but your brain can perceive it to be worse, better, etc. ..." After you have tried all the high-tech methods and the best (and most expensive) doctors in the block, if nothing works out, try the following: (1)Take a tablet of gingko biloba in the morning and a tablet of betahistine after dinner. (2)Go for one acupuncture treatment and see how you feel. If nothing happened, go to another specialist after about a week and see if anything clicks. (3)Go for a couple of chiropractic treatment and see how you feel. (4)Use a lower pillow when you sleep. When you find something that works, still to it for a loooooooooog time. FP yes!!!! acupuncture cut my T in half, but the sooner you go, the better it works. Go anyway! TRT made it worse and cost a couple of thousand dollars...wasted money. > (1)Take a tablet of gingko biloba in the morning and a tablet of > betahistine after dinner. Anyone heard of an homeopaty treatment? > (3)Go for a couple of chiropractic treatment and see how you feel. > (4)Use a lower pillow when you sleep. I read somewhere that T could be in some cases caused by nerves tensions in the neck. What do you mean by lower pillow? thank you. stéphane (1)I found that sleeping with a low pillow or without a pillow helps blood circulation in the head. (2) Tinnitus in *some* cases have to do with nerve or kidney deficiency and not much with the inner ear. (3)Gingko thins the blood while betahistine helps the circulation of inner ear fluid. In HK, betahistine is sold OTC. Gingko has been, of course. Go try (1). http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >> (1)Take a tablet of gingko biloba in the morning and a tablet of >> betahistine after dinner. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >thank you. >stéphane almost any "machine" type noise makes my T worse, whether it is loud or soft. "real" noises, like normal voices, happy children playing, music I like; does not make it worse. being tired makes mine worse; as does sugar, aspirin, aleve and maybe more things that i don't try. i take no medications and cannot tolerate gingko. i really have not seen a difference by avoiding caffeine. sleep is my biggest help, but acupuncture cut it in half over 8 years ago. it has been about the same since. i refuse to have an MRI. many hyperacute people say it caused their ear damage. beware of everything. do your research. many medications and treatment make T worse. God Bless You, Lyn I feel for you and know the feeling. My T gets works for weeks on end for no reason, and any shift makes me tend to assume it means it is getting worse. I notice that a visit to the chiropractor tends to get things turned around. Maybe it's real (that I believe), maybe it's placebo, but I don't care, since it brings real results for me. Hold on there. > Ok ladies and gentlemen,,,,my Tinnitus has officially pushed me over > the edge. So to calm myself and to try to actually start sleeping some [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Signed, > Very Depressed > > 1. My Tinnitus has seemed to increase in pitch after I had an MRI on my > > chest. It was a closed MRI so I was fully in the tube. I wore earplugs [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > would lead to hearing loss. In fact even my Cochlea echo tests were > > perfect--same as they were last year. Is there any evidence or do others experience worse T when exposed to high frequencies that may or may not be loud? It seems to make mine worse. Its like its a trigger. > > 3. Can Tinnitus just change on its own without any external factors? Ie > > noise exposure, etc. I was always told no--the "damage" will not get [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Before my Air Purifier was very good at drowning out. This high pitch > > eats right through it. The last thing you want to do is drown it out. If you stumble upon a solution you won't know it if you are squashing the symptoms. Many people are finding heat on the neck that probably relaxes the neck muscles is effective. If so, that would indicate that, at least in some people, neck stiffness, for whatever reason, exasberates the problem. First get your neck limber. One of the worst situations for the typical human neck is leaning a little forward for hours at a time looking at a computer screen that is positioned too low. Probably a position like an astronaut would be better. Just varying your position as often as possible would be great too. But its hard to remember when you get caught up in work.
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