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Ear syringe and tinnitus - link?

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Peter P - 26 Feb 2005 15:25 GMT
My doctor is very reluctant to syringe my ears regularly (they need doing
every few months) because of a suspected link with tinnitus.  Regular
syringeing, he says, is suspected of causing tinnitus.

Has anyone heard this before, please?  Or do any present tinnitus
sufferers have any views?
Murray Grossan - 26 Feb 2005 19:13 GMT
On 2/26/05 7:25 AM, in article
MPG.1c8aa534f90510709896bc@news.individual.net, "Peter P"
<peterpurves@easy.com> wrote:

> My doctor is very reluctant to syringe my ears regularly (they need doing
> every few months) because of a suspected link with tinnitus.  Regular
> syringeing, he says, is suspected of causing tinnitus.
>
> Has anyone heard this before, please?  Or do any present tinnitus
> sufferers have any views?

If the syringing is done traumatically the ear can be damaged, but if it is
done properly thare is no association.
forte agent - 28 Feb 2005 22:48 GMT
>My doctor is very reluctant to syringe my ears regularly (they need doing
>every few months) because of a suspected link with tinnitus.  Regular
>syringeing, he says, is suspected of causing tinnitus.
>
>Has anyone heard this before, please?  Or do any present tinnitus
>sufferers have any views?
The only thing i know that if you get your ears to clean they will
start to itch, never heard of it causeing tinnitus.
Laurie Prior - 09 Mar 2005 14:55 GMT
>>My doctor is very reluctant to syringe my ears regularly (they need doing
>>every few months) because of a suspected link with tinnitus.  Regular
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>The only thing i know that if you get your ears to clean they will
>start to itch, never heard of it causeing tinnitus.

Doctors have been fairly evenly divided for years on whether or not to
syringe and I have been doing my own since about 1972.   Periodically
if there is a build-up of wax that Otex type drops (mild hydrogen
peroxide) or Olive Oil will not soften and remove then the only way to
get rid of the wax is syringing.   Some methods are much safer than
others.

Recently I went to my audiologist to have an acoustic feedback whistle
attended to in the right ear digital hearing aid.  He discovered the
problem was caused by a large plug of wax that I didn't know I had let
accumulate.  I didn't have the usual symptoms of clicking and varying
deafness.  The waxt had partly darkened indicating that it had
hardened and stuck to the wall of the ear-canal.   This was causing
the sound to bouncing back off the wax and prevent much of it from
reaching the drum.   So I went home and syringed my own ear and
removed the wax very gently.  This is something that I don't recommend
anyone trying unless they are fairly dextrous with their hands.   I
have to use water at blood temperature ( 98.4 f) otherwise it can
upset the semi-circular canal temperature and make you dizzy as hell
and is dangerous.  
You can also upset the canal temperature if you over force the water
in at too much pressure and this is why I think it's dangerous to
allow someone else to syringe your ears if they're going to use the
forced water technique.  How do they know where your pain tolerance is
and hence your damage barrier?  They don't and not all of those on the
business end of the syringe are sufficiently sensitive to do it.
Some people naturally thump a piano keyboard and others carress it
without having to be shown.   Some people just don't know when they're
being brutal.

Now our local GP has a newer technique not forcing water in at all,
and he and his nursing staff, use very slight suction in a narrow pipe
placed in the ear and the suction created by a little automatic device
that only ever sucks to a certain safe level. No pain and very
efficient in operation.  The ear-canal is not sealed off and there's
no danger of sucking your brains out through the device either !  It
does however, very gently remove the wax.  

The problem was solved by my own self administration but in answer to
the person who said your ears itch when made too clean - they
shouldn't do.  You can't over clean the ear canal, unless you go
cleaning to the point of causing inflammation.  
New secretions begin immediately you clean it anyway.  It's important
to put some drops in; either olive oil or proper ear drops to
lubricate it just after cleaning.  Place a ball of sterile cotton wool
in for a few hours and then expose the ear to the outside air
gradually by removing the cotton wool for a few hours at a time
especially if the outside air temperature is very cold.
No itching should occur unless you have an infection or have
a skin condition.

I don't know why I'm telling you all this, I'm not a doctor but my
brother is and I know that many doctors think that self treatment is
often a very good thing, if the patient is enlightened and bothers to
study the details of what they're doing and why, because nobody knows
you like you know yourself.  
Elly Byrne - 09 Mar 2005 19:46 GMT
Hi Laurie,
Haven't heard from you in ages.
Very interesting post.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

SNIP

>Doctors have been fairly evenly divided for years on whether or not to
>syringe and I have been doing my own since about 1972.   Periodically
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>study the details of what they're doing and why, because nobody knows
>you like you know yourself.  
Elly Byrne - 01 Mar 2005 19:40 GMT
>My doctor is very reluctant to syringe my ears regularly (they need doing
>every few months) because of a suspected link with tinnitus.  Regular
>syringeing, he says, is suspected of causing tinnitus.
>
>Has anyone heard this before, please?  Or do any present tinnitus
>sufferers have any views?

If your shoulder muscles tense up during the procedure - this is what
might cause the tinnitus.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
Laurie Prior - 09 Mar 2005 16:42 GMT
>If your shoulder muscles tense up during the procedure - this is what
>might cause the tinnitus.
>
>Elly's Tinnitus Resources
>http://eebee.net/

I forgot to say that when the wax had built up there was a noticable
increase in tinnitus.  It fell back to the normal level when the wax
was removed.

Also the wax caused ear ache.  Sufficient to need to take a pain
killing tablet and then the moment the wax was removed there was no
repeat of the ear ache at all.

So the presence of debris particularly wax can indeed cause tinnitus
as a side effect.  I don't think it is a creator of permanent
tinnitus, it's just a response to the pressure on the drum caused by
the wax if that wax is sufficiently hard as a kind of plug. It then
consititues and behaves like a foreign body rather than just ear
secretions which are natural.
deut6 - 24 Mar 2005 22:39 GMT
i do not have much ear wax, so this cleared too much wax and made me
hear too much!  but, i did ear candling.  ear candles are wax coated
cloth cones.  one takes an aluminum pie plate, cuts an x in it to make
a shield in case ashes drop down, insterts the cone thru the plate and
into the ear canal (lying on ones side and having someone else do the
lighting etc. is best).  then the top of the cone is lit on fire.  the
heat pulls wax out of the ear with centrifugal force.  it is gentle and
soothing.  there should be better directions on the net or with the ear
candles.  they are usually found at health food stores.  i would do at
least 2 if not 3 per ear.  you should see all the wax that comes out!
Elly Byrne - 25 Mar 2005 21:05 GMT
You are lucke it did not make your T worse.
For many people it is a dangerous practice.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>i do not have much ear wax, so this cleared too much wax and made me
>hear too much!  but, i did ear candling.  ear candles are wax coated
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>candles.  they are usually found at health food stores.  i would do at
>least 2 if not 3 per ear.  you should see all the wax that comes out!
Jim Chinnis - 25 Mar 2005 22:02 GMT
"deut6" <deut6_4_10@yahoo.com> wrote in part:

>i do not have much ear wax, so this cleared too much wax and made me
>hear too much!  but, i did ear candling.  ear candles are wax coated
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>candles.  they are usually found at health food stores.  i would do at
>least 2 if not 3 per ear.  you should see all the wax that comes out!

The wax that is produced is from the candle.

A lot of ear-candlers end up burned and at their doctor's office.
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Murray Grossan - 26 Mar 2005 08:32 GMT
On 3/25/05 1:02 PM, in article v0v8411vnt1do0upl9qsg1bpno2cqvq1j6@4ax.com,

> "deut6" <deut6_4_10@yahoo.com> wrote in part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> A lot of ear-candlers end up burned and at their doctor's office.

Ear Candling is good - for the ENT doctor's income!
Jim, don't go discouraging ear candling - I need the business I get from the
burned ears, the extra wax from the candle that fills the ear. Candling is
GOOD for my income.
deut6 - 26 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT
i did set my hair on fire once. :)) but really, the wax from the ear
candle is a totally different color.

it is a good idea to make the pie pan shield and keep  water handy.  if
someone drips wax in their ear and burns it too, they have to be one
clueless critter who did not read and follow directions.
Murray Grossan - 27 Mar 2005 07:03 GMT
On 3/26/05 1:15 PM, in article
1111871755.022574.296630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "deut6"

> it is a good idea to make the pie pan shield and keep  water handy.  if
> someone drips wax in their ear and burns it too, they have to be one
> clueless critter who did not read and follow directions.

Really? So how come each ENT doctor has seen dozens of burns?? The wax you
see is actually candle wax.
deut6 - 28 Mar 2005 00:02 GMT
i dunno, i will have to ask a local doc if the same is common here.  as
for the wax, i can tell what it is by the color, texture, and smell.
it is not only my hearing that is hyperacute.  that being said, with
less wax, my hearing was even more acute and ouch!  i don't want
waxless ears. :))
blank - 21 May 2005 13:17 GMT
"deut6" <deut6_4_10@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111964543.634297.113370
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> i dunno, i will have to ask a local doc if the same is common here.  as
> for the wax, i can tell what it is by the color, texture, and smell.

dont forget the taste test too.

> it is not only my hearing that is hyperacute.  that being said, with
> less wax, my hearing was even more acute and ouch!  i don't want
> waxless ears. :))

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