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Internal Carotid Artery kinked

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Hank Schokker - 25 Aug 2003 11:56 GMT
I have just been diagnosed with this problem diagnosed as a result of
pulsate tinnitus noises in my head.

What is this and is it dangerous

Jackie S
Stephen Nagler - 25 Aug 2003 14:27 GMT
>I have just been diagnosed with this problem diagnosed as a result of
>pulsate tinnitus noises in my head.
>
>What is this and is it dangerous
>
>Jackie S

..................

Jackie, the internal carotid arteries are tubular structures that
carry blood to the brain.  There is one on each side.  (The vertebral
arteries also carry blood to the brain.)  As a result of age,
atheroslerosis, trauma, or pathological condition of the wall of the
carotid artery, it can "kink" (bend).  Some degree of kinking is
within the norm.  Problems can arise when the kinking is severe enough
to cause turbulence in blood flow or predispose to increased plaque
build-up.  Significant kinks can increase the potential for stroke.

Treatment can involve nothing at all (if there is no appreciable
turbulence or atherosclerosis) - to anti-coagulants - to surgery.
Which treatment (if any) is appropriate for you depends on numerous
factors - to be reviewed with your doctor.  It's also a good idea to
consider a second opinion.

Regarding your tinnitus, pulsatile tinnitus and carotid kink can be
seen in the same individual without the kink causing the pulsatile
tinnitus.  There are tests that can give you a pretty good idea if
they are causally related.

Hope this helps.

smn
ENTconsult - 25 Aug 2003 16:33 GMT
As Dr Nagler pointed out, any kink or alteration of blood flow can set up a
turbulence that allows you to hear a "new sound" which is your own circulation.

This is always a difficult concept for the patient. Sometimes we have to tell
the patient not to do anything because the circulation is essentially OK.
You need to work closely with your doctor to be sure you really understand
what's going on. It is not a good idea to imagine the worst.
Of the last 3 patients I had with this condition - objective pulsatile
tinnitus, they did fine once they fully understood their condition.
You will get a great deal of misinformation reading about this. Your case is
individual and can only be described by your own doctor.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
Martin - 25 Aug 2003 17:56 GMT
>You need to work closely with your doctor to be sure you really understand
>what's going on. It is not a good idea to imagine the worst.

Thank you, Muzzy, for adding to Nagler's commentary which could have
scared the crap out of Jackie.

Oh, and you didn't need to advertize.

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John Goddard - 26 Aug 2003 22:15 GMT
Say the pulstaile tinnitus was subjective, not objective as in this case.
Would that make a difference to the severity/possible severity of this
condition.
Thanks - john
> As Dr Nagler pointed out, any kink or alteration of blood flow can set up a
> turbulence that allows you to hear a "new sound" which is your own circulation.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> http://www.ent-consult.com
> http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
Hank B Schokker - 27 Aug 2003 03:42 GMT
Thanks Guys for your input. It helped put me at ease and I am curious as to
how prevalent this is and are there any medications such as anti-coagulants
that would help abate the noise aspect of the infliction.

Jackie

> As Dr Nagler pointed out, any kink or alteration of blood flow can set up a
> turbulence that allows you to hear a "new sound" which is your own circulation.
Stephen Nagler - 27 Aug 2003 04:19 GMT
>Thanks Guys for your input. It helped put me at ease and I am curious as to
>how prevalent this is and are there any medications such as anti-coagulants
>that would help abate the noise aspect of the infliction.
>
>Jackie

...............

Jackie, anti-coagulants are *occasionally* indicated in carotid kinks
under certain circumstances if there is felt to be an increased risk
of stroke.  They do not improve tinnitus - regardless of whether or
not the tinnitus is due to turbulence caused by the kink.

You particular course of action is best determined in consultation
with your own doctor.

I do not know of any data on the incidence of carotid kink - since
most are probably asymptomatic and therefore go undetected.

On another topic, if I am not mistaken "bigpond.com" is an Australian
ISP.  I just learned that one of the leading Australian authorities on
tinnitus, Dr. Jane Henry of the University of New South Wales, passed
away last month.  She was only 42.  A loss of incredible magnitude.
Dr. Henry co-authored the book "The Psychological Management of
Chronic Tinnitus - A Cognitive-Behavioral Approach."  It is on my
"must read" list for people who suffer from intrusive tinnitus.

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 27 Aug 2003 11:20 GMT
>>Thanks Guys for your input. It helped put me at ease and I am curious as to
>>how prevalent this is and are there any medications such as anti-coagulants
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>smn

SMN is on the "must avoid" list for people who suffer from instrusive
tinnitus, IMO.

Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
ENTconsult - 28 Aug 2003 03:31 GMT
Dear Jackie,
a patient with internal carotid artery "dysfunction " is far too complicated to
offer advice to unless it is the treating doctor.
For my cases, we alsways involve a neurosurgeon, a radiologist , an internist
and an ent. Each one contributes so the best course of treatment can be arrived
at. No two cases are alike. Your best source of information is your own doctor.
This is a very complex condition and it is extremely easy to get confused by
following "medical texts".
Often  the terms are defined differently too, especially objective tinnitus.
Speak to your doctor who knows of your condition.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
Martin - 28 Aug 2003 04:50 GMT
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com
>http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/

Muzzy, could you explain to the group how a nasal irrigator has
anything to do with tinnitus? It is what you are advertizing, isn't
it?

Martin Aquinas - Civilizations are clashing...will you defend your own or doom your children?

"We cannot forget. We cannot forgive ... We went
through too much. They will have a sentence of their own:
Remembrance."

Border...Language...Culture....QUICK!

America has a "Suicidal Openess" to immigration and it must end or we will fall
 
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