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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2004

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Bill - 04 Nov 2004 21:56 GMT
Tinnitus is hearing ringing, buzzing, or other sounds without an external
cause. Patients may experience tinnitus in one or both ears or in the head.

There are two types of tinnitus, objective and subjective.  You and your
doctor will both be able to hear objective tinnitus, the cause can usually
be identified and there are specific treatments for the various
sub-categories of objective tinnitus.

Subjective tinnitus, on the other hand, can only be heard by the victim.  In
my case, I've had subjective tinnitus for seven or eight years now and have
experienced a few brief episodes of objective tinnitus.  Have experience
both, I know there is a marked difference in the nature of the sound I hear
from each type.  In fact, a physical sensation has accompanied both episodes
of objective tinnitus.

Frankly, I believe the differences between objective and subjective tinnitus
are such that objective tinnitus should be renamed and the definition of
tinnitus broadened to include only sounds that cannot be heard by one's
doctor.  I believe this because over the years I've read the description of
the sound heard by people who have come to this group for help.  In some of
these cases it was easy for me to tell which type of tinnitus they were
experiencing.  Sometimes I was dismayed to read all manner of suggestions to
those suffering from objective tinnitus which were only applicable to those
who had subjective tinnitus.  For example, TRT treats subjective tinnitus
only.

From what I've experienced, tinnitus described as sounding like escaping
steam, crickets or ringing is invariably subjective.  Tinnitus described as
buzzing, vibrating or pulsating is invariably objective.  I would appreciate
knowing if Howard and Murray agree with me on this.

Bill
Jim Chinnis - 05 Nov 2004 00:22 GMT
"Bill" <Bill@myplace.now> wrote in part:

>Sometimes I was dismayed to read all manner of suggestions to
>those suffering from objective tinnitus which were only applicable to those
>who had subjective tinnitus.  For example, TRT treats subjective tinnitus
>only.

I'm surprised to hear that. I would think the cause of the tinnitus--if it
cannot be addressed--wouldn't matter for TRT. I'm no expert, however.

>From what I've experienced, tinnitus described as sounding like escaping
>steam, crickets or ringing is invariably subjective.  Tinnitus described as
>buzzing, vibrating or pulsating is invariably objective.  I would appreciate
>knowing if Howard and Murray agree with me on this.

Buzzing is often the way those with hydrops describe their subjective
tinnitus. I certainly have buzzing and no sign of objective tinnitus has ever
been found.

I would say that pulsating tinnitus that is in time with the pulse is often
objective. It actually can be due to circulatory abnormalities within the
brain, however; in that case it is subjective even though it is pulsatile with
the heartbeat...
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clifto - 05 Nov 2004 00:55 GMT
> Buzzing is often the way those with hydrops describe their subjective
> tinnitus. I certainly have buzzing and no sign of objective tinnitus has ever
> been found.

Hydrops, no buzzing, multiple tones, some distorted, both ears.

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ENTconsult - 05 Nov 2004 06:48 GMT
Tinnitus described as
buzzing, vibrating or pulsating is invariably objective.
The patients I see with subjective T do describe buzzing or vibrating. Some
also describe pulsating, but pulsating objective tinnitus is quite rare. If it
is presnt it may  mean an abnormal blood vessel is the cuase and this requires
diagnosis by visualizing the circulation using injected dyes.
Statistically if you have T, it is subjective and not objective.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
 
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