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francispoon - 23 Oct 2004 21:23 GMT

(1)Tinnitus is usually accompanied by a certain degree of deafness
'over time'?

(2)According to the explanation of a website i went to, *most*
tinnitus came about as a result of some 'derangement' in the auditory
organs. That is to say, certain area(s) in the auditory system
release 'sparks' and our inner ear hears that as the tinnitus sound.
However, the website does not explain what has brought about this
'derangement'.

My own experience seems to confirm (2). My T sound is reminiscent of
electrical spark releasing inside the head before and now on the ear
drum.

Views?

FP

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Bill - 23 Oct 2004 22:00 GMT

> (1)Tinnitus is usually accompanied by a certain degree of deafness
> 'over time'?

Nope. No correlation here.

> (2)According to the explanation of a website i went to, *most*
> tinnitus came about as a result of some 'derangement' in the auditory
> organs. That is to say, certain area(s) in the auditory system
> release 'sparks' and our inner ear hears that as the tinnitus sound.
> However, the website does not explain what has brought about this
> 'derangement'.

Speculation, but interesting. They are saying hair cells damaged by loud
sounds are sending spurious signals to the brain. Sounds like a good theory
but it doesn't explain why people who's auditory nerve is severed during the
removal of an acoustic neuroma continue to experience tinnitus.

> My own experience seems to confirm (2). My T sound is reminiscent of
> electrical spark releasing inside the head before and now on the ear
> drum.

Your experience are very, very strange.

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francispoon - 26 Oct 2004 19:21 GMT

> > (1)Tinnitus is usually accompanied by a certain degree of deafness
> > 'over time'?
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> >
> Your experience are very, very strange.

Yes, Bill. That was why in the beginning I found the so-called
habituation never worked for me. Actually I was suffering from a
'mix'. It is only very recently I started to experience a true t or a
t without other kinds of discomfort. By the way, I am trying to get
you the email from someone who claimed his t was cured after going
through a combination of injection and chamber. Wait!

FP

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Oregon7 - 06 Nov 2004 02:48 GMT

>(1)Tinnitus is usually accompanied by a certain degree of deafness
>'over time'?

False.

>*most*
>tinnitus came about as a result of some 'derangement' in the auditory
>organs.

Unknown. Tinnitus appears to have more to do with the central cortex or lower
cortex than the auditory organs.

>My T sound is reminiscent of
>electrical spark releasing inside the head before and now on the ear
>drum.

That would be quite odd as the tiny bones of the middle ear rest on the eardrum
and there is no 'nerve' system in that mechanical system, just a process
related to vibrations coming from the air. There are no nerve ganglia there to
release any 'spark',

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Jim Chinnis - 06 Nov 2004 03:01 GMT

oregon7@aol.com (Oregon7) wrote in part:

>Tinnitus appears to have more to do with the central cortex or lower
>cortex

What the heck are "central cortex" and "lower cortex"?!

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ENTconsult - 06 Nov 2004 20:07 GMT

Speaking of neuroplasticity, a new study reported in Science using imaging
gives evidence to this concept.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com

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Oregon7 - 09 Nov 2004 05:30 GMT

Hey, Jim, in most people's brains, there are levels of cortical matter higher
than the 'old brain' portion that we share with worms and bunnies and
jellyfish...........in that structure, there are conscious and subconscious
areas, too......

MJ

What do you think?

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Jim Chinnis - 09 Nov 2004 23:15 GMT

oregon7@aol.com (Oregon7) wrote in part:

>Hey, Jim, in most people's brains, there are levels of cortical matter higher
>than the 'old brain' portion that we share with worms and bunnies and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>What do you think?

Hi, Marsha-

I was just reacting to your statement, "Tinnitus appears to have more to do
with the central cortex or lower cortex than the auditory organs."

Based on what you just wrote, I think you meant "cerebral" cortex and (maybe)
"limbic system."

There are a few people who will argue that some sort of dim consciousness is a
property of the "old brain," but most researchers will say that consciousness
is the province of the cerebral cortex--possibly including how the cortex
interacts with certain subcortical regions.

The question of whether tinnitus has more to do with brain than ears is, I
think, unanswered as yet. I guess I subscribe mostly to the idea that most
tinnitus is the result of harm to the inner ear--particularly to sensory loss,
even if that loss isn't significant on a typical audiogram. But the peripheral
loss leads to changes within the auditory brain, plus involvement of emotional
components and learned behaviors, making for a complex problem.

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