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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2004Has anyone tried this?
I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has tried it. http://www.alphatinnitusformulas.com/?source=Overture&OVRAW=pulsatile%20tinnitus &OVKEY=pulsatile%20tinnitus&OVMTC=standard My friend Brian told me that 2 years ago he experienced tinnitus and vertigo but was 'cured' after being put on medicine for 6 months. Currently he has completely quiet ears. I have no reason to disbelieve him. FP >I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has > tried it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > FP I followed the links to their "clinical trials" and found none. In fact, clinical trials have demonstrated an effectiveness equivalent to placebo. > >I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has > > tried it. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I followed the links to their "clinical trials" and found none. In fact, > clinical trials have demonstrated an effectiveness equivalent to placebo. (1)which clinical trial? Where? Show links, please. (2)clinical trial on what? I am very skeptical of clinical trials or controlled studies. How can you get a sample of say 20 patients with 'identical cause' of T, given the fact that the cause of T is so hard to find out? FP >> >I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has >> > tried it. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > FP Go to the link you provided, Francis. Just over half way down the page they have an imbedded link, supposedly to "clinical trials" that confirm the effectiveness of their product. You can take their link but you won't find any clinical trials. Which clinical trial or controlled study fuels your skepticism? They are all different. Although helpful, it isn't necessary to know the cause of something in order to study the effectiveness of remedies. For example, most people couldn't tell you why they had a headache, but they could participate in a controlled, double-blind study comparing a headache remedy with placebo. > >> >I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has > >> > tried it. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > participate in a controlled, double-blind study comparing a headache remedy > with placebo. Not all medicines or medical solutions have gone through controlled double-blind studies. As a matter of fact, most medicines and medical methods or solutions had been around before double-blind studies were born. In the case of the herbs advertized, all i need to do is try it and see if it works in a week or so. Being born and growing up in a herb culture, I know the risk of taking them is by far less than taking aprazolam. FP ================================= Don't you love it when there is no mailing address??? Avoid foods rich in sugar????? Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com > Avoid foods rich in sugar????? I seem to have found some connection between sugar and t, but not quite sure. Why does my t come to visit me only 3 days but not 7 days a week? Tks., FP > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com I know of no relation of sugar to T. There is NOTHING you can eat that the body doesn"t convert to sugar - glucose. You can eat pure fat and get blood sugar. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com >I know of no relation of sugar to T. There is NOTHING you can eat that the >body >doesn"t convert to sugar - glucose. Not completely true. You can eat pure fat and get blood >sugar. Only 10% of the fat you eat is converted to glucose, so fat is a good dietary choice for diabetics and those trying to avoid glucose and/or insulin spikes. Only 58% of the protein you eat is converted to glucose. 100% of the carbohydrate you eat becomes blood glucose, whether your body can use it or not. Susan >Not completely true. This gal shoulda went to med school. ;) -j >Only 10% of the fat you eat is converted to glucose, so fat is a good dietary >choice for diabetics and those trying to avoid glucose and/or insulin spikes. > >Only 58% of the protein you eat is converted to glucose. 100% of the >carbohydrate you eat becomes blood glucose, whether your body can use it or > This gal shoulda went to med school. ;) I'd hate it there. Too many damned doctors. ;-) Susan > I am very skeptical of clinical trials or controlled studies. How can > you get a sample of say 20 patients with 'identical cause' of T, given > the fact that the cause of T is so hard to find out? > > FP Solid and legitimate clinical studies and trials are really the only way to find out if the claimed therapy or treatment are as claimed. Anectodal stories (even if sincered and not outright fradulent) doesn't provide the evidence that the treatment works any better than a placebo. frank > > I am very skeptical of clinical trials or controlled studies. How can > > you get a sample of say 20 patients with 'identical cause' of T, given [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > doesn't provide the evidence that the treatment works any better > than a placebo. I believe in clinical studies but it is the kind of methodology by which a particular clinical study should be conducted concerns me. In order to do a well conducted double blind study, you do need to have a sample of 'identical patients' or patients with identical cause, aside from comparing the other health conditions they might have such as high blood pressure, etc.. In the case of tinnitus patients, i think this is pretty difficult to come by as the causes of tinnitus are so complex and difficult to identify in most cases. FP ====================== > frank > > > I am very skeptical of clinical trials or controlled studies. How can > > > you get a sample of say 20 patients with 'identical cause' of T, given [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > FP Your posts kind of contradicted yourself ("I am very skeptical of clinical trials" and then " I believe in clinical trials") so I'm confused on your position. There are many good clinical studies and trials on certain types of conditions such as pain management which relies on subjective data so clean studies on tinnitus would not be insurmountable. frank > > I am very skeptical of clinical trials or controlled studies. How can > > you get a sample of say 20 patients with 'identical cause' of T, given [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > doesn't provide the evidence that the treatment works any better > than a placebo. I believe in clinical studies but it is the kind of methodology by which a particular clinical study should be conducted concerns me. In order to do a well conducted double blind study, you do need to have a sample of 'identical patients' or patients with identical cause, aside from comparing the other health conditions they might have such as high blood pressure, etc.. In the case of tinnitus patients, i think this is pretty difficult to come by as the causes of tinnitus are so complex and difficult to identify in most cases. FP ====================== > frank > In >order to do a well conducted double blind study, you do need to have a >sample of 'identical patients' or patients with identical cause, aside >from comparing the other health conditions they might have such as >high blood pressure, etc.. This just isn't true. One might try to control as many variables as possible, but that doesn't mean one can't do clinical outcome studies for symptom relief without knowing the cause of the T. For example, a very famous study years ago found that when arthritis patients were all lumped together without regard to type or cause, 40% of the total group benefited from treatment with antibiotics. Some had complete resolution of symptoms. This was a very useful clinical study that was performed without separation by cause. If we could only study illnesses for which there is a single known cause, we'd have almost no studies at all. Susan sufein@aol.comnospam (Susan ) wrote in part: >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Susan Yep. Some people feel that every situation is unique and that a disease can be cured by something that might well cure only that one person that one time. Since those "cures" can't be explained or repeated, they are of little interest to science (or to someone else looking for a cure). And...it is essentially magic for a doctor to pick such unique cures for individuals. A controlled study can determine how likely a tested treatment is to produce an effect of a certain size in a certain percentage of the population tested. If it is a large test, it can find treatments that are effective for very tiny percentages of the patients. But it can't find the sorts of "cures" that work for one person one time. Scientists know that we humans share most of our genes and chemistries. They also know that there are important differences that affect whether a cure works or not. If a person says that they have a system for prescribing, say, a blend of herbs tailored to each individual, that SYSTEM can be tested as a treatment just like any other. At the limit, the person/doctom/shaman/whatever become the treatment that can be tested in a controlled study.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > sufein@aol.comnospam (Susan ) wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > just like any other. At the limit, the person/doctom/shaman/whatever become > the treatment that can be tested in a controlled study. Perhaps there have already been 'controlled' studies of the various forms done on the herb treatments in medical colleges 'around the globe' except that we in this group do not know. FP , > Perhaps there have already been 'controlled' studies of the various > forms done on the herb treatments in medical colleges 'around the > globe' except that we in this group do not know. I wouldn't worry about clinical trials Francis, as NONE have been done on gentically modified food, yet ALL North Americans are eating it quite happily. Ben > , > Perhaps there have already been 'controlled' studies of the various > > forms done on the herb treatments in medical colleges 'around the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gentically modified food, yet ALL North Americans are eating it quite > happily. I believe in clinical trials, but clinical trials mean more than just the controlled studies in a double blind fashion. Thousands of medical treatments and medicines have crystalized from the past thousands of years' experiences before such a method named controlled double-blind study was born. Does it mean that any of them that has been a proven success by methods *other than* a controlled study should be discarded. FP ========================================== > Ben jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu (Jim Chinnis) wrote in message snipped... > If a person says that they have a system for prescribing, say, a blend of > herbs tailored to each individual, that SYSTEM can be tested as a treatment > just like any other. Jim, have you had personal experience or knowledge about how a blend of herbs is prescribed? I frankly don't think you have. There is a formula as to the components of various herbs for a particular ill but the quantity of each herb could be adjusted to allow for individual variations. This is also true of the 'conventional' medicine too. For example, a person may need only 5mg of a high blood pressure pill while another person who also suffers from high blood pressure has to use 10mg of the same pill. On that basis, how is the conventional medicine different from the herb approach in principle? At the limit, the person/doctom/shaman/whatever become > the treatment that can be tested in a controlled study. I don't know that you mean by a controlled study. I am sure that the currently existing medical treatments and medicines, be them conventional or 'alternative', must have crystalized from the EMPIRICAL findings of many years of experiences, and have been constantly re-valuated using up-to-day methods. If you had been a medical school student, you should have no difficulty in understanding it. Thus I am not sure what your concern is. You seem to have asked why a particular person, a herb doctor, has not tested what he prescribes to his patients _on himself_. My response to your curiosity would have been as follows: (1)I don't know if he has experimented it on *himself* for every ill he diagnoses. (2)I don't understand why he should have done it on *himself*. Doctors go through various kinds of training in medical schools. Does it mean each doctor has to experiment each kind of treatment on *himself/herself* before prescribing a particular method to his/her patients? (3)If your concern is that these empirical experiences that doctors receive in medical schools are suspects for their scentific authenticity, and that only the 'controlled' double-blind studies count, then many treatments for various diseases throughout human history in the whole world should be suspended. Perhaps you should write to the director of the medical school at Harvard. Harvard University offers courses in TCM or Traditional Chinese Medicine. In your letter, you may want to state your assumption or belief that any herb recipee that has been a proven success by methods *other than* double blind controlled study is a suspect for its scientific authenticity and as such should be discarded from the cirriculum. That is to say, even if a recipee had been in great demand due to its success in the treatment of a particular ill over many years of clinical experiences but if this recipee had not been tested in a 'controlled' double blind study, this recipee should be thrown out right away or should be taken for a double blind study before teaching it. See what the professors at Harvard may say. After all, all of us are a bunch of amateurs as far as 'alternative' medicine is concerned. Sheer speculation outside the domain of a profession is dangerous! FP > jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu (Jim Chinnis) wrote in message > snipped... [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > FP Francis, the man you address is no amateur, but rather is a PhD, a researcher, a scientist of the first order. He speaks authoritatively from WITHIN his profession. He is graduated from two exceptionally fine universities. It is you, however, who demand we accept anecdotes from strangers. You insult us all by your attitude. Dr. Chinnis is a famous man. Who are you? As to the state of health in your country, I offer the following: Study Shows Majority of Chinese Urban Dwellers Sick VOA News 20 Sep 2004, 12:02 UTC A new study conducted by the Chinese Red Cross shows that some three-quarters of all Chinese city dwellers are in ill health and that life expectancies are declining for skilled and educated workers. The survey by the Red cross Society of China covered 16 Chinese cities with populations of over one million, including Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou. The report said the problem was worst among senior and mid-level managers and well-educated white collar workers. Their life expectancies have fallen to 58 years - less than the national average of 72. China's industrial boom and soaring vehicle use have contributed to severe air and water pollution, while changing diets and exercise habits have led to increased obesity, stress, heart attacks and strokes. Best, scp snap_crackle_pop <snap_crackle_pop@inner_ear.org> wrote in part: >Dr. Chinnis is a >famous man. Who are you? I appreciate the praise, scp, but not the comparison above. I realize that Francis is claiming that we are all amateurs save for his (and other) doctors. I'd say we are all equal in our ultimate reliance on our own thinking about these issues. That makes us all professionals. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > I appreciate the praise, scp, but not the comparison above. I realize that > Francis is claiming that we are all amateurs save for his (and other) doctors. > I'd say we are all equal in our ultimate reliance on our own thinking about > these issues. That makes us all professionals. And I appreciate your modesty, Jim. With the proviso that there is no spooky action at a distance, save quantum tunneling, I agree to consider us all survivors and thus professionals when it comes to tinnitus. Perhaps because of the mysterious nature of tinnitus those who are cock-sure and arrogant in their positions should mellow out. snap_crackle_pop <snap_crackle_pop@inner_ear.org> wrote in part: >And I appreciate your modesty, Jim. Well...I admit that I am "famous." Assuming that Usenet counts... SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > snap_crackle_pop <snap_crackle_pop@inner_ear.org> wrote in part: >>And I appreciate your modesty, Jim. > Well...I admit that I am "famous." > Assuming that Usenet counts... Usenet, if nothing else, is an odd place. :-) > > I appreciate the praise, scp, but not the comparison above. I realize that > > Francis is claiming that we are all amateurs save for his (and other) doctors. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the mysterious nature of tinnitus those who are cock-sure > and arrogant in their positions should mellow out. That means you have to mellow out to begin with, as you are so cock-sure that others are wrong and so wrong that you have to correct them. You stop that bad habit of yours in terms of bringing in the irrelevant to confuse a debate and things will from now on go fine on you. Many people in this world have ph.d degrees. How do you know that you are not talking to one? =============================== >I appreciate the praise, scp, but not the comparison above. I realize that >Francis is claiming that we are all amateurs save for his (and other) doctors. >I'd say we are all equal in our ultimate reliance on our own thinking about >these issues. That makes us all professionals. Jim: I can appreciate that we are all victims of one of God's little 'jokes' of a problem but certainly not professionals. In my eight or so years here, I've found more and better help for this problem from: Susan Moreland, yourself, Dr's Nagler, Grossan and Gutnick than from all other sources (except Bruce's EERIE WAX) combined. My collective thanks, Bob D. Bob D. Long Island, NY bdimarco@optonline.net > > jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu (Jim Chinnis) wrote in message > > snipped... [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > You insult us all by your attitude. Dr. Chinnis is a > famous man. Who are you? (1)Regardless of whatever qualification anyone has or the kind of universities from which he graduated, the group is open for logical discussion. If he felt that i demonstrate a tendency to demand the group to accept whatever he deems UN-scientific, it would be his moral responsibility to carry on the discussion with me to point it out. And it is none of your business to come in, without having to discuss what is relevant, to comment on my attitude as a way to help him or you win the argument. You could do better than that. (2)Whether or not Dr.Chinnis is famous or not is irrelevant to the discussion. It is as irrelevant as it is to demand that you being famous before being allowed to comment. Then who the hell are you to comment? Are you a famous man? (3)Harvard University also offers alternative medicines courses. Is that school also trying to demand fools like yourself to accept anecdates? You don't even know what you are talking about. > As to the state of health in your country, I offer the > following: My country is Canada. You stupid fool? The fact that I am an ethnic Chinese Canadian by my last name does not mean that you could bring in the sad health state of his ethnic origin as a way to win an argument. What is your ethnic origin? Are there sad states of something over there? People who use this tactic or the tactic of attacking or insulting the ethnicity of his/her interlocutor in order to advance an argument are usually those who were bred from the socially and mentally inferior, of whom you have appeared to be one. I am waiting for either you or Dr. Chennis to come forward with your side of the logical argument. There are many famous people in this world and many of them do have ph.ds without your realizing. You just happen to be ignorant of the world outside you. FP ================================= > Study Shows Majority of Chinese Urban Dwellers Sick > VOA News [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > scp > I am waiting for either you or Dr. Chennis to come forward with your > side of the logical argument. There are many famous people in this > world and many of them do have ph.ds without your realizing. You just > happen to be ignorant of the world outside you. > > FP Francis, Jim presented a logical argument and SCP's comments were appropriate. Telling them they are ignorant, however, is the childish hallmark of someone with nothing of value to write. Best wishes, Bill > > I am waiting for either you or Dr. Chennis to come forward with your > > side of the logical argument. There are many famous people in this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > appropriate. Telling them they are ignorant, however, is the childish > hallmark of someone with nothing of value to write. Jim's logical argument had not come at the point of my writing the above and SCP's comments are NOT appropriate to me. You are just coming in to say something for the sake of saying it. The latter is about all the value you have got in writing. FP ======================== > Best wishes, > > Bill >Jim's logical argument had not come at the point of my writing the >above and SCP's comments are NOT appropriate to me. You are just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >FP >======================== FP, I'm rubber, you're glue. Bounces off me, sticks on you. -John Fuller, HOH (snip) >>Francis, the man you address is no amateur, but rather is a >>PhD, a researcher, a scientist of the first order. He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> You insult us all by your attitude. Dr. Chinnis is a >>famous man. Who are you? > (1)Regardless of whatever qualification anyone has or the kind of > universities from which he graduated, the group is open for logical [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what is relevant, to comment on my attitude as a way to help him or > you win the argument. You could do better than that. As I have suggested, Francis, we should all mellow out. This is Usenet. You do understand what Usenet is? > (2)Whether or not Dr.Chinnis is famous or not is irrelevant to the > discussion. It is as irrelevant as it is to demand that you being > famous before being allowed to comment. Then who the hell are you to > comment? Are you a famous man? Infamous. HAHA!! > (3)Harvard University also offers alternative medicines courses. Is > that school also trying to demand fools like yourself to accept > anecdates? You don't even know what you are talking about. There is no spooky action at a distance, Francis. There is no magic. >>As to the state of health in your country, I offer the >>following: > My country is Canada. You stupid fool? I believed from your posting you were from Hong Kong, Francis. Please forgive my mistake. > The fact that I am an ethnic > Chinese Canadian by my last name does not mean that you could bring in > the sad health state of his ethnic origin as a way to win an argument. > What is your ethnic origin? English, Irish, Scot, and a German in the woodpile, they say. > Are there sad states of something over > there? People who use this tactic or the tactic of attacking or > insulting the ethnicity of his/her interlocutor in order to advance an > argument are usually those who were bred from the socially and > mentally inferior, of whom you have appeared to be one. No, Francis, I merely take your trollish behavior to mean you are trolling this group, looking for argument for argument's sake. I hope I am wrong in this suspicion. > I am waiting for either you or Dr. Chennis to come forward with your > side of the logical argument. There are many famous people in this > world and many of them do have ph.ds without your realizing. You just > happen to be ignorant of the world outside you. We are NOT having an argument, Francis. You are. Best, scp (snip) >No, Francis, I merely take your trollish behavior to mean >you are trolling this group, looking for argument for >argument's sake. I hope I am wrong in this suspicion. You are wrong. Susan > (snip) > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > As I have suggested, Where have you suggested? Who are you? Are you that guy that talked about the sad state of health in China or are you someone jumping in? Francis, we should all mellow out. > This is Usenet. You do understand what Usenet is? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I believed from your posting you were from Hong Kong, > Francis. Please forgive my mistake. This is BC, Canada. ====================== > > The fact that I am an ethnic > > Chinese Canadian by my last name does not mean that you could bring in [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > (snip) fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: >jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu (Jim Chinnis) wrote in message >snipped... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >use 10mg of the same pill. On that basis, how is the conventional >medicine different from the herb approach in principle? It differs in practice, not in principle. The difference in practice is that herbal treatments tend to involve many herbs, each at dosages for the particular patient. There is a problem with combinatorics. It may be the right "drug" for that patient, but there is no way to test and no way to know, because of the thousands or millions of possible herb combinations and dosages. This problem arises too in "Western" medicine, when multiple interacting (or potentially interacting) drugs are used on a single patient. There are few or no data on the precise combination. > At the limit, the person/doctom/shaman/whatever become >> the treatment that can be tested in a controlled study. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >medical school student, you should have no difficulty in understanding >it. Thus I am not sure what your concern is. The inferences drawn by physicians and others based on empirical data are subject to powerful biases and to confusion arising from many well-studied causes. A "controlled" study is one in which the treatment is compared with another treatment (possibly a placebo) and where the two tests are made as comparable as possible. That way, any differences that emerge can be attributed to the treatments. >You seem to have asked why a particular person, a herb doctor, has not >tested what he prescribes to his patients _on himself_. My response >to your curiosity would have been as follows: You misunderstood me. (snip) >Perhaps you should write to the director of the medical school at >Harvard. Harvard University offers courses in TCM or Traditional [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >as 'alternative' medicine is concerned. Sheer speculation outside the >domain of a profession is dangerous! I doubt very much that Harvard Medical School teaches its students to concoct a 10-herb mixture with each herb titrated for the individual patient. That was the kind of practice that you described that I objected to. Francis, I have no doubt that some treatments from TCM are effective. And I'm sure that medical schools that consider TCM treatments are suggesting that such treatments may be useful where no treatment has been shown (by controlled studies or blatantly obvious success) to be very effective, for the reasons you state. I'm sure also that some traditional treatments will be shown to be effective in controlled studies. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > herbal treatments tend to involve many herbs, each at dosages for the > particular patient. If you had been in that profession, it would not have appeared that complicated to you. The discipline of herb medicine identifies various properties in a person. Since most people have more or less the same set of properties, the variations between various individual would not be that acute. There is a problem with combinatorics. It may be the right > "drug" for that patient, but there is no way to test and no way to know, > because of the thousands or millions of possible herb combinations and [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > I doubt very much that Harvard Medical School teaches its students to concoct > a 10-herb mixture with each herb titrated for the individual patient. That was the kind of practice that you described that I objected to. It is not that horrible as it sounds. Go and read a book on Introductory to TCM and you will find that it is not that voodoo at all. > Francis, I have no doubt that some treatments from TCM are effective. And I'm > sure that medical schools that consider TCM treatments are suggesting that > such treatments may be useful where no treatment has been shown (by controlled > studies or blatantly obvious success) to be very effective, for the reasons > you state. I'm sure also that some traditional treatments will be shown to be > effective in controlled studies. I am all for controlled studies. However, like any other kinds of studies, it has its limitations and as such should be acknowledged. If something had been found to work through years of clinical experience, people would just keep using it. The ones that want to do a controlled study on that are the ones that have the fund and the interests to do it. These are mostly people who want to find a topic for their thesis or term papers. Otherwise, how would a doctor who is already doing well financially and professionally all of a sudden go and perform controlled study on each method he uses on patients? FP fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: >If you had been in that profession, it would not have appeared that >complicated to you. The discipline of herb medicine identifies >various properties in a person. Since most people have more or less >the same set of properties, the variations between various individual >would not be that acute. The combinatorics problem is still the same. I'm talking about a problem in combining treatments according to multiple factors. it isn't possible for someone to properly intuit the meaning of his experience with such treatments, and it isn't possible to do a controlled study on them. if the METHOD behind a complex combination-treatment system can be specified, it is possible to study that method in a controlled study. >It is not that horrible as it sounds. Go and read a book on >Introductory to TCM and you will find that it is not that voodoo at >all. I'm not addressing TCM specifically. What I'm talking about is the combination of multiple drugs/herbs/treatments tailored to individual patients. If the system can be defined, it can and should be tested when warranted. Otherwise, you are to be skeptical. >I am all for controlled studies. However, like any other kinds of >studies, it has its limitations and as such should be acknowledged. >If something had been found to work through years of clinical >experience, people would just keep using it. Of course. But many things that have been used forever and were widely believed to work turn out not to work, when they are tested properly. Some things work every single time. They don't need testing. There aren't any "obvious" cures or treatments for tinnitus. >The ones that want to do >a controlled study on that are the ones that have the fund and the >interests to do it. These are mostly people who want to find a topic >for their thesis or term papers. Otherwise, how would a doctor who is >already doing well financially and professionally all of a sudden go >and perform controlled study on each method he uses on patients? I agree that most doctors have no interest whatsoever in testing the treatments they believe in. But I see that as a bad thing. Fortunately, there are groups that tend to fund research and press for it. For tinnitus, there is the American Tinnitus Association. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Hi Francis, It looks like another of those sites that make claims just to get our money :( I suppose you can easily get hold of Ginko yourself without paying so much anyway? As for your friend - well, his T might have been one of those that simply disappeared? I believe it is said to be possible - just wish we could ALL be one of those types. Ben > I found the following website and am wondering if any one here has > tried it. http://www.alphatinnitusformulas.com/?source=Overture&OVRAW=pulsatile%20tinnitus &OVKEY=pulsatile%20tinnitus&OVMTC=standard |
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