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The pressure is gone but the sound is still there...

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francispoon - 25 Aug 2004 19:04 GMT
I stayed in China for about 8 months.  During which time, I tried
everything but never allowed the shiny needles to get near me.

A couple of weeks ago, my daugher introduced me to a _registered_
accupuncturist here in the beautiful province of British Columbia.
After 2 treatments, what i used to complain of 'somatic discomfort',
'hydrop-related head pressure', 'moving sensation', 'red spot', etc.
has been reduced by almost 90%.  So far at this point of writing, the
symptoms have not bounced back. Now the pressure is off but the
tinnitus sound is _still_ there!  The sound still comes about 3 times
a week, but it comes with a much lower pitch. Thus it appears clear
that I was suffering from a 'mix' prior to the  treatment.

Does accupuncture help?  Well, it depends on *WHO* is doing it.  By
the same token, if you ran into someone with a ph.d and had been
working on ears at Johns Hopkins medical centre for 30 years, your
chance of getting a good treatment would be very high.  On the other
hand, if you had a guy that graduated from a farm school in Atlantas,
and whose specialty while in school was in fixing up azzes, then you
might even get a MIS-treatment on your ears.

This lady accupuncturist graduated from the University of Peking or
the old Imperial University of China.  The latter was where the kings
and emporers went for their medical treatments.  She has had over 30
years of experiences in traditional medicines.  She used very SHORT
needles and only A FEW needles.  If any of you wanted to try
accupuncture for whatever reasons, you could visit her website at
www.yongsheng.ca.

So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to
'whether this or that works'.  *WHO* is performing the treatment is
the most important.

FP
Smarty pants - 25 Aug 2004 20:52 GMT
<snip>
> So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to
> 'whether this or that works'.  *WHO* is performing the treatment is
> the most important.
>
> FP
You are saying acupuncture will cure tinnitus if the needles are properly
placed, right?  This is very interesting.  Can you direct us to any medical
studies confirming this?  Can you tell us where the needles should be
placed?
roy - 26 Aug 2004 10:11 GMT
>> So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to 'whether
>> this or that works'.  *WHO* is performing the treatment is the most
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> medical studies confirming this?  Can you tell us where the needles should
> be placed?

As a patient/sufferer I thought he was warning us against medical
a.sholes. You know, people with no or hardly no relevant medical
experience practising medicine. What's your stance on this? Are
you a sufferer, newly qualified physician or a long time expert in the
field?
Smarty pants - 26 Aug 2004 20:03 GMT
> >> So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to 'whether
> >> this or that works'.  *WHO* is performing the treatment is the most
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> you a sufferer, newly qualified physician or a long time expert in the
> field?

I have habituated my tinnitus.  Although it is always with me, I no longer
suffer.
francispoon - 26 Aug 2004 19:28 GMT
> <snip>
> > So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> You are saying acupuncture will cure tinnitus if the needles are properly
> placed, right?

No!  Go and take an English course.

FP
========================================

 This is very interesting.  Can you direct us to any medical
> studies confirming this?  Can you tell us where the needles should be
> placed?
Smarty pants - 26 Aug 2004 20:10 GMT
> > <snip>
> > > So put aside for the time being all that generalizations as to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> FP
> ========================================
<snip>
Putting aside generalizations about the effectiveness of acupuncture, then,
are you saying it is important to be treated by someone who knows where to
place the needles?  After all, Francis, isn't this what acupuncturists do?

If you don't believe acupuncture will cure your tinnitus, why endure the
treatment?
francispoon - 27 Aug 2004 17:39 GMT
> > "Smarty pants" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in message
>  news:<666Xc.1043$j1.19251@news7.onvoy.net>...
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> If you don't believe acupuncture will cure your tinnitus, why endure the
> treatment?

This particular operation took away my 'head pressure' but the sound
is still there.   READ THE TITLE.  It is in English.
==================================
Smarty pants - 30 Aug 2004 02:24 GMT
> > > "Smarty pants" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in message
> >  news:<666Xc.1043$j1.19251@news7.onvoy.net>...
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> is still there.   READ THE TITLE.  It is in English.
> ==================================
I wasn't addressing the pressure aspect of your topic, Francis, just the
tinnitus since, as you know, this is a tinnitus support group.  I'm not
aware of any scientific or medical evidence that acupuncture is an effective
treatment for tinnitus.

Excess cranial pressure is a serious matter and I'm glad to learn yours has
finally returned to a normal level.  I suppose the excess pressure is vented
out the pinhole, huh?
francispoon - 30 Aug 2004 18:12 GMT
> > "Smarty pants" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in message
>  news:<SAqXc.1076$j1.20041@news7.onvoy.net>...
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> aware of any scientific or medical evidence that acupuncture is an effective
> treatment for tinnitus.

Did I indicate anywhere it is?  If it were, the sound would have disappeared.
READ THE TITLE.  It is in English.

FP
=====================================

> Excess cranial pressure is a serious matter and I'm glad to learn yours has
> finally returned to a normal level.  I suppose the excess pressure is vented
> out the pinhole, huh?

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