Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / January 2005
Hydro Pulse vs Water Pik
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Glen Rocklin - 24 Oct 2004 00:46 GMT I have been asked to respond to the HP vs Water Pik issue. As a former 20+ year employee at Water Pik, most recently as their National Accounts Director, I am intimately familiar with irrigator units and their application.
The Hydro Pulse is by far a superior unit in both performance and design especially as it relates to Nasal Irrigation for which it was specifically designed. During my tenure at Water Pik we were very happy to sell Water Pik's because of Dr. Grossan's efforts especially when you consider the market for oral irrigator units has eroded dramatically since the early 1980's and is nearly 70% less than what it was during its peak. During that time we were careful to point out that the units warranty would be voided if anything other than water was used or it was used for any application other than dental. That was at a time when the units were far superior to what is being produced and marketed today.
The only way oral irrigator units can maintain a measure of oral care market share against the high-end toothbrushes and the low-end spin brushes is on price. As a result Water Pik and Conair have both dramatically reduced the quality of their units both in its performance and design which is within the range of acceptable perforamance for oral irirgation but makes them very suspect for nasal irrigation.
Notable differences between the Oral irrigators and the HP include:
Low-end rubber and latex "O" rings and seals, which not only degrade quickly but also can result in rubber/latex reside in the reservoir and solution. The lack of protected seals and "O" rings will also result in premature wear, leaking, and noisy valves.
Variable pulse rate vs calibrated pulse rate. The low-end oral irrigator units being produced currently by Durable Goods (for Water Pik) and Gimelli (for Conair Interplak) actually fluctuate from a low of 1000 PPM to a peak of 3300 PPM. Anything over 1600 PPM becomes to close to a steady stream and no longer provides the benefit of a pulsatile action close to that of the nasal cilia and in accordance with Dr. Grossan's recognized work on pulsatile irrigation and its impact on mucociliary function.
The lack of a fully adjustable pressure control on the current Water Pik design due to the factory settings further results in lack of personal control and comfort.
In contrast, the Hydro Pulse utilizes medical grade silicone and is free from any latex or rubber, which may result in unwanted residue or degradation. The unit is calibrated to pulse at 1200 PPM. The HP has a fully adjustable pressure control for added control and comfort. The mechanical planetary gear and piston design on the HP is quieter and more durable for less leaking and noise. The targeted design as a nasal irrigator as opposed to a modified Water Pik makes the HP eligible for insurance reimbursement not found on a Water Pik type device.
Re: Shock - NO irrigator currently comes with a GFI plug. Nor is there any record of any serious injury from any irrigator appliance. The plugs are polarized and the low wattage of the device simply do not make them necessary and GFI plugs are inconsistent and problematic in their own right. Of course as with any electrical appliances safety must be used and a litany of legal advisements and warnings accompany the unit as with any electrical appliance.
I am not here to tell you whether you should buy an Water Pik/Conair or Hydro Pulse. I am simply reporting there is a significant performance and design advantage associated with the HP. The fact that it is specifically designed for this purpose as opposed to a high pressure oral device which is being modified externally for an application not intended should be sufficient for making the upgrade.
In any event, to those that think the Water Pik of today is anything like the Water Pik produced in Ft. Collins CO for nearly 40 years before production shut down and moved overseas has simply not made an informed product comparison.
Glen Rocklin
Steven Litvintchouk - 24 Oct 2004 03:18 GMT > I have been asked to respond to the HP vs Water Pik issue. As a > former 20+ year employee at Water Pik, most recently as their > National Accounts Director, I am intimately familiar with irrigator > units and their application. > . . . . > Re: Shock - NO irrigator currently comes with a GFI plug. The WaterPik was never intended to be used with salt water on a regular basis. The HydroPulse is.
Salt water is a good electrical conductor. And as the water evaporates, the salt that remains can corrode electrical parts. I find that due to the location of the power button on the HydroPulse, saline solution often drips onto the power button accidentally. Over time, that might be damaging the seal and causing electrical current leakage. When I owned a WaterPik, with its power switch on the side of the machine, the switch got wet much less often.
Let's wait and see if any other users of the HydroPulse ever encounter excessive current leakage from their units. I'm sure that if enough reports of this phenomenon occur, the HydroMed company will then do something about it.
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Glen Rocklin - 24 Oct 2004 17:54 GMT I wanted to follow-up my posting to simply restate I had received a couple of inquiries from folks who viewed the postings and wanted clarifIcation between the units. I simply thought it made sense to repond to the newsgroup. I meant in no way to try and commercialize the newsgroup. I am intimately familiar with virtually every irrigator on the market and have been for almost 30 years. Will they all work for irrigation purposes? Certainly, but some are better than others. There are plenty of folks that simply use the high pressure Water Pik jet tip directly to irirgate their nose. It is not the best thing to do but it will work, if you can handle it - although not too many health care professionals would recommend it. I simply was trying to point out the differences. I am neither a medical doctor or regular poster to this group.
I will leave future postings to the members and others that benefit from this newsgroup and apologize if I acted improper in anyway.
Glen Rocklin
MS - 22 Dec 2004 03:29 GMT > There are plenty of folks that simply use the high pressure > Water Pik jet tip directly to irirgate their nose. It doesn't have to be high pressure. You can adjust the pressure very low. And the Interplak-Conair device (which you conveniently hardly mentioned) can be adjusted lower VERY easily.
>It is not the best > thing to do but it will work, if you can handle it - although not too > many health care professionals would recommend it. Please clarify that last statement. How do you know how many health care professionals would recommend it? Have you done a poll of them? That sounds like an invented "statistic" to me, not very honest.
>I simply was > trying to point out the differences. No you weren't. You were plugging a product that you have a financial stake in. Why is that still not posted anywhere in these two posts of yours? This was no kind of objective comparison between two products, but a sales pitch.
> I will leave future postings to the members and others that benefit > from this newsgroup and apologize if I acted improper in anyway. I do consider commercializing of newsgroups, using them for free advertising, to be improper. However, you are not the only one who does that. It occurs, unfortunately, all over Usenet, including frequently in this NG. But again, if you do that, you should at least be honest about it. I still take exception to the the fact that although you stated many times that you used to work for Waterpik, you don't state at all your current involvement with Hydro-pulse. People should know what motives people might have for posting what they do.
augustwestern - 22 Dec 2004 19:47 GMT > I do consider commercializing of newsgroups, using them for free > advertising, to be improper. However, you are not the only one who does [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > involvement with Hydro-pulse. People should know what motives people might > have for posting what they do. Thanks for replying twice to this old thread from last Oct.
People should know what motives people might have for posting what they do.
shedokdo@aol.com - 01 Jan 2005 04:15 GMT Mr Rocklin: what do you know about the Sanvic Hydropulse Nasal Irrigator? How does it compare to the Grossan Hydropulse? It does seem to be about 10-15 less in price. Thanks in advance for answering Carol
ARoberts - 24 Oct 2004 05:17 GMT > Re: Shock - NO irrigator currently comes with a GFI plug. Nor is > there any record of any serious injury from any irrigator appliance. > The plugs are polarized and the low wattage of the device simply do > not make them necessary and GFI plugs are inconsistent and problematic > in their own right. . Well, you lost me with the low wattage statement. The power consumption of a device has nothing to do with the necessity for a GFI. Any device that has line potential and is used around water can benefit from a GFI. The fact that the plugs are polarized is a benefit when a potential "hot chassis" exists, to ensure that the exposed metal components are not at lethal voltages, but does _not_ make GFIs "unnecessary" when water can come in contact with line voltages inside an appliance. Yes, GFIs have some inconveniences, including false triggering, but that inconvenience pales in comparison to electrocution.
MS - 22 Dec 2004 03:20 GMT You are always called in to defend the HydroPulse, correct, when anyone questions its supposed "superiority", costing three times as much as the other devices?
Something that I didn't notice in this post of yours, but I think you wrote before, is that you are very involved in producing the Hydro-Pulse. Is that correct? Why do you mention so many times that you formerly worked for WaterPik, but do not mention that currently are involved with the Hydropulse? When there is a financial incentive to any post, it should be clearly stated by the poster. The sales of Hydro-Pulse affect the financial well-being of your company, correct? You are not just writing from an objective point of view. Dr. G asked you to write this, as you both have a financial stake in sales of Hydro-pulse.
A couple of points about what you wrote below:
You imply that the HP is sturdier. Why then, does it only have a one year warranty, while both the WP and Interplak-Conair device have two year warranties? Why does that question go unanswered? Several people here have mentioned how their HPs broke down a little over one year. Doesn't sound very sturdy to me.
It's true that often the current WPs have problems, especially when used with saline. However, the WP company is great about its warranty. You just call them, tell them the problem, tell them your serial number, and they send a new one (or a new handle, if that is the problem). They don't ask you to send the old one back, they don't ask you to send them a copy of your receipt. Nothing but a phone call, and they send you a new one. I would guess that, as long as the model you have was made within the last two years, that it would even be replaced after two years, since they don't ask for a copy of the purchase receipt. Does the HP have such a great return policy, within its much shorter one year warranty period? (Anyone here with a HP had a problem within one year, and called for warranty repair or replacement? If so, please relate that experience to us.)
The IP (Interplak-Conair) seems more sturdy than the WP. I have not had any problems with mine. However, although I like the IP more than the WP in most respects, the larger water tank (1000 vs 500 ml) on the WP is better for my purposes, so I haven't used the IP much. Like your HP, it has a rotary pressure control device on the machine, and is much quieter than the WP/
Regarding that the "warranty is voided if you use anything other than plain water in the device", perhaps that was the case when you worked for WP, but it certainly is not the case now. In fact, WP now puts out its own nasal irrigation device. No one irrigates the nose with plain water, so they must assume that people will use it with saline. One cannot make the claim that the device is "not intended for nasal irrigation", since the company makes a nasal irrigation tip to use with it. In fact, it is a little funny that you make the statement about the warranty being voided by non-dental use, right after the sentence about "we were very happy to sell Waterpiks because of Dr. Grossan's efforts".
You criticize that the WP and IP are made in Asia. Yes, unfortunately for the manufacturing work force in the USA, almost all production of goods bought here has moved to Asia, Latin America, etc. I don't think that degrades the quality of the product, however. You would have a hard time in any shopping mall in the USA, to find any products manufactured here. Same goes for the Hydropulse. Also manufactured in Asia, correct? So, how can you criticize that "production has moved overseas", when your production is also overseas?
You write, as has Dr. G, about "insurance reimbursement". Has anyone reading this, who has an HP (several regular readers to this NG seem to have one), been reimbursed by insurance for it? If there has been any reiumbursement, I would guess it is a very small amount, like a few dollars, nowhere near enough to make up for the difference in cost between the products.
Once more--before you write promoting a product in which you have a financial incentive in its sales, you should be honest in disclosing that fact.
> I have been asked to respond to the HP vs Water Pik issue. As a > former 20+ year employee at Water Pik, most recently as their [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > Glen Rocklin ENTconsult - 23 Dec 2004 05:36 GMT I have never worked for Water Pik.
The name of the Hydro Pulse is the Grossan Hydro Pulse Nasal/ Sinus Irrigator. I hope that is clear that it is my product, I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer. If you go to www.hydromedonline.com you can see that the products are clearly marked Grossan. That should tell you whose product it is. I can assure you I have nothing to be ashamed of in designing and marketing my products. Actually its the reverse, I am grateful ot be able to bring these product to fruition. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
shedokdo@aol.com - 01 Jan 2005 04:09 GMT Right on Mr Rocklin! The Grossan Hydropulse rocks!!!!!!!!!! Carol
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