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Woody Long - 20 Oct 2004 23:21 GMT Quacks scratching their heads
Kids' illnesses baffle researchers
More children then ever are contracting asthma, autism and other maladies, prompting plans for a major study to find the causes
BY TOM WEBB
ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS
WASHINGTON - In ever-growing numbers, something seems to be poisoning America's children.
But what? Rates are soaring for diagnoses of childhood asthma, autism, allergies and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Scientists don't fully understand what's happening among this generation of children -- but they're worried by a mounting toll of sick kids and the growing costs to families, schools, taxpayers and society.
In Minnesota, autism diagnoses have grown twentyfold in a generation, making a once-rare condition an unhappy fact of modern life.
Now, the federal government hopes to unravel the mystery by launching the largest study of children in U.S. history. It's called the National Children's Study, a two-decade-long effort that would track 100,000 children from the womb into adulthood, examining their genetic makeup, environment, eating habits, home situations and health. The cost: $2.7 billion.
"It's big science. It's the same order of magnitude as the human genome project," said Dr. Peter Scheidt, director of the study's program office, at the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.
The study seeks to answer questions now raging within medical circles, among educators and in parent groups. Are these conditions caused by toxins? By genetics? Too much television? Bad diets? Home situations? Possibly some combination?
It has many supporters, who cite the staggering cost in medical care and in the effect on families. They welcome the effort to systematically explore why this is happening. But in Washington, the competition for research money is always fierce, and even some children's advocates are unsure the data produced will be worth the cost.
Mary Powell, director of the Autism Society of Minnesota, would welcome some answers. In the past 15 years, she has seen an explosion in the number of Minnesota kids diagnosed with autism-related conditions, from about 100 children to nearly 3,000. Some of that growth reflects better diagnosis of autism, but she suspects something else is happening, too -- with troubling consequences.
The root cause of autism is "the nagging question forever for parents," Powell said, "because they're always saying, 'If there's something I could have done.' That's a very profound question in parents' minds because they never get rid of the feeling that, somehow, the course of their children's life could have been different."
For Gretchen Moen of Eagan, Minn., it's asthma that has altered her family's life.
Her athletic son, Patrick, now 18, has asthma, and she vividly remembers the early struggles.
"When you have a kid with a chronic illness, it affects everybody in the family," she said. "He missed probably half of kindergarten, and half of first grade" because he was too sick to attend school. "He was the kind of kid who'd get a cold, and it would last him the entire winter."
Her son's story does have a happy ending: with determination, medication and some allowances, Patrick has become a star athlete at St. Thomas Academy.
But his mother remembers the worry, too.
"There were many, many nights when you'd stay up all night listening to your child breathe, just to make sure he keeps breathing."
UNEXPLAINED INCREASE
Despite much medical detective work, scientists still do not fully understand the soaring rates for childhood asthma, allergies, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and several other health conditions. Even childhood obesity, although better-understood, has elements that remain puzzling.
"They're all conditions that are pretty common in children, and are increasing," Scheidt said, "and clearly there are multiple factors that are contributing to these conditions -- genetic predisposition, behavior, environmental exposures, the way they're managed."
Minnesota school districts large and small are struggling to meet the ever-rising demand for expensive services.
Ann Hoxie has been a school nurse in the St. Paul public schools for 20 years. Like many frontline professionals, she's seeing much more childhood asthma. In St. Paul, it afflicts at least 8 percent of the students. In Minneapolis, it's 12 percent.
"Last fall was a bad allergy season, and we had lots of kids having problems with asthma, and a fair number of 911 calls, just because we didn't have the right meds for kids. We didn't see nearly so much of that 20 years ago," said Hoxie, the district's administrator for student wellness. "We had a student die of asthma last year. Students don't die at school! But we did have that happen."
The children's study won't focus only on those problems. It will examine many aspects of child development -- including family structure, ethnicity, prenatal care and family income. The hoped-for answers run the gamut, too, with researchers craving insights into the causes of cerebral palsy, schizophrenia and other conditions.
Still, the urgency is being driven by the unexplained spike in childhood conditions. Dr. Duane Alexander, director of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, last month told a Casey Journalism Center seminar that if only some answers emerge, the study's cost will be more than covered.
The study was authorized by Congress back in 2000, but the tough part will be finding the money in the federal budget.
The real money crunch will come in a year, maybe two, Scheidt said, when hundreds of millions of dollars will be needed to start recruiting, then interviewing and tracking, 100,000 parents.
UNCERTAIN OUTCOME
Dr. Sheldon Berkowitz, medical director at Children's Hospitals and Clinics in Minneapolis, notes that studies on this scale are unique and don't always follow predictable lines, so he's a bit wary about the talk of finding root causes.
"The grand scale of it is what's so overwhelming," Berkowitz said of the study. "My guess is that, with a study like this, you're going to have a whole lot of things falling out of this that you never really expected... and you may be disappointed on stuff that you hoped to get."
Berkowitz wondered if a smaller study might be adequate, noting, "I wonder if$2.7 billion is best spent in this way, when there's all these immediate pressing needs for kids."
Scheidt explained that with 100,000 children, researchers will be able to examine large subgroups to compare and contrast.
If the study pins down some hard-to-define problems, that may be useful, too. Thomas Dickhudt, superintendent of the Chisago Lakes school district, knows that more kids are being diagnosed with autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, but he wonders: Are there more sick kids, or just changes in how kids are diagnosed? "That's the part I'm having trouble with," he said.
The U.S. Department of Education tracks soaring rates of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. A decade ago, 83,000 U.S. students were counted in a broad category that included the syndrome. Last year, that had increased nearly fivefold.
Moen is active in the Minnesota Asthma Coalition, where each year she sees more and more children with asthma -- reflecting better diagnosis, she says, but perhaps something more.
She would welcome answers to fears that bedevil a million parents.
"Are we doing something to our children, so to speak, that has caused this? I think that's what everybody wants to know."
CanDo - 21 Oct 2004 01:55 GMT We keep polluting our air with toxins from car exhausts, among other things. For some reason, our society thinks that breathing polluted air is healthy for us and our unborn children. Plus, all of the garbage and sewerage that goes into our oceans and air, each day from the developing world.
A poisoned world will result in this planet being less inhabitable for humans, animals and plants. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
> Quacks scratching their heads > [quoted text clipped - 167 lines] > "Are we doing something to our children, so to speak, that has caused > this? I think that's what everybody wants to know." asdf - 21 Oct 2004 01:58 GMT > We keep polluting our air with toxins from car exhausts, among other things. > For some reason, our society thinks that breathing polluted air is healthy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A poisoned world will result in this planet being less inhabitable for > humans, animals and plants. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. <snip>
Society doesn't think it's healthy. It's just that there is no easy solution at this point. If you could stop generating pollution and garbage you would do it right?
CanDo - 21 Oct 2004 10:43 GMT We should have placed a priority on alternative and renewable fuels DECADES ago. Our country is dependent on a resource, oil, which causes unhealthy pollution, and which is going to less available and much more expensive.
Our energy policy is insane.
> > We keep polluting our air with toxins from car exhausts, among other things. > > For some reason, our society thinks that breathing polluted air is healthy [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > easy solution at this point. If you could stop generating > pollution and garbage you would do it right? Steven Litvintchouk - 21 Oct 2004 03:46 GMT > We keep polluting our air with toxins from car exhausts, among other things. > For some reason, our society thinks that breathing polluted air is healthy [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>More children then ever are contracting asthma, autism and other >>maladies, prompting plans for a major study to find the causes If scientists need a major study to find the causes, then I suggest that no one here leap to conclusions about air pollution or any other popular boogeymen.
Let the scientists do their job and we'll see.
Remember how there were a thousand things they used to blame for peptic ulcers? Emotional stress, "Type A personality," spicy food, too much food, etc. etc. etc.? Research finally revealed it to be a previously unsuspected bacterium--H. pylori.
That should teach us not to blame things we personally don't like (whether it's air pollution or stress) without doing the science first.
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CanDo - 21 Oct 2004 10:50 GMT You can't possibly believe that air pollution is good for one's health?
I don't have to wait for the "pc" scientists to make their findings. Air pollution, coming from fossil fuels, is a major cause of health problems, and it is going to get worse before it gets better.
Have you heard about the Asian Brown Cloud? It is two miles thick, and spreads out over a huge area, including India (which doesn't surprise me). We are slowly choking this planet to death with oil byproducts and through our abuse of the Earth's resources.
I feel sorry for future generations having to breath poisons into their lungs 24 hours per day.
> If scientists need a major study to find the causes, then I suggest that > no one here leap to conclusions about air pollution or any other popular [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That should teach us not to blame things we personally don't like > (whether it's air pollution or stress) without doing the science first. Don Brady - 21 Oct 2004 11:26 GMT >You can't possibly believe that air pollution is good for one's health? It;s one factor and a negative one all right but air quailty in our cities here is already far far better than in many third world cities (as you point out) where I think asthma rates are lower.
>I don't have to wait for the "pc" scientists to make their findings. Air >pollution, coming from fossil fuels, is a major cause of health problems, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I feel sorry for future generations having to breath poisons into their >lungs 24 hours per day. Steven Litvintchouk - 21 Oct 2004 17:53 GMT >>You can't possibly believe that air pollution is good for one's health? > > It;s one factor and a negative one all right but air quailty in our cities here > is already far far better than in many third world cities (as you point out) > where I think asthma rates are lower. I think you mean *outdoor* air quality.
It's now known that *indoor* air pollution can be up to 100 times worse than outdoor air pollution, due to the tightly sealed buildings (to conserve energy), wall-to-wall carpeting, etc.
In the last 20 years, veterinarians have noted a sharp increase in feline asthma (asthma in pet cats). I'll bet feral cats don't have that problem.
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Don Brady - 21 Oct 2004 18:51 GMT >I think you mean *outdoor* air quality. Yes I was referring to outdoor air quality in the context of pollution.
Don Brady - 21 Oct 2004 21:03 GMT >It's now known that *indoor* air pollution can be up to 100 times worse >than outdoor air pollution, due to the tightly sealed buildings (to >conserve energy), wall-to-wall carpeting, etc. > >In the last 20 years, veterinarians have noted a sharp increase in >feline asthma (asthma in pet cats). Wow!
> I'll bet feral cats don't have that >problem. I think indoor air pollution is certainly what did me in.
I was starting to get worse again after surgery until I both (1) stayed away from a somewhat smoky office - now I work at home (2) maximized ventilation at home
Now my nose and sinuses are opening up wider and wider again.
What really made an enormous difference was running a fan out another window all the time during the summer. Just a solid two weeks of that seems to have made a *permanent" change - it finally started to open up on the right as well as the left.
But going back into that office for even half a day sets me back for a day or two.
A can see now exactly where the balance point lies.
It's so funny because other people work in that office for decades and don't react at all....
Steven Litvintchouk - 22 Oct 2004 03:46 GMT >>It's now known that *indoor* air pollution can be up to 100 times worse >>than outdoor air pollution, due to the tightly sealed buildings (to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wow! I wonder if cats are reacting to crud in the wall-to-wall carpeting. After all, unlike humans, they lie down right on the carpeting most of the time.
Here is an asthma inhaler made specifically for pet cats:
http://www.aerokat.com/overview.htm
> I think indoor air pollution is certainly what did me in. > > I was starting to get worse again after surgery until I both > (1) stayed away from a somewhat smoky office - now I work at home What sort of smoke? Cigarette smoke?
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Don Brady - 22 Oct 2004 03:56 GMT >I wonder if cats are reacting to crud in the wall-to-wall carpeting. >After all, unlike humans, they lie down right on the carpeting most of >the time. It could be but that close to the floor all sorts of pollutants are liekly to be concentrated.
>> (1) stayed away from a somewhat smoky office - now I work at home > >What sort of smoke? Cigarette smoke? Yes. Smoking is banned now in most of the building but it still is allowed in the cafeteria and you can smell itr everywhere.
This is a tobacco state and this particular employer is tied to that industry.
I work 99% at home now though....
Steven Litvintchouk - 21 Oct 2004 17:50 GMT > You can't possibly believe that air pollution is good for one's health? Where's the evidence that air pollution causes autism (one of the illnesses cited in Woody Long's cited article)?
> I don't have to wait for the "pc" scientists to make their findings. Air > pollution, coming from fossil fuels, is a major cause of health problems, Scientists don't deny that. But they are trying to learn the specific causes of specific illnesses like autism. I don't think there's any evidence that air pollution causes autism, just like there's no evidence it causes peptic ulcers.
It's not the scientists who are "pc," it's the laypersons who are trying to bend science to fit their own preconceived ideologies. I'll bet you don't feel that the scientists who are trying to prove the magnitude of the global warming problem are "pc". That's because you ideologically agree with that issue but not the other issue.
> Have you heard about the Asian Brown Cloud? It is two miles thick, and > spreads out over a huge area, including India (which doesn't surprise me). > We are slowly choking this planet to death with oil byproducts and through > our abuse of the Earth's resources. We Americans aren't choking this planet to death at all. We've done more to clean up our own air than most Third World countries have. The fact that you have had to cite an example from the Third World is proof of that. Another example of that is the fact that the Kyoto Protocol specifically exempted China and India from the restrictions placed on U.S. greenhouse gases. Why? Because they don't want anybody interfering with their industrialization despite its contribution to greenhouse gas emissions.
I've been to Mexico City and let me tell you, the pollution there is far worse than any place in America--even Los Angeles.
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Layman - 22 Oct 2004 11:03 GMT Haven't read all the post but sounded like CanDo hit the nail on the head as it is probally multiple factors.I have installed flooring commercially for 8 years and have worked in many schools.One big problem i notice is the way they clean the floors without any common sense.I seen these clowns literally hosing down a gym floor(yes they had a garden hose hooked up)then mop it up.They did this right after we layed new tile.I know this cause they called us back and were like "some tiles came loose and we need repairs"This was like the next day after we installed the new floor.Walmart did the same thing but just sloshed water over all the floor with a mop sealed it in with wax.I can't believe these idiots, no common sense when it comes to a simple task as mopping a floor.Water gets uder the tiles and loosens up the glue tiles come loose but not all.You know there is water under there trapped.Water under tiles and behind the wall base and you get toxic black mold.Your kid is playing basketball or whatever they do in the gym and breathes in the killer spores.Gets allergies lung disease etc..lives a life of hell.This is so baffeling.Though i don't believe it anyone thing that is t blame but everything as cando posted.Not to mention half the schools around here still got asbestos tile on the floor.You can always tell asbestos tile from newer tiles by there size.Abs tiles are 8 inches square where modern vct tiles are 12" square.Tiles are 1 percent asbestos the glue used was 3%.Anyway my point being that black mold is probally something that needs to be looked into and people need to stop being so ignorant.I started a job about a year ago and have been sick ever since.Just more than usual this week.Could be the massive infestation of black mold at my workplace might not be.I haven't seen a doctor yet or tested the mold.Noone really seems to be concerned.after reading about black mold it's really scarey and even more scary when you say to yourself.I got all those symptoms.The curse of king tuts tomb makes so much sense.I just hope i live more than 5 years.A couple weeks ago a never really even know what black mold was though it could be killing me as well as your children due to some dumb a.s janitors not having a clue how to do a simple job.I mean weather you know what black mold is or not this is stupid eather way.Sorry about my poor grammar and rambling.What you expect from a construction worker? Just thought i would throw that into the fire.
Layman - 22 Oct 2004 11:04 GMT Haven't read all the post but sounded like CanDo hit the nail on the head as it is probally multiple factors.I have installed flooring commercially for 8 years and have worked in many schools.One big problem i notice is the way they clean the floors without any common sense.I seen these clowns literally hosing down a gym floor(yes they had a garden hose hooked up)then mop it up.They did this right after we layed new tile.I know this cause they called us back and were like "some tiles came loose and we need repairs"This was like the next day after we installed the new floor.Walmart did the same thing but just sloshed water over all the floor with a mop sealed it in with wax.I can't believe these idiots, no common sense when it comes to a simple task as mopping a floor.Water gets uder the tiles and loosens up the glue tiles come loose but not all.You know there is water under there trapped.Water under tiles and behind the wall base and you get toxic black mold.Your kid is playing basketball or whatever they do in the gym and breathes in the killer spores.Gets allergies lung disease etc..lives a life of hell.This is so baffeling.Though i don't believe it anyone thing that is t blame but everything as cando posted.Not to mention half the schools around here still got asbestos tile on the floor.You can always tell asbestos tile from newer tiles by there size.Abs tiles are 8 inches square where modern vct tiles are 12" square.Tiles are 1 percent asbestos the glue used was 3%.Anyway my point being that black mold is probally something that needs to be looked into and people need to stop being so ignorant.I started a job about a year ago and have been sick ever since.Just more than usual this week.Could be the massive infestation of black mold at my workplace might not be.I haven't seen a doctor yet or tested the mold.Noone really seems to be concerned.after reading about black mold it's really scarey and even more scary when you say to yourself.I got all those symptoms.The curse of king tuts tomb makes so much sense.I just hope i live more than 5 years.A couple weeks ago a never really even know what black mold was though it could be killing me as well as your children due to some dumb a.s janitors not having a clue how to do a simple job.I mean weather you know what black mold is or not this is stupid eather way.Sorry about my poor grammar and rambling.What you expect from a construction worker? Just thought i would throw that into the fire.
Layman - 22 Oct 2004 11:42 GMT sorry about posting 2 long uneducated posts.My intention was to post one long uneducated and that would be it.I didn't think my 1st post was gonna go through so i rewrote another
Pamdomania - 21 Oct 2004 04:07 GMT <snip> Are these conditions caused by
>toxins? By genetics? Too much television? Bad diets? Home situations? <snip>
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Layman - 22 Oct 2004 11:35 GMT I have worked in some schools on the floors.Doing removal of asbestos tiles as well as install new floor tiles.One thing that blew me away was the janitors called us back the naxt day saying some tiles came loose.These morons took a garden hose and hosed the gym floor real good.water got under the tiles some to the point where they floated up off the floor completely.Those were the only ones we replaced.The whole dam floor should have been pulled and these guys fired.What were they thinking? you get water under there and behind the baseboards and black mold starts thriving of the construction materials in a perfect enviorment.Your kids are in there doing all this physical activity breathing in real deeply while killer mold spores are flying through the air.While i don't believe the garden hose is a common practice though regular practices are about the same from what i seen.I have seen this done at grocery stores as well.And i don't believe they are using a hospital grade disenfectant and a'm not sure it would matter when your dealing with that much moisture.I'm only a uneducated construction worker so i don't really know but i think it's a very valid point from what i have read about black mold.I got a whole huge section wall full of this stuff at work and have been pretty much sick since i started this new job.I never really knew about black mold untill i started digging around on the internet for facts about it and health.Trying to figure why my sinus problems without seeing a doctor.That's how i found this forum and thought i'd post.Gonna try nasal irrigation and see if it helps me.I haven't had the mold tested at work and it is not my responsibility.Seems there's a big lack of concern for the fellow man when it comes to money.If i'm being poisoned at work from toxic mold and kids are as well in schools then people need to get off there a.ses and find out why.Seems the ball is just getting rolling on this black mold issue but after alot more people get sick and die it's gonna be huge.Just wondering how many kids will need live a life of hell before we find solid answers as to why.Kinda makes you think that's what they want.but i'm pretty sick at the present and can't really think to clear with these sinus problems making me dizzy giving me headaches etc...
Layman - 22 Oct 2004 11:36 GMT I have worked in some schools on the floors.Doing removal of asbestos tiles as well as install new floor tiles.One thing that blew me away was the janitors called us back the naxt day saying some tiles came loose.These morons took a garden hose and hosed the gym floor real good.water got under the tiles some to the point where they floated up off the floor completely.Those were the only ones we replaced.The whole dam floor should have been pulled and these guys fired.What were they thinking? you get water under there and behind the baseboards and black mold starts thriving of the construction materials in a perfect enviorment.Your kids are in there doing all this physical activity breathing in real deeply while killer mold spores are flying through the air.While i don't believe the garden hose is a common practice though regular practices are about the same from what i seen.I have seen this done at grocery stores as well.And i don't believe they are using a hospital grade disenfectant and a'm not sure it would matter when your dealing with that much moisture.I'm only a uneducated construction worker so i don't really know but i think it's a very valid point from what i have read about black mold.I got a whole huge section wall full of this stuff at work and have been pretty much sick since i started this new job.I never really knew about black mold untill i started digging around on the internet for facts about it and health.Trying to figure why my sinus problems without seeing a doctor.That's how i found this forum and thought i'd post.Gonna try nasal irrigation and see if it helps me.I haven't had the mold tested at work and it is not my responsibility.Seems there's a big lack of concern for the fellow man when it comes to money.If i'm being poisoned at work from toxic mold and kids are as well in schools then people need to get off there a.ses and find out why.Seems the ball is just getting rolling on this black mold issue but after alot more people get sick and die it's gonna be huge.Just wondering how many kids will need live a life of hell before we find solid answers as to why.Kinda makes you think that's what they want.but i'm pretty sick at the present and can't really think to clear with these sinus problems making me dizzy giving me headaches etc...
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