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My case. Any help welcome.
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antonio salcedo - 08 Oct 2004 20:27 GMT Just back from my ENT. Mr. Kalpesh Patel. www.entconsultant.com
My CT Scan is ugly.
Except for the frontal, all my sinuses are almost completely fulled up. All ethmoids, and right sphenoid included.
Even the frontal seems to not have any drainage at all.
Plus there is some calcification in the maxilary that the doctor says, may indicate fungus.
And nothing comes out when irrigating! It just feels solid, completely clogged.
According to the doctor, it looks like there is plenty of blockage due to polyps.
I am starting a 28 day Clarithromycin 500mg course, accompanied with Prednisolone 30mg steroid, Betnesol (Betamethasone, Celestone)steroid and antibiotic nose drops and Flixonase (Flonase) steroid spray.
I have just finised two courses of other antibiotics. Chances are this one won't work either, in which case, surgery will follow.
My third operation. And, according to the doctor, the more you operate the sinuses, the more scaring and the less normal cilia function (if any).
I have now a very discomforting chest pain, that seems infected too.
If anybody knows a well respected ENT surgeon in London, UK, please let me know.
Antonio
Pamdomania - 09 Oct 2004 00:03 GMT >Just back from my ENT. Mr. Kalpesh Patel. www.entconsultant.com > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Antonio Hello, I feel you arenot listening. Antibiotics make fungus worse. Cortisone makes fungus worse. Yes get the polyps out. I had polypectomies all my adult life, and have no known changes in my sinuses. One of the surgeries was where they go up under your flesh on your face. When i went for that one, my son laughingly said the Doc wasnot going to get my cheeks back on straight, when i told them in the surgery room, what he said, the silence was deafening - i thought it was funny too though . . . Go here: http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html until you can get to a NORTHERN Mayo Clinic. This Dixie Mayo i went to is a laff and a half . . . and they admit it. The Japanese are coming up with some good things, however. So hang in there; stay strong and healthy, and stay away from Docs. as much as you can. Think Health Food Store. Be sure to read everything here not just your own, because there are answers for you right here if you will just read us . . . ALL OF US . . . ALL OF IT . . . You are very lucky to have alt.support.sinusitis, so read all of it. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6
antonio salcedo - 09 Oct 2004 19:39 GMT > >Just back from my ENT. Mr. Kalpesh Patel. www.entconsultant.com > > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> I must admit that you may well have a point.
Two cultures of my nose and throat did not grow any pathogen.
I have always been prone to skin rushes caused by fungus and that I easily cleared with creams.
Sometimes white mucus (not transparent) comes from my nose after irrigating.
I have always had a sweet tooth.
How do I find out/test for fungus?
(Sorry, some of my questions may have been answered many times here, but I don't seem to have access to the archives)
What is the best Mayo clinic? I may go.
I will continue with this abx+steroid treatment. Antibiotics have worked before and it is one alternative I have to give a try to. Perhaps I have both, bacterial and fungus infections.
Many thanks.
Pamdomania - 10 Oct 2004 03:18 GMT >> >Just back from my ENT. Mr. Kalpesh Patel. www.entconsultant.com >> > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > >Many thanks. Hello,
Every time i go to my ENT i wind up with a Staph infection in my sinuses. I think this time i go back to him i am going to tell him. So, yes, you probably have both.
You are in too deep to stop your present medications, however that doesnot mean you cannot start the other, after you get your polyps out - well that is silly, you can start right now - today, and then get serious about it after your surgery is all healed up. See about what i am speaking by reading the enclosed.
There is a war going on about the fungus in the sinuses, and the people fighting against the theory are the type of people that punch below the belt, so just stay out of the fight and do the best you can with what you find where you are. Here is some information for you to think about, and get you started in the right direction for when the time comes that someone will be there for you: `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ````` First thing for anyone with sinus trouble is to use and eat natural, organic yogurt. You cannot handle milk? Tough luck; there is no replacement, so try the trade off, because perhaps you have allergy to begin with because of the fungus.
Here are all the things you need to know to get started:: `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ?Killing Fungi? http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html Herbs Etc. Products for sinus (self-help): http://www.discount-vitamins-herbs.net/Sinus-allergy.htm More Good Stuff to Know: http://www.candidafree.net/pages/3/ http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/dental/candida.htm http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=1263 http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/patents/patents.htm?serial_NO=8405109 http://www.panhandle.unl.edu/paa/html/abstracts_3.html http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth/facts/genitourinary.htm http://www.ferretlove.co.uk/willow.htm http://fibromyalgia.lifetips.com/faq.asp__Q__SiteID__E__652__A__QuestionID__E__75991__ A__type__E__0 http://www.pennysaved.com/compoundx.htm http://www.askwaltstollmd.com/archives/lgs/62080.html http://www.baromedical.com/newsletter/bartlettarticle.html http://www.doctorfungus.com/thefungi/Candida_spp.htm Gentian Violet is great for fungus! Yogurt is a must!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` A neat statement to remember: ?Amphotericin B The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with virtually none of the side effects? ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing any inflammation. Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke intense inflammation and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones of the facial skeleton and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and brain (Mucormycosis) Continued at: http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Researchers at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic sinusitis? http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Grapefruit seed extracts: http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic639.htm ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray is: 3 months; 5 squirts each nostral; 2 times aday; Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, and only done twice aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html The Sinus Flooding Procedure: a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the mattress so the nostrils are pointing straight up toward the ceiling. b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. Keep filling each nostril until the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same position for 2 to 3 minutes. c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the edge of the mattress. Remain in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse drain out through the nose. (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILABLE) d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses 45 minutes apart constitute a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per day. Relief will typically be noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus infection to be gone within three days. e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very persistent infections may require five to seven day or more. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack and must be kept refrigerated. Only a one month's supply at a time is available, because it is so perishable, however i finally found a "Dixie" Mayo Clinic near me and am now using the "wash", not "drops", and is $50.00 cheaper than the above-mentioned drugstore. ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the Internet. It is nice to know if you absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can quickly get off of it :
?Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with systemic antifungals once invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can be replaced by ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control?.
AND AGAIN:
?Acute invasive fungal sinusitis Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. Initiate systemic antifungal treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B once the acute stage has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if possible, is desirable.?
Picture of chronic sinusitis: http://www.med.sc.edu:1000/chronicsinusitis.htm
A tour of the nose and sinuses: Virtual Sinus Laboratory http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/lab.cfm ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Here are some interesting things for you to see: http://www.commoncold.org/cmplcatn.htm http://www.commoncold.org/cmplcat1.htm http://www.servier.com/imgs/pro/locabiotal/faq/visu_15.jpg http://home.hawaii.rr.com/dochazenfield/images/tongue3-A.gif ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` The last thing i must say is unless you are on your death-bed, use Amphotericin B only as a nasal spray/wash, because it can and has caused heart attack when taken internally http://health.yahoo.com/health/ency/adam/003504/treatment http://www.umc-cares.org/health_info/ADAM/Articles/003503.asp Another thing: they say the body doesnot absorb the amphotericin B nasal wash from the nose, however i amnot nursing one hurtfulashell Gout, which i have never had in my life, for nothing. I called the Jacksonville drugstore and asked if Amphotericin B causes Gout, and the liars said, no, and here is your proof that it does (hyperuricemia shows up as Secondary Gout) under Adverse Reactions (at the bottom, last line of the fine print): http://www.cancernetwork.com/drugs/Abelcet.htm Here is a picture of what i now look like: http://www.aafp.org/afp/990215ap/925_f1.jpg As soon as i stopped my Amphotericin B nasal wash, my sinuses showed yellow discharge; the Candida/Aspergillus is enjoying the lull, and i have now made an appointment with the Mayo Clinic, since this entire thing is their findings. ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6
antonio salcedo - 10 Oct 2004 09:05 GMT > >> >Just back from my ENT. Mr. Kalpesh Patel. www.entconsultant.com > >> > [quoted text clipped - 272 lines] > with the Mayo > Clinic, since this entire thing is their findings. Wow, this is a lot good information.
I am going to ask my ENT to test me for fungus and proceed from there.
Concerning yogurt, don't they say diary is bad because it increases mucus secretion?
I have taken yogurt all my life. I am now taking also good bacteria capsules.
Many thanks, indeed.
Shirley Thebaglady - 10 Oct 2004 12:15 GMT Yogurt- I have used the Soy yogurt (Stonyfield) it is organic. It has helped with stomach problems and my sinus infections too. I buy mine at my local food store- Stop and Shop.
I use to get a lot of sinus infections and had stomach ulcers in the past.
I am lactate intolerance.
shirley
iamthezookeeper - 10 Oct 2004 14:28 GMT Your sinus history sounds a lot like mine and many others and the course of treatment you are on seems the general way to go before surgical intervention. Can't help you with the ENT search in your country, hopefully someone can though. You will most likely find relief with the sytemtic and nasal steroids and antibiotics. I agree your good bacteria will be destroyed with this though and besides eating true acidophilis yogurt and capsules you can add a product called ADP that will kill candida if you have it. Acidophilis can't get rid of candida though it can help control it once it is gone. You can ask your ENT for a blood test for systemic candida though many physicians don't believe it exists. Mine was negative though my sinus cultures came back positive for candida, pseudomonas, and staph which we have normally and mine were out of control. Good luck and let us know what you find. Trudy.
Pamdomania - 10 Oct 2004 18:32 GMT <snip>
>and staph which we have normally <snip>
Hello, Yeah, like dogs "normally" have fleas . . . Kids "normally" have headlice . . . Scabbies . . . Crabs . . . Did you know Leprosy has been recently classified as as parasitic - they should re-name it "Israel" . . . + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6
iamthezookeeper - 15 Oct 2004 15:28 GMT Yes. Normal. We have many bacteria in our bodies that when in check don't cause any problems...it is the overgrowth that gets us in trouble. Go to a microbiology site and look up all "normal" bacteria in the body...you'll be amazed. Trudy.
Pamdomania - 10 Oct 2004 16:01 GMT Hello, Cows' milk is bad (really bad for babies). The sugar in the cows' milk is for a thousand-pound animal, so overwhelms humans - think goats' milk. Organic yogurt willnot hurt you, and is the only way you can get real acidophilus, and/or to get it to work. I wish they made it in goats' milk or better yet soy milk or rice milk etc. Very often the "pill" etc. you purchase off the shelf is dead by time you take it. I took an antibiotic that gave me such pain in the colon i had to go to the emergency room. While there i began to get my brains back, and realized i should be taking acidophilus for the pain. I fled from there and purchased the best and most expensive you can purchase (i use to take it but stopped), and it did nothing to stop the pain; then more of my brains started to come back (amazing what real pain will do for the mind), and i remembered why i had stopped taking that worthless stuff. Finally i went to the grocery store; purchased organic yogurt; ran out to the car and ate; by time i got home the pain was all gone . . . Soooooo, you have no choice - yogurt it is if you want the acidophilus to work for you.
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>> >I must admit that you may well have a point. >> > [quoted text clipped - 216 lines] > >Many thanks, indeed. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6
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