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plastic vs ENT surgical approaches for turbinates

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african grey parrot - 24 Aug 2004 17:55 GMT
I met with a fairly prominent local facial plastic surgeon yesterday
(through UCSF) about my nasal obstruction. He wants to correct the
deviated septum, put in alar batten grafts, and "reposition" the
turbinates. It's not a submucous resection or partial turbinectomy,
but a vaguely classifiable procedure (turbinoplasty?) that does an
outfracture of the bone and then moves the turbinates. No tissue is
removed.

Any opinions on this plastic surgery approach relative to the standard
ENT approach of SMR/partial turbinectomy? I'm wondering if it will
even do much of anything... he said it's very conservative and that
the risk was skewed toward the surgery being ineffective rather than
excessive.

Like all nasal procedures, there are no longitudinal studies exceeding
5 years or so, which doesn't help me much.

Thanks,

Brian
iamthezookeeper - 25 Aug 2004 00:24 GMT
I think I would only go to a surgeon that has performed hundreds if not
thousands of surgeries in the sinus. The danger of optic nerve damage and
brain leakage makes me nervous even will some of the best this country has
to offer. I would check with the plastic surgeon to see how many of these
he has done and his success rate. Just my .02 worth. Trudy.
Don Brady - 25 Aug 2004 03:08 GMT
>I met with a fairly prominent local facial plastic surgeon yesterday
>(through UCSF) about my nasal obstruction. He wants to correct the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Like all nasal procedures, there are no longitudinal studies exceeding
>5 years or so, which doesn't help me much.

Personally I would want ENT work done by an experienced sinus surgeon only.

Why did you even see a plastic surgeon?  Are there esthetic aspects to this?
african grey parrot - 25 Aug 2004 15:31 GMT
My ENT at UCSF referred me to him... this is through UC-SF, which is
one of the top 10 ENT clinics so it's hard to be too skeptical.  The
ENT thought batten grafts would be useful to help combat the valve
collapse (structural flaw) in my nose, and that's where the expertise
of a plastic surgeon helps.  There is nothing cosmetic about this.
The plastic surgeon has done tons of nasal obstruction work.  The more
I learn, the more I've come to understand that plastic surgery on the
nose is often for a combination of functional and aesthetic reasons,
so for my functional problem I'm open to it.

My concern is that "repositioning" the turbinates is too conservative.
My research has led me to believe that endoscopic use of a
microdebrider to remove some submucosal tissue is the best method, but
it sounds like he just does an outfracture.

> >I met with a fairly prominent local facial plastic surgeon yesterday
> >(through UCSF) about my nasal obstruction. He wants to correct the
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>
> Why did you even see a plastic surgeon?  Are there esthetic aspects to this?
Don Brady - 25 Aug 2004 22:50 GMT
>My ENT at UCSF referred me to him... this is through UC-SF, which is
>one of the top 10 ENT clinics so it's hard to be too skeptical.  The
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>nose is often for a combination of functional and aesthetic reasons,
>so for my functional problem I'm open to it.

Oh ok.  I would be cautious all the same.  

I would get some second opinions personally.   One can't afford to be a guinea
pig for new theories.

You will find that there are all sorts of schools of thought as to the best way
to treat any given situation.

Now, maybe it is all well established and A-OK, but I would just want to be
sure.

>My concern is that "repositioning" the turbinates is too conservative.
> My research has led me to believe that endoscopic use of a
>microdebrider to remove some submucosal tissue is the best method, but
>it sounds like he just does an outfracture.
ENTconsult - 29 Aug 2004 08:02 GMT
I have to disagree about seeking other methods.  Inserting battens to support a
collapsing nasal border is standard stuff and gettng other opinions is a waste
of time and money.. The sides of the nose collapse on inhallation. So you place
battens. Not a rocket science.  
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Don Brady - 29 Aug 2004 08:38 GMT
>  Inserting battens to support a
>collapsing nasal border is standard stuff and gettng other opinions is a waste
>of time and money.. The sides of the nose collapse on inhallation. So you place
>battens. Not a rocket science.  

I stand corrected then.  Sorry for the error.

So it is not at all odd to refer that out to a plastic sugeon rather than
having it done by an ENT?
 
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