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Paul Esche - 27 Jul 2004 03:52 GMT
I feel like such a dumbass for listening to my "doctors."

I've had problems with my sinuses off and on for a long time. I went to a GP
and the doctor told me that there were some real problems that needed to be
looked at straight away. She indicated cancer as a possibility and said she
would pray for me and recommended an ENT.

I went to the ENT and had him look at the problem area and he said it wasn't
a cancer but that I had other problem with my sinuses that could only be
resolved through surgery. He came to this conclusion with simple diagnostic
tools like looking at mt ears, throat and in my nose. Never any suggestion
of xrays or cat scans. Not having insurance at the time I couldn't afford
the $4k plus he wanted to do the job so I essentially suffered with a slowly
worsening problem. I used a jala neti and a hydro-pulse as well as some OTC
remedies and various snake oils and herbs with varying degrees of success.

I took this ENT's word as gospel and just suffered through.

I recently had occasion to visit a GP for a sinus infection that was hurting
my teeth and ear on one side. She's not actually a MD, she's a nurse
practioner. When asked about other health problems I mentioned my sinuses
and she had a look.

She gave me Zithromax, Claritin, Mucinex, and Rhinocort Aqua.

The infection slowly cleared up and I started feeling a little better every
day. It's been two weeks and I feel better than I have in years. I wake up
clear and refreshed, no more weird smells, my ears feel wide open, my breath
is fresh, and I have more energy.

I really feel good and I go out walking and biking everyday.

What really gets me is that this ENT essentially did nothing. He charged me
$175 USD for a five minute visit and said "you need surgery" and sent me on
my way to feel like crap for the next couple of years.

I don't know where I'm going with this letter, I just started writing. I'm
pissed at these doctors and feel like there is a part of my life where the
full pleasure of living has been needlessly taken away.

If anyone gets the bum's rush like I did I hope you find a better doctor. I
wish everyone the best and I feel truly blessed by my newfound health.
Flash - 27 Jul 2004 17:51 GMT
I just saw a general practioner two days ago that
actually got crappy with me because I was irrigating,
garling with salt water, and taking vitamins.  He
was something else, he kept reminding me I was *just
a lay person* and to stop with all the big words and
diagnosis.  The guy was a punk; yet he was a MD.
knob - 27 Jul 2004 19:53 GMT
> I just saw a general practioner two days ago that
> actually got crappy with me because I was irrigating,
> garling with salt water, and taking vitamins.  He
> was something else, he kept reminding me I was *just
> a lay person* and to stop with all the big words and
> diagnosis.  The guy was a punk; yet he was a MD.

One ENT I saw got crappy with me for suggesting fungus
and mycoplasma as possible causes.  She said "I'm not
going to test you for it and I'm not going to treat you
for it".  I never went back.
Flash - 28 Jul 2004 00:05 GMT
> One ENT I saw got crappy with me for suggesting fungus
> and mycoplasma as possible causes.  She said "I'm not
> going to test you for it and I'm not going to treat you
> for it".  I never went back.

Wow.  What the heck is wrong with testing to know
for sure ...  That is so ridiculous.  And, I don't get
it.  I thought that these people were eductated in how
to interact in a positive way with their patients.  My
experiance lately is that their ego's are being challenged
because "lay people" are coming in with knowledge that the
patients were not privy to in years past ...

My experiance the other day makes me want to go to med
school, seeing how I was already using all of the forbidden
words ... ( the guy actually told me to stop saying "sinus
infection" because I wasn't qualified to make a diagnosis!)
Pamdomania - 28 Jul 2004 00:15 GMT
>I just saw a general practioner two days ago that
>actually got crappy with me because I was irrigating,
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Hello,

I am sorry these people act in such a manner, especially
when they are supposed to be helping a person helplessly
in pain and paying for help. The only difference between
him and you is he has a license to help you get well and
charge you for it. His having a license doesnot automatically
make you stupid, as a matter of fact i am sure you know
more about your body than does he. I have a wonderful
Doc. that helps me get well, even when i do come up with
crazy ideas he just protects me from myself, and makes
sure i make no tragic mistakes. Your Doc. has ego mania
and isnot interested in you as a person. For God sakes go
shopping for a real man/woman that really wants to help YOU,
and not only himself to your Medical Insurance.

If you have sinus trouble you really should be seeing an
Ear, Nose and Throat Specialist, and your Doc Quack should
have sent you to one my now.  
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Paul Esche - 27 Jul 2004 20:55 GMT
It's been 15 days since I started my latest therapy. I completed the
Zithromazx in three doses so that drug is finished. I'm continuing with the
Rhinocort Aqua and Claritin and I still feel great. I just hope it lasts.

I'm still using my hydropulse and neti pot. More for the effect of removing
irritants like dust and molds that I may be exposed to. I fix pc's and some
are quite dusty. I make sure I go outside when blowing the dust out but I
still get a nose full sometimes by accident.

> I feel like such a dumbass for listening to my "doctors."
>
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> If anyone gets the bum's rush like I did I hope you find a better doctor. I
> wish everyone the best and I feel truly blessed by my newfound health.
Pamdomania - 28 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT
>I feel like such a dumbass for listening to my "doctors."
>
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>If anyone gets the bum's rush like I did I hope you find a better doctor. I
>wish everyone the best and I feel truly blessed by my newfound health.

Hello,
How come you donot wear a simple, little surgical face mask?
You have sinusitis and as soon as the medication wears off it
will be back in all its fury. As i have said elsewhere on
this board: Mayo Clinc has just found 96% of sinus problems
are fungal. You need to go to an Ear, Nose and Throat
Specialist that knows about the Mayo Clinic therapy with
the Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal lavage wash. Please
listen to me: this is NEW. They have finally accepted the
fact it is FUNGAL. Probably because the bug spray that was
supposed to be safe for humans, which is a fungus, is now
showing up in our sinuses as sinus disease of the-new-kind. Ha . . . Donot
take Amphotericin B deoxycholate  any other
way, but nasal, because it causes heart attack . . . Believe
me, big trouble is a brewing . . . Corporate Society does it again . . .
with their stupid, greed-stricken inventions.      
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Paul Esche - 28 Jul 2004 02:43 GMT
Again, The surgical mask is a simple idea that I didn't think of. Thank-you

> >I feel like such a dumbass for listening to my "doctors."
> >
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> "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

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turbinates - 29 Jul 2004 01:35 GMT
You are lucky.

If you went through that needless surgery, your entirely could have
been taken away.

GPs are the most useless professional workers that I came across.

Majority of ENTs are too arrogant and lazy to dignose a condition
properly. They are using the assembly line approach to the waiting
line of patients.

You see, with 5 mins, he earn $175, with a possible $4k for 1/2 hours
of surgery.

If he checked your condition carefully, and cured it with normal
medication, he earn much less in term of revenue per time.

Never trust a privately practice clinician.

With 1 hours checking your condition,
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Don Brady - 28 Jul 2004 05:31 GMT
>How come you donot wear a simple, little surgical face mask?
>You have sinusitis and as soon as the medication wears off it
>will be back in all its fury. As i have said elsewhere on
>this board: Mayo Clinc has just found 96% of sinus problems
>are fungal.

That study is years old, actually, and it did *not* conclude that 96% of sinus
infections are caused by fungi.   Moreover, most other universities and
researchers have largely discounted the findings.

>You need to go to an Ear, Nose and Throat
>Specialist that knows about the Mayo Clinic therapy with
>the Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal lavage wash.

Most people here who have tried this appraoch have not found it to be useful.
 
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