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Any deivice which could simply prevent the turbinates from swelling

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Edward Tolbert - 09 Jun 2004 17:44 GMT
I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates.  The doctor who
performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates
with a knife.  However, he warned me that my allergies may still cause
my turbinates to swell more (An allergist was unable to determine what
I'm allergic to).

(This part below is really my question.)
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I was wondering if any doctor has experimented with a device which
might simply put a small amount of pressure on the turbinates
themselves thereby preventing them from swelling?
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It occurs to me that if multiple treatment modalities were employed
for the same problem (nasonex, flournase, Allegra 180 need I go on)
then maybe the patient would feel better even if the reason for
turbinate swelling is not eliminated.  I personally know that I have
tried many different treatment methods, and haven't found one as yet
that actually prevents my turbinates from swelling.  I know that this
is my problem, because when the swelling is reduced, even temporarily,
I feel great.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 03:52 GMT
>I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates.  The doctor who
>performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates
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>
>Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

The only way is going to be to give them fresh clean air (no allergens and no
irritants).
Mr_C - 10 Jun 2004 05:38 GMT
what were the three surgeries? How well is the last one working?

Thx.

andrew
David Hodgson - 10 Jun 2004 10:02 GMT
Hi Edward,

I am exactly the same as you, tried everything and turbinates still swollen.

I'd love to see an answer to your question!

Dave

> I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates.  The doctor who
> performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates
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>
> Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 11:10 GMT
>Hi Edward,
>
>I am exactly the same as you, tried everything and turbinates still swollen.
>
>I'd love to see an answer to your question!

They are swelling because they are extremely irritated by allergens and
irritants.  That is part of their job, to protect the deeper passages from bad
air.  But the equation breaks down when  the irritation is chronic.

If you gave them more room, they would probably just swell more.   That is what
they do if the septum is displaced - the turbinate with extra room swells up to
more fully occupy the empty space,

They are very very picky organs.  I see a dramatic effect in myself depending
on whether I can avoid bad air.

Often, nasal stteriod sprays do help.   They help me....
David Hodgson - 10 Jun 2004 16:26 GMT
I agree but if the allergist can't find anything then you need to control it
somehow, life is intolerable unless some sort of qulity of life is returned,
either by an op, device or spray.

> >Hi Edward,
> >
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>
> Often, nasal stteriod sprays do help.   They help me....
Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 21:37 GMT
>I agree but if the allergist can't find anything then you need to control it
>somehow, life is intolerable unless some sort of qulity of life is returned,
>either by an op, device or spray.

It does not have to be an allergy.

Any irritation will suffice.

For example, there is one work building I go into where smoking is allowed in
parts.  I am only in it for a few hours a week or less.  But going in for 2
hours causes my turbinates to swell for a day or two,

After I had sinus surgery, it literally caused bleeding to go into that
building.
ENTconsult - 10 Jun 2004 19:19 GMT
I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing
your symptoms.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Edward Tolbert - 13 Jun 2004 23:18 GMT
> I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing
> your symptoms.
> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com

I believe that my swollen turbinates blocks my sinus drainage which
has been causing me a lot of problems with ear infections and etc.   I
also believe that this reduction of my air flow in combination with
the blocked sinus passages causes signficant problems.  I've noticed
over the years that my fatigue (feeling depressed) and sleep apnea can
actually be correlated to nasal swelling.  When I had the sleep apnea
test done, my nasal passages were so blocked that I scored extremely
high on it.

Actually, I accidently found a crude way of accomplishing just the
thing that I asked the question about.  Ever since I been putting
pressure on the turbinates to reduce swelling, my energy level has
gone through the roof.   However, knowing that my crude method does
not take into account things that can cause infections and etc.  I
would be more comfortable if a surgically safe way to prevent it was
accomplished.  For me, I knew I had to use my crude method while
working as hard possible to lose weight--I also no longer crave food
as much and am able to lose weight more effectively.  I am hoping that
significant weight loss will also have a dramatic effect on this
issue. By the way, every member of my family notices a signficant
difference in my ability to function, and my attitude (less tired and
depressed--I act more like my old self) since I carried out my little
experiment.  They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after
seeing the results for themselves, they are believers.
turbinates - 16 Jun 2004 04:07 GMT
Hi Edward,

What is your crude method for putting pressure on the swollen turbinates?

rgds.
> > I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing
> > your symptoms.
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> experiment.  They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after
> seeing the results for themselves, they are believers.
Edward Tolbert - 25 Jun 2004 00:26 GMT
> Hi Edward,
>
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> > experiment.  They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after
> > seeing the results for themselves, they are believers.

If you send me a private message at edward_tolbert@mindspring.com, I will explain.
ARoberts - 25 Jun 2004 14:34 GMT
> > Hi Edward,
> >
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>
> If you send me a private message at edward_tolbert@mindspring.com, I will explain.

Right.  You've posted here twice about your "crude method" and haven't given
a single detail about it--just the putative benefits.  One would think that
in all the verbiage you could explain something so "crude."  You'll explain
only in private messages.  Sounds like a come-on.
Flash - 25 Jun 2004 17:55 GMT
> Right.  You've posted here twice about your "crude method" and haven't given
> a single detail about it--just the putative benefits.  One would think that
> in all the verbiage you could explain something so "crude."  You'll explain
> only in private messages.  Sounds like a come-on.

Agreed.
Flash - 10 Jun 2004 19:59 GMT
> ************************************************
>  I was wondering if any doctor has experimented with a device which
> might simply put a small amount of pressure on the turbinates
> themselves thereby preventing them from swelling?
> ************************************************

I'm not aware of such a device.  I must say, however, that
I believe it imperative you continue to pursue an answer to
the cause of turbinate inflammation.  The way I see it, the
inflammation is a symptom, and the cause of inflammation is the
problem.  Therefore, I think if you physically suppress the
swelling of the turbinates, other "backlash" symptoms will
materialize.
ENTconsult - 13 Jun 2004 18:16 GMT
Swollen turbinates
In some patients there are permanent changes that take place - increased
vascular lakes, channels, etc and they will no longer shrink with
vasoconstrictors.
Thats one kind.
In others there is severe allergy/ infection but they will shrink with
medication. That's another kind.
If your is the first kind, then it is more "natural" to have this corrected by
surgery than to keep taking pills and sprays .
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Don Brady - 13 Jun 2004 21:24 GMT
>Swollen turbinates
>In some patients there are permanent changes that take place - increased
>vascular lakes, channels, etc and they will no longer shrink with
>vasoconstrictors.

Ah that is very helpful to know.....

>Thats one kind.
>In others there is severe allergy/ infection but they will shrink with
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com
 
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