Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / June 2004
Any deivice which could simply prevent the turbinates from swelling
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Edward Tolbert - 09 Jun 2004 17:44 GMT I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates. The doctor who performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates with a knife. However, he warned me that my allergies may still cause my turbinates to swell more (An allergist was unable to determine what I'm allergic to).
(This part below is really my question.) ************************************************ I was wondering if any doctor has experimented with a device which might simply put a small amount of pressure on the turbinates themselves thereby preventing them from swelling? ************************************************
It occurs to me that if multiple treatment modalities were employed for the same problem (nasonex, flournase, Allegra 180 need I go on) then maybe the patient would feel better even if the reason for turbinate swelling is not eliminated. I personally know that I have tried many different treatment methods, and haven't found one as yet that actually prevents my turbinates from swelling. I know that this is my problem, because when the swelling is reduced, even temporarily, I feel great.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 03:52 GMT >I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates. The doctor who >performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Any thoughts would be much appreciated. The only way is going to be to give them fresh clean air (no allergens and no irritants).
Mr_C - 10 Jun 2004 05:38 GMT what were the three surgeries? How well is the last one working?
Thx.
andrew
David Hodgson - 10 Jun 2004 10:02 GMT Hi Edward,
I am exactly the same as you, tried everything and turbinates still swollen.
I'd love to see an answer to your question!
Dave
> I have had three operations to reduce my turbinates. The doctor who > performed the last operation physically removed some of my turbinates [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 11:10 GMT >Hi Edward, > >I am exactly the same as you, tried everything and turbinates still swollen. > >I'd love to see an answer to your question! They are swelling because they are extremely irritated by allergens and irritants. That is part of their job, to protect the deeper passages from bad air. But the equation breaks down when the irritation is chronic.
If you gave them more room, they would probably just swell more. That is what they do if the septum is displaced - the turbinate with extra room swells up to more fully occupy the empty space,
They are very very picky organs. I see a dramatic effect in myself depending on whether I can avoid bad air.
Often, nasal stteriod sprays do help. They help me....
David Hodgson - 10 Jun 2004 16:26 GMT I agree but if the allergist can't find anything then you need to control it somehow, life is intolerable unless some sort of qulity of life is returned, either by an op, device or spray.
> >Hi Edward, > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Often, nasal stteriod sprays do help. They help me.... Don Brady - 10 Jun 2004 21:37 GMT >I agree but if the allergist can't find anything then you need to control it >somehow, life is intolerable unless some sort of qulity of life is returned, >either by an op, device or spray. It does not have to be an allergy.
Any irritation will suffice.
For example, there is one work building I go into where smoking is allowed in parts. I am only in it for a few hours a week or less. But going in for 2 hours causes my turbinates to swell for a day or two,
After I had sinus surgery, it literally caused bleeding to go into that building.
ENTconsult - 10 Jun 2004 19:19 GMT I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing your symptoms. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
Edward Tolbert - 13 Jun 2004 23:18 GMT > I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing > your symptoms. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com I believe that my swollen turbinates blocks my sinus drainage which has been causing me a lot of problems with ear infections and etc. I also believe that this reduction of my air flow in combination with the blocked sinus passages causes signficant problems. I've noticed over the years that my fatigue (feeling depressed) and sleep apnea can actually be correlated to nasal swelling. When I had the sleep apnea test done, my nasal passages were so blocked that I scored extremely high on it.
Actually, I accidently found a crude way of accomplishing just the thing that I asked the question about. Ever since I been putting pressure on the turbinates to reduce swelling, my energy level has gone through the roof. However, knowing that my crude method does not take into account things that can cause infections and etc. I would be more comfortable if a surgically safe way to prevent it was accomplished. For me, I knew I had to use my crude method while working as hard possible to lose weight--I also no longer crave food as much and am able to lose weight more effectively. I am hoping that significant weight loss will also have a dramatic effect on this issue. By the way, every member of my family notices a signficant difference in my ability to function, and my attitude (less tired and depressed--I act more like my old self) since I carried out my little experiment. They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after seeing the results for themselves, they are believers.
turbinates - 16 Jun 2004 04:07 GMT Hi Edward,
What is your crude method for putting pressure on the swollen turbinates?
rgds.
> > I can only guess, but I doubt if swelling of the turbinates is what is causing > > your symptoms. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > experiment. They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after > seeing the results for themselves, they are believers. Edward Tolbert - 25 Jun 2004 00:26 GMT > Hi Edward, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > experiment. They were extremely sceptical at first, but now, after > > seeing the results for themselves, they are believers. If you send me a private message at edward_tolbert@mindspring.com, I will explain.
ARoberts - 25 Jun 2004 14:34 GMT > > Hi Edward, > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > If you send me a private message at edward_tolbert@mindspring.com, I will explain. Right. You've posted here twice about your "crude method" and haven't given a single detail about it--just the putative benefits. One would think that in all the verbiage you could explain something so "crude." You'll explain only in private messages. Sounds like a come-on.
Flash - 25 Jun 2004 17:55 GMT > Right. You've posted here twice about your "crude method" and haven't given > a single detail about it--just the putative benefits. One would think that > in all the verbiage you could explain something so "crude." You'll explain > only in private messages. Sounds like a come-on. Agreed.
Flash - 10 Jun 2004 19:59 GMT > ************************************************ > I was wondering if any doctor has experimented with a device which > might simply put a small amount of pressure on the turbinates > themselves thereby preventing them from swelling? > ************************************************ I'm not aware of such a device. I must say, however, that I believe it imperative you continue to pursue an answer to the cause of turbinate inflammation. The way I see it, the inflammation is a symptom, and the cause of inflammation is the problem. Therefore, I think if you physically suppress the swelling of the turbinates, other "backlash" symptoms will materialize.
ENTconsult - 13 Jun 2004 18:16 GMT Swollen turbinates In some patients there are permanent changes that take place - increased vascular lakes, channels, etc and they will no longer shrink with vasoconstrictors. Thats one kind. In others there is severe allergy/ infection but they will shrink with medication. That's another kind. If your is the first kind, then it is more "natural" to have this corrected by surgery than to keep taking pills and sprays . Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
Don Brady - 13 Jun 2004 21:24 GMT >Swollen turbinates >In some patients there are permanent changes that take place - increased >vascular lakes, channels, etc and they will no longer shrink with >vasoconstrictors. Ah that is very helpful to know.....
>Thats one kind. >In others there is severe allergy/ infection but they will shrink with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com
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