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Dali - 21 May 2004 15:58 GMT
While an arguement has been made that refined pickling salt is best
for irrigation i'm in the process of buying quality sea salt for
irrigation and normal salt usage. I've read the following at many
different web sights. I wonder if our signature HEB has some. good
health yall.

The problem with salt is not the salt itself but the condition of the
salt we eat - refined! Major producing companies dry their salt in
huge kilns with temperatures reaching 1200 degrees F, changing he
salt's chemical structure, which in turn adversely affects the human
body. The facts are that in the heating process of salt, the element
sodium chloride goes off into the air as a gas. What remains is sodium
hydroxate which is irritating to the system and does not satisfy the
body's hunger and need for sodium chloride. Sodium chloride is one of
the 12 daily essential minerals. In countries which do not alter their
salt supply, heart disease and arthritis are so rare that many doctors
have never seen a case.
Sea salt contains about 80 mineral elements that the body needs. Some
of these elements are needed in trace amounts. Unrefined sea salt is a
better choice of salt than other types of salt on the market.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:26 GMT
HEY DALI,JUST DON'T USE IT IN YOUR CS.

THEY SAY IT CAN BE USED TO MAKE THE PARTICLES SMALLER,BUT IT ISN'T GOOD TO
USE EITHER.

NUMBER 1 IT WILL BLACKEN YOUR SILVER ELECTRODES.

DO YOU DRINK GATERAID WITH YOUR SILVER.

MIX 2 PARTS GATORAIDE TO 1 PART CS,IT MAKES IT WORK 5 TIMES BETTER.

I WILL POST IT,WHEN I FIND THE SITE,IT WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD MS, AND SHE READ
IT ON THE SILVER LIST AND SHE WENT INTO REMISSION QUICKLY.

> While an arguement has been made that refined pickling salt is best
> for irrigation i'm in the process of buying quality sea salt for
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>
> "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:29 GMT
I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER.

Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8
thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:39 GMT
GATORADE AND SILVER

http://www.silvermedicine.org/gatorade-silver-electrolytes.html

> I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER.
>
> Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8
Dali - 21 May 2004 19:22 GMT
>I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER.
>
>Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8

I've read something like that before I always put a splash into
whatever i'm doing. oral or irrigate. Interesting MS stuff.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 19:08 GMT
>HEY DALI,JUST DON'T USE IT IN YOUR CS.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I WILL POST IT,WHEN I FIND THE SITE,IT WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD MS, AND SHE READ
>IT ON THE SILVER LIST AND SHE WENT INTO REMISSION QUICKLY.

Thanks for the tip. I make CS with distilled water and thats it. I
then mix in baths(with salts),irrigator(with salt), and take orally.
damn those baths work good. my muscles have been twitching and sore
until I started them.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 17:10 GMT
More on salts. Try this link,
We keep forgeting the past. silver, salt, why the hell has the human
race not learned from it's ancestors? theses items have been prized
for a reason. Salt was used as currency once, it's finaly dawned on me
the reason for this. Good health is priceless. . A silver and mineral
salt bath does wonders! btw don't forget Omega3 oils. good health yall

The Benefits of Dead Sea Salt
by Amy K. McNulty, Ph.D.

The waters of the Dead Sea have been renowned for their therapeutic
effects since ancient times. Two thousand years ago, Flavius wrote
that the salts from the Dead Sea heal the human body.

The waters from the Dead Sea are unique in that they contain 27% of
various salts as compared to 3% in normal sea water. Further, while
sodium accounts for approximately 80% of the salt content of normal
sea water, it comprises much less of the salt total in water from the
Dead Sea. The balance of the salts in Dead Sea water are magnesium,
potassium, calcium chloride and bromides.

Why are these types of salts beneficial? Magnesium is important for
both combatting stress and fluid retention, slowing skin aging and
calming the nervous system. Calcium is effective at preventing water
retention, increasing circulation and strengthening bones and nails.
Potassium energizes the body, helps to balance skin moisture and is a
crucial mineral to replenish following intense exercise. Bromides act
to ease muscle stiffness and relax muscles. Sodium is important for
the lymphatic fluid balance (this in turn is important for immune
system function). So we can see that bathing in high quality sea salt
could replenish the minerals which are critical to our skin
metabolism.

Studies have been conducted on the health benefits of bathing in Dead
Sea salts. One such study was conducted by Dr. I. Machtey 1 on 103
patients suffering from osteoarthritis and tendinitis. Patients were
either treated with baths of 7.5%, 2% or 0.5% Dead Sea salt
concentration. Improvement was found after as little as 1 week of
treatment for those treated with 7.5% or 2% salt baths. By the study's
end, 80% of the patients reported less pain; 70% experienced improved
mobility and 60% were able to decrease their use of analgesics. Dr. J.
Arndt 2 studied the effect of Dead Sea salt baths on psoriasis. Fifty
patients were treated for 3 - 4 weeks, with 3 - 4 baths per week. In
as little as 1 week, many patients treated with a 10% salt
concentration in their baths experienced marked improvement. This
improvement included relief from itching, sleep disturbances, and skin
scaling. Treatment with Dead Sea Salts is not associated with any side
effects.

1. Machtey, Dr. I. 1982, Dead Sea Balneotherapy in Osteoarthritis,
Proc. International Seminar on Treatment of Rheumatic Diseases.

2. Arndt, Dr. J. 1982, Salt from the Promised Land Helps Psoriasis
Patients, Arztliche Praxis, 34(48).

http://www.saltworks.us/salt_info/si_DeadSeaSalt_Benefits.asp

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Tumbleweed - 21 May 2004 21:04 GMT
Your tinfoil hat just fell off again.

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> More on salts. Try this link,
> We keep forgeting the past. silver, salt, why the hell has the human
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>
> "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 21:10 GMT
>Your tinfoil hat just fell off again.

blame the Phd lady. I just posted it and noticed the FACT that
minerals are essential to any living breathing animal. do the math

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 21:17 GMT
>Your tinfoil hat just fell off again.

BTW If you do not want minerals from salts get it from a good
supplement. Unless you are saying minerals are not needed?

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 21:38 GMT
>Your tinfoil hat just fell off again.

http://www.nutramed.com/nutrition/supplementref.htm

The point of the post is that you may never get better if you do not
supply yourself with the appropriate vitamins AND minerals. nothing
crazy about that is there?

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
spodosaurus - 21 May 2004 21:56 GMT
So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?

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Michael - 21 May 2004 21:58 GMT
> So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
> Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?

Sort of...

It's more of a "duh", and doesn't merit the wit of "no sh.t, sherlock".

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Dali - 23 May 2004 05:20 GMT
>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?

It sure does but if someone has a disease i would guess there is a
very good chance they are vitamin and mineral deficient and will never
get better.
Sad part is about a third of the world’s people do not meet their
physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral
deficiencies. Easy to fix but there ya go.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 23 May 2004 07:29 GMT
>>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
>>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?
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>
>"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb

Micronutrients in critical illness.
Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA
Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston,
Massachusetts, USA.
Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73
Abstract Micronutrients play a key role in many of the metabolic
processes that promote survival from critical illness. For vitamins,
these processes include oxidative phosphorylation, which is altered in
the patient with systemic inflammation, and protection against
mediators, in particular oxidants. Trace elements are essential for
direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a
variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also
depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of
extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can
develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes
and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many
times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred,
although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the
parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less
clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the
nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall
management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting
positive outcomes and decreasing complications.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
spodosaurus - 23 May 2004 13:13 GMT
>>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
>>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?
>
> It sure does but if someone has a disease i would guess there is a
> very good chance they are vitamin and mineral deficient and will never
> get better.

Your guess would be incorrect.

> Sad part is about a third of the world’s people do not meet their
> physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral
> deficiencies. Easy to fix but there ya go.

It'd be nice if that were the sole reason all wrapped up in a simplistic
cause and effect relationship. Not that any of those people who can't
get adequate nutrition would have a computer, or Internet access, or
even a phone line...but thanks for posting here all the same LOL

> "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb

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Dali - 24 May 2004 00:03 GMT
>>>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
>>>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?
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>
>Your guess would be incorrect.

read below, your wrong

>> Sad part is about a third of the world’s people do not meet their
>> physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>get adequate nutrition would have a computer, or Internet access, or
>even a phone line...but thanks for posting here all the same LOL

Your just plain wrong if you think other countries and not us are
nutrient deficient. We may be fat from hamburgers but our bodies can
still be starving to death from lack of nutients and minerals. It
wasn't until I changed my diet to get these trace elements that my
improvement really began. read post below again

Micronutrients in critical illness.
Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA
Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston,
Massachusetts, USA.
Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73
Trace elements are essential for
direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a
variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also
depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of
extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can
develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes
and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many
times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred,
although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the
parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less
clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the
nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall
management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting
positive outcomes and decreasing complications.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Norman Lampert - 25 May 2004 03:44 GMT
Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who
points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the
original post was bullshit.

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Dali - 25 May 2004 13:58 GMT
>Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who
>points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the
>original post was bullshit.

the error is where? ad-hominem attack. I give up, give them bread and
water and that should be enough. disregard the below trial. jeez

Micronutrients in critical illness.
Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA
Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston,
Massachusetts, USA.
Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73
Abstract Micronutrients play a key role in many of the metabolic
processes that promote survival from critical illness. For vitamins,
these processes include oxidative phosphorylation, which is altered in
the patient with systemic inflammation, and protection against
mediators, in particular oxidants. Trace elements are essential for
direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a
variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also
depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of
extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can
develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes
and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many
times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred,
although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the
parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less
clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the
nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall
management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting
positive outcomes and decreasing complications.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 25 May 2004 14:30 GMT
>Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who
>points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the
>original post was bullshit.

point this error out.

Observations on the nutrient intakes of eating-dependent nursing home
residents: underutilization of micronutrient supplements
Author Rudman D; Abbasi AA; Isaacson K; Karpiuk E
Address Department of Medicine, Medical College of Wisconsin,
Milwaukee, USA.
Source J Am Coll Nutr, 14: 6, 1995 Dec, 604-13
Abstract OBJECTIVE: To estimate the intakes of essential nutrients by
eating-dependent nursing home residents (EDR). METHODS: This study was
done in a 190 bed VA nursing home. Thirty-four EDR were selected for
the study. Clinical data base which included age, sex, primary
diagnosis, body mass index, albumin, hematocrit, activities of daily
living status, decubitus ulcer medications and use of
multivitamin/trace mineral supplement were recorded from the medical
records. Caloric and essential nutrient intakes were determined over a
3-day period by a registered dietitian. RESULTS: Seventy percent
(24/34) residents in the study group were underweight (body mass index
< 23 kg/m2), 26% were hypoalbuminemic (serum level < 3.5 g/dl), 50%
were anemic (hematocrit < 37%); and 38% had pressure ulcers. In 88%
EDR, the dietary intakes of three or more essential nutrients were
below 50% of the RDA. Most frequent and severely deficient were zinc,
copper, and vitamin B6. Despite the inadequate essential micronutrient
intakes in the majority of EDR, only 35% received a multivitamin
supplement and only 3% received a trace mineral supplement. A survey
of 30 other VA nursing homes indicated generally similar findings to
those in the Milwaukee facility with regard to the high frequency for
eating-dependence, and the low frequency for administration of
multivitamin and trace mineral supplements. CONCLUSIONS: Despite
eating supervision and assistance, the majority of EDR have inadequate
intakes of numerous essential macro- and micronutrients. The deficient
micronutrient intakes could be normalized by administration of a
multivitamin/trace mineral supplement daily. Nevertheless, only a
minority of EDR in VA nursing homes currently receive such a
supplement.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
ENTconsult - 26 May 2004 16:48 GMT
On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc
the people had much less heart disease.
the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were
driven out.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Dali - 27 May 2004 07:57 GMT
>On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc
>the people had much less heart disease.
>the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were
>driven out.
>Murray Grossan, M.D.
>http://www.ent-consult.com

Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed
out?

Stoned musings are the best musings of all
Late
Don Brady - 27 May 2004 08:27 GMT
>Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed
>out?

Avoiding a fat-filled sugar-filled "rich" diet will improve health.

In Europe during WW2, the incidence of all diseases went way down because the
diet  became simpler and lower in processed foods, fat, and sugar.
Dali - 27 May 2004 17:24 GMT
>>Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed
>>out?
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>In Europe during WW2, the incidence of all diseases went way down because the
>diet  became simpler and lower in processed foods, fat, and sugar.

there were studies that some starvation is actually very good for
people. The monkeys where healthier, looked better, lived longer etc.
but they also received the proper nutrients. The doctors tried this
diet and lasted about ten days.

"If you are going through hell, keep going."
   - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Don Brady - 28 May 2004 05:19 GMT
>there were studies that some starvation is actually very good for
>people. The monkeys where healthier, looked better, lived longer etc.
>but they also received the proper nutrients.

You are correct. Actually, there are several studies now that show tha a
low-calorie diet extends life in animals, and there are several organizations
of people trying it out.....

>he doctors tried this
>diet and lasted about ten days.
>
>"If you are going through hell, keep going."
>    - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
ENTconsult - 28 May 2004 05:42 GMT
Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed
out
of course not but on one hand someone stresses the need for good nutrition.
When the Duch gave up their chocolate, cream, steaks their cardiac health
improved, despite the terrible stress they were under.
When the Japenese left Shanghi, people were able to go back to smoking non stop
and their cardiac health dimiinished despite they were no longer occupied .

Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Andries - 06 Jun 2004 12:30 GMT
But then, the Germans did other things to us which were not healthy at
all....

> On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc
> the people had much less heart disease.
> the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were
> driven out.
> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 22 May 2004 03:33 GMT
..I don't think the people of the US even use NaCl. ...I'm from Canada
and usually end up taking some salt (for food) with me when I travel
south.  ...What is that odd powdery stuff that they pass off as salt?
..Magnesium silicate, or aluminum something or other?? yuk.   ...Jon
knob - 22 May 2004 04:24 GMT
> ..I don't think the people of the US even use NaCl. ...I'm from Canada
> and usually end up taking some salt (for food) with me when I travel
> south.  ...What is that odd powdery stuff that they pass off as salt?
> ..Magnesium silicate, or aluminum something or other?? yuk.   ...Jon

Uh... sodium chloride just like you use.
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 22 May 2004 07:42 GMT
Go to a McDonalds... Check the ingredients on their little salt
packages. ...Check the powdery material inside that they call "salt".
.Many other restaurants use the same material.     ...Jon
knob - 23 May 2004 02:56 GMT
> Go to a McDonalds... Check the ingredients on their little salt
> packages. ...Check the powdery material inside that they call "salt".
> .Many other restaurants use the same material.     ...Jon

A common salt people buy for their homes is Morton.

http://www.mortonsalt.com/

I'm sure many restaurants use cheap salt US and Canada.
 
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