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Sea salt for good health?
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Dali - 21 May 2004 15:58 GMT While an arguement has been made that refined pickling salt is best for irrigation i'm in the process of buying quality sea salt for irrigation and normal salt usage. I've read the following at many different web sights. I wonder if our signature HEB has some. good health yall.
The problem with salt is not the salt itself but the condition of the salt we eat - refined! Major producing companies dry their salt in huge kilns with temperatures reaching 1200 degrees F, changing he salt's chemical structure, which in turn adversely affects the human body. The facts are that in the heating process of salt, the element sodium chloride goes off into the air as a gas. What remains is sodium hydroxate which is irritating to the system and does not satisfy the body's hunger and need for sodium chloride. Sodium chloride is one of the 12 daily essential minerals. In countries which do not alter their salt supply, heart disease and arthritis are so rare that many doctors have never seen a case. Sea salt contains about 80 mineral elements that the body needs. Some of these elements are needed in trace amounts. Unrefined sea salt is a better choice of salt than other types of salt on the market.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:26 GMT HEY DALI,JUST DON'T USE IT IN YOUR CS.
THEY SAY IT CAN BE USED TO MAKE THE PARTICLES SMALLER,BUT IT ISN'T GOOD TO USE EITHER.
NUMBER 1 IT WILL BLACKEN YOUR SILVER ELECTRODES.
DO YOU DRINK GATERAID WITH YOUR SILVER.
MIX 2 PARTS GATORAIDE TO 1 PART CS,IT MAKES IT WORK 5 TIMES BETTER.
I WILL POST IT,WHEN I FIND THE SITE,IT WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD MS, AND SHE READ IT ON THE SILVER LIST AND SHE WENT INTO REMISSION QUICKLY.
> While an arguement has been made that refined pickling salt is best > for irrigation i'm in the process of buying quality sea salt for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:29 GMT I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER.
Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8
thehickwithlyme - 21 May 2004 16:39 GMT GATORADE AND SILVER
http://www.silvermedicine.org/gatorade-silver-electrolytes.html
> I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER. > > Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8 Dali - 21 May 2004 19:22 GMT >I FOUND THE ARTICLE,SAYS IT MAKES IT 100 OR GREATER TIMES STRONGER. > >Ihttp://www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=58&db=5&C0=8 I've read something like that before I always put a splash into whatever i'm doing. oral or irrigate. Interesting MS stuff.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 19:08 GMT >HEY DALI,JUST DON'T USE IT IN YOUR CS. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I WILL POST IT,WHEN I FIND THE SITE,IT WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD MS, AND SHE READ >IT ON THE SILVER LIST AND SHE WENT INTO REMISSION QUICKLY. Thanks for the tip. I make CS with distilled water and thats it. I then mix in baths(with salts),irrigator(with salt), and take orally. damn those baths work good. my muscles have been twitching and sore until I started them.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 17:10 GMT More on salts. Try this link, We keep forgeting the past. silver, salt, why the hell has the human race not learned from it's ancestors? theses items have been prized for a reason. Salt was used as currency once, it's finaly dawned on me the reason for this. Good health is priceless. . A silver and mineral salt bath does wonders! btw don't forget Omega3 oils. good health yall
The Benefits of Dead Sea Salt by Amy K. McNulty, Ph.D.
The waters of the Dead Sea have been renowned for their therapeutic effects since ancient times. Two thousand years ago, Flavius wrote that the salts from the Dead Sea heal the human body.
The waters from the Dead Sea are unique in that they contain 27% of various salts as compared to 3% in normal sea water. Further, while sodium accounts for approximately 80% of the salt content of normal sea water, it comprises much less of the salt total in water from the Dead Sea. The balance of the salts in Dead Sea water are magnesium, potassium, calcium chloride and bromides.
Why are these types of salts beneficial? Magnesium is important for both combatting stress and fluid retention, slowing skin aging and calming the nervous system. Calcium is effective at preventing water retention, increasing circulation and strengthening bones and nails. Potassium energizes the body, helps to balance skin moisture and is a crucial mineral to replenish following intense exercise. Bromides act to ease muscle stiffness and relax muscles. Sodium is important for the lymphatic fluid balance (this in turn is important for immune system function). So we can see that bathing in high quality sea salt could replenish the minerals which are critical to our skin metabolism.
Studies have been conducted on the health benefits of bathing in Dead Sea salts. One such study was conducted by Dr. I. Machtey 1 on 103 patients suffering from osteoarthritis and tendinitis. Patients were either treated with baths of 7.5%, 2% or 0.5% Dead Sea salt concentration. Improvement was found after as little as 1 week of treatment for those treated with 7.5% or 2% salt baths. By the study's end, 80% of the patients reported less pain; 70% experienced improved mobility and 60% were able to decrease their use of analgesics. Dr. J. Arndt 2 studied the effect of Dead Sea salt baths on psoriasis. Fifty patients were treated for 3 - 4 weeks, with 3 - 4 baths per week. In as little as 1 week, many patients treated with a 10% salt concentration in their baths experienced marked improvement. This improvement included relief from itching, sleep disturbances, and skin scaling. Treatment with Dead Sea Salts is not associated with any side effects.
1. Machtey, Dr. I. 1982, Dead Sea Balneotherapy in Osteoarthritis, Proc. International Seminar on Treatment of Rheumatic Diseases.
2. Arndt, Dr. J. 1982, Salt from the Promised Land Helps Psoriasis Patients, Arztliche Praxis, 34(48).
http://www.saltworks.us/salt_info/si_DeadSeaSalt_Benefits.asp
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Tumbleweed - 21 May 2004 21:04 GMT Your tinfoil hat just fell off again.
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> More on salts. Try this link, > We keep forgeting the past. silver, salt, why the hell has the human [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb Dali - 21 May 2004 21:10 GMT >Your tinfoil hat just fell off again. blame the Phd lady. I just posted it and noticed the FACT that minerals are essential to any living breathing animal. do the math
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Dali - 21 May 2004 21:17 GMT >Your tinfoil hat just fell off again. BTW If you do not want minerals from salts get it from a good supplement. Unless you are saying minerals are not needed?
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 21 May 2004 21:38 GMT >Your tinfoil hat just fell off again. http://www.nutramed.com/nutrition/supplementref.htm
The point of the post is that you may never get better if you do not supply yourself with the appropriate vitamins AND minerals. nothing crazy about that is there?
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spodosaurus - 21 May 2004 21:56 GMT So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category?
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Michael - 21 May 2004 21:58 GMT > So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. > Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category? Sort of...
It's more of a "duh", and doesn't merit the wit of "no sh.t, sherlock".
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Dali - 23 May 2004 05:20 GMT >So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category? It sure does but if someone has a disease i would guess there is a very good chance they are vitamin and mineral deficient and will never get better. Sad part is about a third of the worlds people do not meet their physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Easy to fix but there ya go.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 23 May 2004 07:29 GMT >>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb Micronutrients in critical illness. Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73 Abstract Micronutrients play a key role in many of the metabolic processes that promote survival from critical illness. For vitamins, these processes include oxidative phosphorylation, which is altered in the patient with systemic inflammation, and protection against mediators, in particular oxidants. Trace elements are essential for direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred, although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting positive outcomes and decreasing complications.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
spodosaurus - 23 May 2004 13:13 GMT >>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category? > > It sure does but if someone has a disease i would guess there is a > very good chance they are vitamin and mineral deficient and will never > get better. Your guess would be incorrect.
> Sad part is about a third of the world’s people do not meet their > physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral > deficiencies. Easy to fix but there ya go. It'd be nice if that were the sole reason all wrapped up in a simplistic cause and effect relationship. Not that any of those people who can't get adequate nutrition would have a computer, or Internet access, or even a phone line...but thanks for posting here all the same LOL
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Dali - 24 May 2004 00:03 GMT >>>So, the point is: don't develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. >>>Doesn't that fall into the "no sh.t, sherlock" category? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Your guess would be incorrect. read below, your wrong
>> Sad part is about a third of the worlds people do not meet their >> physical and intellectual potential because of vitamin and mineral [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >get adequate nutrition would have a computer, or Internet access, or >even a phone line...but thanks for posting here all the same LOL Your just plain wrong if you think other countries and not us are nutrient deficient. We may be fat from hamburgers but our bodies can still be starving to death from lack of nutients and minerals. It wasn't until I changed my diet to get these trace elements that my improvement really began. read post below again
Micronutrients in critical illness. Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73 Trace elements are essential for direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred, although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting positive outcomes and decreasing complications.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Norman Lampert - 25 May 2004 03:44 GMT Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the original post was bullshit.
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Dali - 25 May 2004 13:58 GMT >Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who >points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the >original post was bullshit. the error is where? ad-hominem attack. I give up, give them bread and water and that should be enough. disregard the below trial. jeez
Micronutrients in critical illness. Author Demling RH; DeBiasse MA Address Department of Surgery, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Source Crit Care Clin, 11: 3, 1995 Jul, 651-73 Abstract Micronutrients play a key role in many of the metabolic processes that promote survival from critical illness. For vitamins, these processes include oxidative phosphorylation, which is altered in the patient with systemic inflammation, and protection against mediators, in particular oxidants. Trace elements are essential for direct antioxidant activity as well as functioning as cofactors for a variety of antioxidant enzymes. Wound healing and immune function also depend on adequate levels of vitamins and trace elements (Table 6). Of extreme importance is the ease with which a deficiency state can develop in the critically ill because of decreased nutrient intakes and increased requirements. Daily intakes up to or exceeding many times the RDA usually are required. The enteral route is preferred, although, if not available, most of these agents can be given by the parenteral route. In that case, however, dose recommendations are less clear. Attention to micronutrients is paramount both in optimizing the nutritional management of the critically ill and in the overall management of these patients. It also is essential in promoting positive outcomes and decreasing complications.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
Dali - 25 May 2004 14:30 GMT >Whenever a "poster" finds it necessary to fight with everyone who >points out where his post is in error, you can be sure that the >original post was bullshit. point this error out.
Observations on the nutrient intakes of eating-dependent nursing home residents: underutilization of micronutrient supplements Author Rudman D; Abbasi AA; Isaacson K; Karpiuk E Address Department of Medicine, Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, USA. Source J Am Coll Nutr, 14: 6, 1995 Dec, 604-13 Abstract OBJECTIVE: To estimate the intakes of essential nutrients by eating-dependent nursing home residents (EDR). METHODS: This study was done in a 190 bed VA nursing home. Thirty-four EDR were selected for the study. Clinical data base which included age, sex, primary diagnosis, body mass index, albumin, hematocrit, activities of daily living status, decubitus ulcer medications and use of multivitamin/trace mineral supplement were recorded from the medical records. Caloric and essential nutrient intakes were determined over a 3-day period by a registered dietitian. RESULTS: Seventy percent (24/34) residents in the study group were underweight (body mass index < 23 kg/m2), 26% were hypoalbuminemic (serum level < 3.5 g/dl), 50% were anemic (hematocrit < 37%); and 38% had pressure ulcers. In 88% EDR, the dietary intakes of three or more essential nutrients were below 50% of the RDA. Most frequent and severely deficient were zinc, copper, and vitamin B6. Despite the inadequate essential micronutrient intakes in the majority of EDR, only 35% received a multivitamin supplement and only 3% received a trace mineral supplement. A survey of 30 other VA nursing homes indicated generally similar findings to those in the Milwaukee facility with regard to the high frequency for eating-dependence, and the low frequency for administration of multivitamin and trace mineral supplements. CONCLUSIONS: Despite eating supervision and assistance, the majority of EDR have inadequate intakes of numerous essential macro- and micronutrients. The deficient micronutrient intakes could be normalized by administration of a multivitamin/trace mineral supplement daily. Nevertheless, only a minority of EDR in VA nursing homes currently receive such a supplement.
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb
ENTconsult - 26 May 2004 16:48 GMT On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc the people had much less heart disease. the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were driven out. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
Dali - 27 May 2004 07:57 GMT >On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc >the people had much less heart disease. >the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were >driven out. >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed out?
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Don Brady - 27 May 2004 08:27 GMT >Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed >out? Avoiding a fat-filled sugar-filled "rich" diet will improve health.
In Europe during WW2, the incidence of all diseases went way down because the diet became simpler and lower in processed foods, fat, and sugar.
Dali - 27 May 2004 17:24 GMT >>Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed >>out? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >In Europe during WW2, the incidence of all diseases went way down because the >diet became simpler and lower in processed foods, fat, and sugar. there were studies that some starvation is actually very good for people. The monkeys where healthier, looked better, lived longer etc. but they also received the proper nutrients. The doctors tried this diet and lasted about ten days.
"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Don Brady - 28 May 2004 05:19 GMT >there were studies that some starvation is actually very good for >people. The monkeys where healthier, looked better, lived longer etc. >but they also received the proper nutrients. You are correct. Actually, there are several studies now that show tha a low-calorie diet extends life in animals, and there are several organizations of people trying it out.....
>he doctors tried this >diet and lasted about ten days. > >"If you are going through hell, keep going." > - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) ENTconsult - 28 May 2004 05:42 GMT Are you suggesting to people to get a poor diet and become stressed out of course not but on one hand someone stresses the need for good nutrition. When the Duch gave up their chocolate, cream, steaks their cardiac health improved, despite the terrible stress they were under. When the Japenese left Shanghi, people were able to go back to smoking non stop and their cardiac health dimiinished despite they were no longer occupied .
Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
Andries - 06 Jun 2004 12:30 GMT But then, the Germans did other things to us which were not healthy at all....
> On the other hand, when Holland was Nazi occupied with poor food, stress,etc > the people had much less heart disease. > the incidence of heart disese in Shanghi ROSE after the Japenese invaders were > driven out. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com Johnny1000@webtv.net - 22 May 2004 03:33 GMT ..I don't think the people of the US even use NaCl. ...I'm from Canada and usually end up taking some salt (for food) with me when I travel south. ...What is that odd powdery stuff that they pass off as salt? ..Magnesium silicate, or aluminum something or other?? yuk. ...Jon
knob - 22 May 2004 04:24 GMT > ..I don't think the people of the US even use NaCl. ...I'm from Canada > and usually end up taking some salt (for food) with me when I travel > south. ...What is that odd powdery stuff that they pass off as salt? > ..Magnesium silicate, or aluminum something or other?? yuk. ...Jon Uh... sodium chloride just like you use.
Johnny1000@webtv.net - 22 May 2004 07:42 GMT Go to a McDonalds... Check the ingredients on their little salt packages. ...Check the powdery material inside that they call "salt". .Many other restaurants use the same material. ...Jon
knob - 23 May 2004 02:56 GMT > Go to a McDonalds... Check the ingredients on their little salt > packages. ...Check the powdery material inside that they call "salt". > .Many other restaurants use the same material. ...Jon A common salt people buy for their homes is Morton.
http://www.mortonsalt.com/
I'm sure many restaurants use cheap salt US and Canada.
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