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Will irrigating make me dizzy?

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Sue - 25 Apr 2004 02:48 GMT
Hi.  Not sure what I have, but have had it for years now.   Possibly
migraines, possibly sinus headaches, and more than likely both.   In
any event, the sinus headaches I get also make me sick to my stomach,
very hot, very weak, and leave me wiped out for the rest of the day.
That probably sounds like a migraine, but I'm pretty sure that blocked
sinuses are at the root of this.

When I was about 20 (27 years ago) my doctor told me I had
labrynthitis, so I've learned to live with a moderate amount of
dizziness throughout my life. My panic attacks make me dizzy, PMS
makes me dizzy, airplanes make me dizzy, etc.

Anyway, today I had a killer headache that really made me wish I were
dead.  The headache is bad enough, but then it leads to the stomach
problems, the hot flashes, the weakness.... I need to get to the
bottom of these.  I'm at the end (I hope) of a cold, and when I blow
my nose I get that squeak in one ear a few seconds later, like air is
trying to enter?   I always feel like there is some sort of vacuum
problem in that ear and on that side of my head.   I've been reading
for hours now and am tempted to try nasal irrigation, but have one
thing holding me back...... will it make my dizziness worse?   Will it
aggravate labrynthitis?    Will water be bouncing around near my ears
and cause me MORE problems?    I'm hoping it will HELP the constant
blocked feeling, but am scared to death to gamble with something that
could make my dizziness worse - I HATE being dizzy!  I'm torn about
50/50 as to whether it's worth the risk.   Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
Blarneystone - 25 Apr 2004 23:27 GMT
> Hi.  Not sure what I have, but have had it for years now.   Possibly
> migraines, possibly sinus headaches, and more than likely both.   In
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> 50/50 as to whether it's worth the risk.   Any thoughts?
> Thanks in advance.

I've been irrigating with a Neti pot for years and recommended it to many  
other people...I've NEVER heard of anyone getting dizzy.  In fact, the  
first time for many people, including me, feels like a new clarity has  
been reached.  So you may be the opposite of dizzy if that makes sense...

also, water doesn't "bounce around" like you describe.  It stays pretty  
localized to your nose, unless you do something wrong - and it seems  
difficult and painful to do it wrong.  It's all pretty natural.  You won't  
be putting your head way back or standing on your head while you do it, so  
it's nothing really to worry about.  IMHO.

P.S.  I had been trying to talk a friend into doing it for years and he  
thought it was a "nasty" concept.  Well, this year he had suffered for a  
month or so with seasonal junk... so he finally broke down and tried it.  
I got a call 10 minutes later about how it took all of his congestion  
away!  Wished he had tried it sooner...  He's now recommending it to  
family -- who think it's "nasty" too...ho well, :(

Good luck with your decision.

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Sue - 26 Apr 2004 02:29 GMT
Thank you so much, Blarney, for the comforting response.  I'm sure I'm
just like a lot of other people in that I'm making a much bigger deal
of irrigation than I need to.  Having never done it, actually having
never even HEARD of it til a couple of days ago, it seems like a very
drastic, barbaric, and anxiety-producing thing to do, and the fear of
the unknown creeps in, too.  But the more I read, the more it really
does make sense.

I think the reason I had this vision of water going into wrong places
(like my ear)is because I've been looking at the powered, pulse type,
and I'm picturing a roto-rooter blast of solution going through my
head.  Again, fear of the unknown.

As a compromise I will purchase a neti-pot and start with that.  If I
like the results, I'll move up to a powered one.

Thanks again for your thoughts - it really did help.
Sue
Blarneystone - 26 Apr 2004 03:33 GMT
> Thank you so much, Blarney, for the comforting response.  I'm sure I'm
> just like a lot of other people in that I'm making a much bigger deal
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> Thanks again for your thoughts - it really did help.
> Sue

Well, I dunno if this makes a difference or not, but I sort of sensed the  
anxiety level.  I am an anxiety prone person -- you probably can guess  
what that means.  But if the neti pot/irrigation wasn't as gentle and  
effective as it is, I'd never recommend it.

I haven't tried the powered irrigator yet, just too lazy to buy one.  But  
once you use the neti, you'll get the idea.  The powered ones are probably  
more convenient, it seems the pressure is about the same. I'd compare it  
to about the same pressure as pouring a teapot of warm water over the back  
of your hand - not painful, a bit soothing.

"Roto-rooter" LOL :)  Trust me, on some of your more congested days you'll  
wish the neti had more pressure to blow away the junk!  But it seems to be  
a cumulative effect on people like me.  Like eating an apple...a neti a  
day keeps the allergy away. ;)

Be sure and post back when you get yours.  I'm keeping a tally of all the  
neti successes I've come into contact with.

Best wishes!

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ENTconsult - 27 Apr 2004 17:14 GMT
actually the pressure out of the Hydro PUlse is about 1/6 that of blowing your
nose.
One of the primary reasons doctors recommend HP is because they fear the
patient will blow too hard, so they use this for lower pressure.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
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Sue - 28 Apr 2004 02:30 GMT
Thank you.  So I guess we pretty much still have "control" over the
pressure, both with the neti pot and the HydroPulse.   I guess I was
picturing a big, scary device that would vibrate all the cells in my
head.  I know sometimes my Ultrasonic toothbrush can make me a little
dizzy if I keep it in one spot too long on my top teeth, but that
thing really moves!
Thanks again.
Chris Nellist - 28 Apr 2004 10:59 GMT
> actually the pressure out of the Hydro PUlse is about 1/6 that of
> blowing your nose.
> One of the primary reasons doctors recommend HP is because they fear
> the patient will blow too hard, so they use this for lower pressure.
> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com

Could someone other than Murray please say what they think of the
effectiveness of Murray's irrigation kit, as compared with, say, a simple
'squirt' bulb, or sniffing water from the palm of your hand.

No need for you to answer this, Murray. Am interested in the opinions of
those without a conflict of interest. Thanks.

Chris
Flash - 28 Apr 2004 16:20 GMT
>>actually the pressure out of the Hydro PUlse is about 1/6 that of
>>blowing your nose.
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>
> Chris

The HydroPulse is the best there is.  It rerouted my life back to a
road of recovery rather than a road of misery.  Yes, the HydroPulse is
expensive.  I didn't want to pay that much.  But, it is worth the
investment.  My condition was such that I would do anything for relief.
You know, the "I'm at my wits end ..." ... when you are there, get a
HydroPulse.

I bought the HydroPulse after reading Dr. Ivker's book *Sinus Survival".
I suggest all new visitors to this NG read it.  Don't follow it if you
don't want, but read it and be aware of what it offers.  And get the
HydroPulse.  If you don't, then you must not be that bad off yet.

I've also got a Water Pic for traveling so the HydroPulse can stay at
home.  The HydroPulse is better.

As a side note, I have been so clogged up that water would not flow out
my nostrils.  In that state, I used the pulse setting dial to lower the
pressure down to a trickle so the water could flow through.  I say why
fool around with your well being ... get the HydroPulse.

Also, Dr. Grossan, the HydroPulse is expensive, not all people obtain one
via insurance, ( I didn't ). I'd like to see the price go down.  Or at least
stay put over the coming years.  Also, the BreatheEase seems *way* over
priced.  That I won't buy because of the pricing.

Anyway, HydroPulse is a great product.  It is worth the investment.  Again
I say if you are bad off, get the HydroPulse.
Chris Nellist - 29 Apr 2004 00:23 GMT
>>>actually the pressure out of the Hydro PUlse is about 1/6 that of
>>>blowing your nose.
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>> effectiveness of Murray's irrigation kit, as compared with, say, a
>> simple 'squirt' bulb, or sniffing water from the palm of your hand.

...

> The HydroPulse is the best there is.  It rerouted my life back to a
> road of recovery rather than a road of misery.

...

>And get the HydroPulse.  If you don't, then you must not be
> that bad off yet.

...

> Anyway, HydroPulse is a great product.  It is worth the investment.
> Again I say if you are bad off, get the HydroPulse.

Thanks, 'null@null.net'.

Did you ever try a neti pot?

Chris
Sue - 29 Apr 2004 01:13 GMT
My Neti-pot was on the doorstep when I got home from work today, and I
decided to do some more reading on here before I opened the box,
because once I do, I won't be able to resist trying it.   But after
reading just two of the posts on here, I read two things that scared
me again.  One was a gentlemen getting peroxide in his ear (I thought
it was difficult to get it in your ear!) and the second was from a man
who says fluid stays in your sinuses until some inconvenient time.  
Maybe I should stop reading!
Sue
NorthShoreCEO - 29 Apr 2004 01:49 GMT
LOL, Sue!

Well, if you keep the hydrogen peroxide where it belongs (in a bottle far
away from the place you're irrigating), you won't have to worry about it
getting into your ear.

And if you do your irrigation about 60 to 90 minutes before you have to
leave the house, and turn your head from side to side several times while
leaning over the sink - most of that water will come out all on its own.

Hope you feel better about this!

> My Neti-pot was on the doorstep when I got home from work today, and I
> decided to do some more reading on here before I opened the box,
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> Maybe I should stop reading!
> Sue
Sue - 29 Apr 2004 06:09 GMT
Do I feel better after reading your post?   Well, yes and no.   Yes, I
felt reassured enough to go get the box and rip it open, preparing
myself to read the instructions at least 3 times before attempting
anything drastic.   A minute later I was laughing hysterically as I
pulled out the contents of the box . . . some ponding supplies for my
backyard pond!   Heck - the return address on the box was "Natural
Solutions" so of COURSE I assumed it was my Neti pot!    But you
should have seen the look of horror on my face as I was trying to
figure out how in HELL I was supposed to use this thing.   I was
holding longs strips of styrofoam and sheets of netting, and only when
I reached for the instructions and saw the photo of a koi did I
realize I had received another mailorder item.   All clogged up and
nowhere to go.
Sue

> LOL, Sue!
>
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> > My Neti-pot was on the doorstep when I got home from work today, and I
> > decided to do some more reading on here before I opened the box . . .
MB - 30 Apr 2004 05:12 GMT
Now THAT is funny!!!

Mel
> Do I feel better after reading your post?   Well, yes and no.   Yes, I
> felt reassured enough to go get the box and rip it open, preparing
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> > > My Neti-pot was on the doorstep when I got home from work today, and I
> > > decided to do some more reading on here before I opened the box . . .
 
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