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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / April 2004historical question on the treatment of severe sinus infections?
I'm currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never ending battle against chronic sinus infections. What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of antibiotics? Anyone have a brief explanation of archaic treatments used for sinus infections used in the years before antibiotics? Any medical historians in the group? thanks, congested to death but still curious -- "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. I kept my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture could get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages. . It worked! I have been sinus infection free for about 30 months. . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts over there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding", and by who don't think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I consider it to be the best facility for discussing health problems on the Internet. . To find out more, select one of the following links: . Here is the link to a discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion: . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 After reading your post on the allergy group a while back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I'll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal. Thanks for the suggestions. -- "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson > After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > decades, I experimented with flooding my sinuses with a mixture of diluted [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > . > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 >>"spam2death" wrote: After reading your post on the allergy group a while back I tried adding a couple ml of hydrogen peroxide to a half bottle of Ocean salt water spray. This worked fine and seemed to really help. However after I ran out of this bottle and mixed up a batch myself, I either added too much hydrogen peroxide or my sinus infection was already well established as the second bottle seemed to irritate my already inflamed sinuses. I'll try again with a weaker formulation after my sinuses heal. Thanks for the suggestions." << <=============================> When I've used too much peroxide, it has caused my sinuses to swell shut for about three straight days. I am careful not to use more than one part peroxide to 10 parts water. Even that much used to sting my sinuses, but not any more. If the powerful anti-infective mixture of peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt can get to the source of infection, or infected material, then it can fight the infection and help to prevent recurring infections. If it can't get to the source of the infection, then the benefits are limited. > -- > "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > . > > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does anyone know? "NorthShoreCEO" wrote: "What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does anyone know?" <================================> I've flooding my sinuses with a mixture of Hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt for about 30 months, an average of less than twice a month. Total flooding time averages about 15 minutes. After decades of sinus misery, my sinuses have never been better. I've also use electro-acupuncture to treat my sinuses, and watch my diet, and I have made changes to my environment, so I can't attribute my good sinus health to just the flooding. So far, I have not had any bad effects from the contact of the peroxide with my sinuses. I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from the medical community, but I figured I'd offer my personal experience. ===> "Hydrogen peroxide is water with extra oxygen attached. The formula for water is H2O, and for hydrogen peroxide is H2O2. Another name for hydrogen peroxide would be hydrogen dioxide." <=== > I know that you are looking for more scientific feedback, or feedback from > the medical community, but I figured I'd offer my personal experience. Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, I was looking for more scientific feedback, but also for use on longer term use than 30 months. With all the research I do, I've not been able to find anything substantive. > What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does > anyone know? If you believe that the decomposition of h2o2 produces free radicals and you believe that free radicals can cause cancer then you may be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. I certainly wouldn't take a chance being so close to the brain. > > What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does > > anyone know? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > be inclined to believe that cancer could be a long term effect. > I certainly wouldn't take a chance being so close to the brain. 3% Hydrogen Peroxide has been used for decades by millions of people, for cuts and for gargling, to prevent infection and to help remove mucus and phlegm. It is readily available at most super markets, discount stores, retail stores, etc. There are no health warnings on the bottles. If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the proper authorities and warn them. >>>What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does >>>anyone know? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If you feel that it is a cancer risk, you should get in touch with the > proper authorities and warn them. I didn't say hydrogen peroxide was a cancer risk. Hydrogen peroxide can't be too awfully toxic. I used to got to an alt. med MD who also did IV chelation therapy and I saw many patients in his office do large IV drips of hydrogen peroxide solution and this wasn't the 3% variety. I think they were doing the IVs to protect their heart. I can't remember the specific rational because it's been 10 years or so. I'm sure a Google search would tell you whatever their theory was behind ingesting hydrogen peroxide. I remember some of the patients also drank hydrogen peroxide. -- "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson > What is the long term effect of hydrogen peroxide on tissue? Does > anyone know? > I'm currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never > ending battle against chronic sinus infections. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that throwing more and more antibiotics at the problem isn't the only thing your doctors are doing for you. The most important thing your doctors should be doine for you, is trying to figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first place. > What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of > antibiotics? IIRC: nasal irrigation and surgery. Pretty much what they do now! The first diagnoses of chronic maxillary sinus infections were first made around the 17th century. And over time, better and better surgical procedures were devised. (The Caldwell-Luc surgical procedure, for many years the state-of-the-art in sinus surgery, was invented in the late 19th century.) In the 18th century, doctors realized that some sinus infections were caused by dental abscesses and could be helped by extractions of the upper molars. Nasal irrigation was employed for the first time in the 18th century too. I remember seeing a couple of pictures of the elaborate mechanical apparatuses they used for nasal irrigation, before the invention of electric irrigators. One of them was a big tank that was fastened high on the wall, way above your head. You put the hose into your nose, turned the crank, and gravity and siphoning pulled the water down into your nose and thru your nasopharynx. -- Steven L. > > I'm currently on my second round of antibiotics in this years edition of my never > > ending battle against chronic sinus infections. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > figure out why you keep getting recurrent sinus infections in the first > place. I've had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I've also taken desensitization shots several times and taken enough allergy pills to fill a 55 gallon drum. Once any of my sinuses or eustachen tubes clogs securely, an infection won't be far behind. I don't even remember large portions of junior high because I was so zoned out on various allergy pills or sick with repeated sinus infections. My problem with sinus infections is that I probably wait much too long before beginning antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have diarreha so I was only on it two days. I'm taking Tequin now. > > What did people do for chronic severe sinus infections prior to the availability of > > antibiotics? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -- Steven L. I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help. Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses. He had to have repeated major surgeries to try and cure the infection. The infections and related pain eventually cost him his job and career. I'd probably have to be fighting a malignancy before I'd risk surgery, but if I further lost my ability to breathe, I might change my mind. Thanks for the medical history lessons and suggestions. spam2death > I've had horrible allergies my entire life. I currently treat them with Flonase, > Astelin, Nasal Crom, Singulair and whatever else is necessary. I've also taken [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > antibiotics and the infections are usually well advanced. Augmentin made me have > diarreha so I was only on it two days. I'm taking Tequin now. Have you seen an ENT? If so, what did he say? > I use saline nasal spray 4-6 times a day. It seems to help. You might find that irrigation works better than spray. I use the Grossan irrigator religiously. It works better for me than any nasal spray. > Having nasal surgery scares the poop out of me as a friend went into the local > hospital as an outpatient to clear a minor nasal blockage and immediately came down > with incurable MRSA and also strep in his sinuses. Hmm, this is a new one for me. What the heck is "incurable MRSA?" Was this one of those brand-new strains of MRSA that's even resistant to vancomycin? Not all hospitals are as careless as the one you describe. Many of us have had sinus surgery and we didn't get MRSA. But we didn't go to just any surgeon and just any hospital. We chose carefully. -- Steven L. Before western culture learned of it, 3,000 years ago the Yoga did rapid in and out sniffing of saline. They did it very rapidly at a low pressure. Which, essentially is what the Hydro Pulse does . This rapid in and out did stimulate cilia and did remove dust and pollen. Try to teach this today ! good luck. Most patients this gentle low pressure means about 70 PSI which will damage the nose. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com |
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