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Russell Thames - 27 Mar 2004 02:26 GMT
After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
all who have posted here as I have learned of things that have given
me some relief.My ENT was at aloss so he refered me to Dr. Stankiewicz
at Loyola for a consultation.My insurance denied coverage so now I am
off to see another local ENT which is most likely a waste of time and
money.My ENT is leaning toward poor mucociliary flow and mucosal
problems.Most of the mucopurulent drainage seems to be in bothe
maxillary sinus despite the widley patent condition in the
sinuses.Hopefully I can get another referal from the new Doc to go see
a true expert.In the meantime I will continue irrigating etc.To what
extent ,I wonder,does this type disease shorten ones life span?As the
body ages the complications of all this must get worse.    Any
comments are welcome and appreciated ---------Russ
knob - 27 Mar 2004 04:42 GMT
> After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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> body ages the complications of all this must get worse.    Any
> comments are welcome and appreciated ---------Russ

I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I got in to see a researcher and
he told me that although I am pretty open from surgery I still have
an infection.  He said one leading theory right now is that bacteria
grows on the surface of the sinus lining and develops a biofilm to
protect itself from antibiotics.  He mentioned a family of drugs
(which I can't remember right now) that may hold some promise.
There's other theories too but not many ent's will treat you based
on one.  Bottom line...  IMO, your screwed till there's a true
breakthrough.  I'll bet we're 10 years or more away from a cure.
Don Brady - 27 Mar 2004 05:03 GMT
>I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I got in to see a researcher and
>he told me that although I am pretty open from surgery I still have
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>on one.  Bottom line...  IMO, your screwed till there's a true
>breakthrough.  I'll bet we're 10 years or more away from a cure.

U. Penn. led by Dr. Kennedy believes that infection lodges int he bony ethmoid
partitions.  They remove a lot of the fine partitions to cure the infection.
knob - 27 Mar 2004 06:51 GMT
>>I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I got in to see a researcher and
>>he told me that although I am pretty open from surgery I still have
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> U. Penn. led by Dr. Kennedy believes that infection lodges int he bony ethmoid
> partitions.  They remove a lot of the fine partitions to cure the infection.

From what I read it didn't sound too promising.  Apparently it is best
if in the early stages of being chronic.   It would be great to hear
from someone who had this done.
Don Brady - 27 Mar 2004 08:49 GMT
>> U. Penn. led by Dr. Kennedy believes that infection lodges int he bony ethmoid
>> partitions.  They remove a lot of the fine partitions to cure the infection.
>
> From what I read it didn't sound too promising.  Apparently it is best
>if in the early stages of being chronic.   It would be great to hear
>from someone who had this done.

Actually as far as I know it is extremely promising.  They quote very good
statistics.

I had it done.  I never had obvious infections anyway, though, so I can't
personally comment that much on the cases of those who do.

Once caution I would have is that since it is somewhat more extensive surgery,
I would only have it done by a surgeon with extensive experience using this
approach.
Russell Thames - 27 Mar 2004 16:45 GMT
> >I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I got in to see a researcher and
> >he told me that although I am pretty open from surgery I still have
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> U. Penn. led by Dr. Kennedy believes that infection lodges int he bony ethmoid
> partitions.  They remove a lot of the fine partitions to cure the infection.

Unlikely this approach would benifit me as my problem lies in the maxillary sinuses
Russell Thames - 27 Mar 2004 16:56 GMT
> > After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> > infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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> on one.  Bottom line...  IMO, your screwed till there's a true
> breakthrough.  I'll bet we're 10 years or more away from a cure.

It's good to be optomistic but in my case I don't see how any
medication can repair damaged mucosa.It is my understanding that once
it reaches a point it never works correctly again.The only alternative
is to remove the disfunctional mucosa in hopes that the regrown
membranes work better i.e. roll the dice.
Don Brady - 27 Mar 2004 21:22 GMT
>It's good to be optomistic but in my case I don't see how any
>medication can repair damaged mucosa.It is my understanding that once
>it reaches a point it never works correctly again.
>The only alternative
>is to remove the disfunctional mucosa in hopes that the regrown
>membranes work better i.e. roll the dice.

That was the theory at one point but I believe the current expert consensus
opinion is now that the mucosa will recover once other factors are normalized.

I had one doctor tell me what you say above - that my maxillary sinuses were
diseased to the point that the only solution was to remove the mucosa.  I knew
by then that this was an out-of-date point of view and ignored her.

I had surgery a few years ago at U. Penn. and my maxillary sinuses are
improving steadily.

I can tell you the phases they go through as they recover.  First, the one
that was last to go opens up and gives a bloody taste.  Eventually, it stops
tasting bloody the the one that was originally first to go starts opening up on
the opposire side, and it tastes bloody until the inflammation goes down.

It's funny, but I can tell the state of my sinuses by the echo of my voice and
other factors.   I also have checkups periodically.  I can also juge by the
amount of post-nasal drainage I get.  It is possible to clear that now at least
on-and-off if I get the inflammation down.

Rest, exercise, and diet, and avoiding dust, are also critical for me.  I find
that a good night's sleep (9 hours) alone will reduce inflammation
considerably.  And vigorous exercise will open up and clear out the sinuses
just like irrigation.
DreamHarp7 - 27 Mar 2004 22:03 GMT
>Rest, exercise, and diet, and avoiding dust, are also critical for me.  I
>find
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>
>I can relate to the lack of rest.  My
chronic sinusitis began after I had
triplets. (also had a 2 year old) I had
no sleep or rest for 2 years!  What
kind of "diet" is best for chronic sinusitis?
High protein???
Don Brady - 27 Mar 2004 22:13 GMT
>>I can relate to the lack of rest.  My
> chronic sinusitis began after I had
> triplets. (also had a 2 year old) I had
> no sleep or rest for 2 years!

Ahh I suspect this is not unsual.   Try an exercise and  sleep weekend and see
if it helps  (I find I need exercise or I cannot sleep long periods, so I need
both).

>  What
> kind of "diet" is best for chronic sinusitis?
> High protein???

I would just say normalize it to correct any deficiencies - which may be hard
to identify.

I do find that evena  little Salmon helps me all over.  But you cannot go
overboard on this becuase of heavy metal contamination.  Eat only wild salmon,
not farmed for that reason (mercury).  It costs more but you can buy it in
Whole Foods frozen for a lower price.

I  would not personally go on a high-protein diet (except briefly perhaps to
lose wieght).

My own strict vegetarian diet was *too* low in protein.  This would probably
apply to almost nobody else.
knob - 28 Mar 2004 02:50 GMT
>>Rest, exercise, and diet, and avoiding dust, are also critical for me.  I
>>find
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>  kind of "diet" is best for chronic sinusitis?
>  High protein???

Can't hurt to try!  Go grill up a nice big steak.
NorthShoreCEO - 29 Mar 2004 00:07 GMT
Russell, I missed this the first time, but my ENT IS Dr. Stankiewicz
at Loyola in Maywood!  Please contact me.
NorthShoreCEO - 29 Mar 2004 01:05 GMT
Russell, I missed this the first time, but my ENT IS Dr. Stankiewicz
at Loyola in Maywood!  Please contact me.
ARoberts - 29 Mar 2004 15:38 GMT
> Russell, I missed this the first time, but my ENT IS Dr. Stankiewicz
> at Loyola in Maywood!  Please contact me.

And mine as well (as you know, M.).  He is the best!
ARoberts - 30 Mar 2004 03:45 GMT
> Russell, I missed this the first time, but my ENT IS Dr. Stankiewicz
> at Loyola in Maywood!  Please contact me.

And mine as well (as you know, M.).  He is the best!
Steven Litvintchouk - 27 Mar 2004 17:43 GMT
>> After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
>> infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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> grows on the surface of the sinus lining and develops a biofilm to
> protect itself from antibiotics.  

Biofilms are just the latest hot topic when it comes to chronic
sinusitis.  We've also got Mayo Clinic's theory of fungal sinusitis,
UPenn's theory of ethmoid partition infection, MetroHealth's maxillary
recirculation phenomenon theory, on and on and on.

Sinusitis may be like cancer in that in reality, there isn't one single
disease called "sinusitis" or "cancer", but a host of separate disorders
that all have to be treated differently.  There is no similarity between
the etiology of leukemia and lung cancer or colorectal cancer, nor are
they treated the same ways either.

-- Steven L.
Monika - 27 Mar 2004 10:57 GMT
long shot....

i got a different infection after having FESS... a nasty bug i picked up at
the hospital. anyways, they did a C&S and identified the bug (pseudomonas).
four months and five antibiotics later i was finally rid of it.

anyways, i think the nasal rinse/spray of the antibiotic and the oral
antibiotic combination was the most effective treatment.

i don't know what "bug" you all are suffering from, but the double whammie
(oral and topical) antibiotic worked for me.

best wishes

> After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> body ages the complications of all this must get worse.    Any
> comments are welcome and appreciated ---------Russ
knob - 28 Mar 2004 02:54 GMT
I think it's great that you shared this information.  However
what keeps people around here after they are cured?

> X-no-archive: yes
>
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>>body ages the complications of all this must get worse.    Any
>>comments are welcome and appreciated ---------Russ
Don Brady - 28 Mar 2004 04:02 GMT
>I think it's great that you shared this information.  However
>what keeps people around here after they are cured?

Seldom is one completely cured.  

Rather, one gets sinusitis under control,  to the extent that it does not
impair one's lifestyle.

We have had a few people who did totally cure themselves and pretty well drop
out though (including the FAQ author).
Steven Litvintchouk - 28 Mar 2004 16:27 GMT
>>I think it's great that you shared this information.  However
>>what keeps people around here after they are cured?
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> We have had a few people who did totally cure themselves and pretty well drop
> out though (including the FAQ author).

I'm glad for him, but it means that the FAQ hasn't been updated in 5 years.

I've been thinking of updating it, but I think it needs such major
revision that it's too big a job for me to do alone.  (hint hint)

For one thing, the FAQ as written isn't really a "Frequently Asked
QUESTIONS" list--where are the questions?  It's more of a tutorial on
sinusitis, which is unnecessary by now since there are enough great
websites it can simply just point to.

We've seen a lot of frequently asked questions on this NG.  Like what
antibiotic(s) to use, what to do if you have mysterious symptoms, etc.
That's what a true FAQ list should have.

-- Steven L.
Don Brady - 28 Mar 2004 22:57 GMT
>I've been thinking of updating it, but I think it needs such major
>revision that it's too big a job for me to do alone.  (hint hint)

That's great Steven.   Maybe we can work on it as a group effort

Do you want to coordinate it?

I for one will be glad to help - just let me know what you need or propose a
manner of proceeding.

Then maybe we can submit a draft later for comments and iterate until there is
a consensus in favor of it.

>For one thing, the FAQ as written isn't really a "Frequently Asked
>QUESTIONS" list--where are the questions?  It's more of a tutorial on
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>antibiotic(s) to use, what to do if you have mysterious symptoms, etc.
>That's what a true FAQ list should have.
Steven Litvintchouk - 29 Mar 2004 03:00 GMT
>>I've been thinking of updating it, but I think it needs such major
>>revision that it's too big a job for me to do alone.  (hint hint)
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> I for one will be glad to help - just let me know what you need or propose a
> manner of proceeding.

I'm going to initiate a separate discussion thread on this alone, so
that others will be sure to see it.

-- Steven L.
Don Brady - 29 Mar 2004 03:04 GMT
>I'm going to initiate a separate discussion thread on this alone, so
>that others will be sure to see it.

Excellent!

Don
CanDo - 28 Mar 2004 16:52 GMT
<< "Don Brady", you said: Seldom is one completely cured.

Rather, one gets sinusitis under control,  to the extent that it does not
impair one's lifestyle.

We have had a few people who did totally cure themselves and pretty well
drop out though (including the FAQ author). >>

<=========================================>

It's now been about 2.5 years since I started flooding my sinuses with
peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt (average 2 times per month). I have
not had another sinus infection during that time. Also, during that time, I
have given myself electro-acupuncture sinus treatments and my sinuses feel
great most of the time.
iJah - 28 Mar 2004 19:57 GMT
<< "Don Brady", you said: Seldom is one completely cured.

>Rather, one gets sinusitis under control,  to the extent that it does not
>impair one's lifestyle.
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>
> <=========================================>

>It's now been about 2.5 years since I started flooding my sinuses with
>peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt (average 2 times per month). I have
>not had another sinus infection during that time. Also, during that time, I
>have given myself electro-acupuncture sinus treatments and my sinuses feel
>great most of the time.

Can you elucidate on how you give yourself 'electro-accupuncture'
sinus treatments please or point me to some info on the subject?

I've been using accupressure to relieve neck and headache pain and it
seems to work - not as well as a narcotic pain killer might - but it's
certainly far less innocuous than using pain killers or anything of
that sort.
CanDo - 29 Mar 2004 00:27 GMT
<< "iJah", you posted: Can you elucidate on how you give yourself
'electro-accupuncture' sinus treatments please or point me to some info on
the subject?

I've been using accupressure to relieve neck and headache pain and it seems
to work - not as well as a narcotic pain killer might - but it's certainly
far less innocuous than using pain killers or anything of that sort. >>

<=======================================>

I bought a KWD-808-I acupuncture machine from goacupuncture.com. Follow the
following link to that KWD-808-I info page:

http://www.goacupuncture.com/cgi-bin/ns/ProductDetail.pl?SkuNo=G-06A

It sells for $99.00 I could not find it cheaper at any other place, but you
might be able to.

There are three main important "acupuncture" sinus areas that I treated. I
first treated almost the entire top of my head, for an hour, with
electro-pads. But first, I shaved the top of my balding head so that the
pads will stick. The results were dramatic.

Another important acupuncture sinus area is the back of the head. I didn't
want to use needles, or shave the back of my head, so I used a heating pad
on the back of my head for an hour. It seemed to help.

There are also some important points under the nostrils and to the sides of
the nostrils, which I treated. There are also some other important sinus
points.

I know that the "upside down sinus flooding" with peroxide, baking soda and
kosher salt solved my sinus infection problems, but it did not take away my
sinus problems. I really feel strongly that the electro-acupuncture
treatments have resulted in my wide open and comfortable sinuses. They have
never been better.

To read more about what I did, and to read other's comments about
acupuncture, you can browse thru the notes at Healthboards.com's acupuncture
thread. Over there, I use the nickname Beerzoids. Here is a good place to
start to read, if you are interested:

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=13886&page=5&pp=5

My acupuncture posts start mainly with post #23.
Don Brady - 28 Mar 2004 22:52 GMT
>It's now been about 2.5 years since I started flooding my sinuses with
>peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt (average 2 times per month). I have
>not had another sinus infection during that time. Also, during that time, I
>have given myself electro-acupuncture sinus treatments and my sinuses feel
>great most of the time.

You've been succesful too then - that's great!
NorthShoreCEO - 29 Mar 2004 00:03 GMT
Russell, as one who has been there, done that - let me just share my
experience with you.

I had repeated sinus infections for twenty years.  I had asthma for 33
years.  Every day I was on Theo-Dur, Singulair, Advair Diskus 500/50,
Guaifenesin, Flonase and then Albuterol for my rescue inhaler.  There
was no such thing as a simple cold for me - every little sniffle that
someone around me got, resulted in a sinus infection for me, or a bout
with bronchitis.  I had pneumonia five times and went through three
sinus surgeries.  The surgeries only seemed to help a little.  Each
year my health seemed to be worse than the year before. Allergy shots
did little.

You may have an anaerobic infection which would require Metronidazole.
You may have a fungus that the Mayo Clinic recently stated was
responsible for some chronic sinus problems.  Or you may have had, at
one point, either mycoplasma or chlamydia pneumoniae - both airborne,
both can enter the body through the mouth or nasal passages and wreak
havoc on you.  At least in the case of chlamydia pneumoniae, it (like
the sexually transmitted chlamydia) can continue to travel further
into your body - sometimes resulting in asthma over time if it hasn't
been eradicated.

PCR is a newer dna test and if it involves swabbing or testing sinus
backwash after flushing, the results may be inconclusive.  No
standards have really been set for these tests yet.  The best way to
test for asthma caused by one of those bacteria is with a bronchoscopy
- an invasive procedure to test tissue sample taken from the lung.  I
don't know if there's such a test for the sinuses.  The doctor I saw
in Madison last year who discovered a link between c. pneumoniae and
some of these problems, and has been studying them for 15 years,
tested me with serology tests and by swabbing my throat and also
gargling and testing the backwash.  The pcr tests came back negative.
The serology tests showed that at some time in the past, I'd had both
mycoplasma and c. pneumoniae.  So, odds were good that it was probably
making my condition worse.  The doctor treated me with Azithromycin
aka Zpak or Zithromax.  I took 500 mgs for three days, followed by 750
mgs a week later, and once a week following for a total of 12 weeks.
Much to my surprise - and the surprise of the doctor in Madison, since
I'd had this for so long, the asthma was completely resolved and I've
been off all asthma meds for almost a year.  My allergies went from
severe to mild.  My sinus problems went from nonstop and severe to
mild and related to the allergies - and for once are actually not even
noticeable with the antihistimine and nasal spray I take.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to find doctors who will look at this
research that has been taking place for years.  Some still don't
consider that you might have an anaerobic sinus infection (I did
once!), nor will they do anything to test for fungus despite the fact
that Mayo has come out with some interesting evidence on it.

Also, some doctors (and people reading this, no doubt) will say that
taking an antibiotic for 12 weeks is dangerous and blah blah blah.  I
always laugh at that one.  Azithromycin was actually tested for twelve
weeks by the FDA with no problems except in those who had liver
disease.  Docs can give you antibiotics for a year if it's acne, but
if it's something else, nobody wants you to have it for some reason.
I was on them four or five times a year every year anyway, not to
mention the cortisone shots and prednisone bursts - and maybe it's me,
but I didn't view a continuation of that to be the healthier thing to
do.  This past year is the first year I've not been on any antibiotic
(since the Azithromycin) since I was 15.  I'm 49 now.

I don't know where you're located, but if you want to know more,
either write me at the email address shown in this post, or visit
www.asthmastory.com and write me there.  I'm a forum moderator, not
the person who put the site together.  I can give you the name of my
ENT who treats for fungus, anaerobic infections and is now treating
people if he suspects the cause of their problems is mycoplasma or c.
pneumoniae that you once had (not a current, active infection or you'd
be a lot sicker).  If you're in WI, I can give you that doctors name
instead.  (the one who has been studying this and resolved my asthma,
my son's asthma, my friends son's asthma and the asthma of a lot of
people I don't know....lol)

Oh - for the record - I've posted here in the past with problems just
like you and haven't been around because I no longer have a need.  I'm
not selling anything - just took a look at the newsgroup on this rainy
afternoon and felt compelled to write.

Whatever you do - good luck and may you be blessed to find the health
I've been gifted with.
Monika - 28 Mar 2004 09:32 GMT
> I think it's great that you shared this information.  However
> what keeps people around here after they are cured?

for me, it's gratitude for the information i got from this NG.

i don't 'read' the NG much these days... maybe every month or so. but if i
can give any info back, i am glad to do so.

> anyways, i think the nasal rinse/spray of the antibiotic and the oral
> antibiotic combination was the most effective treatment.

FWIW, the antibiotic nasal rinse/spray was something suggested in the NG, i
asked my doc about it, he thought it was a good/interesting idea. and it
worked great for me.

cheers!

oh, and i haven't had a sinus infection (once i got over that nasty
pseudomonas bug), since the FESS *knocking on wood*. it's been a year now.
yeah!!!!
Steven Litvintchouk - 27 Mar 2004 17:16 GMT
> After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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> maxillary sinus despite the widley patent condition in the
> sinuses.

Has your ENT considered that you may have a recirculation disorder
caused by a slight problem with your surgeries?  Here is an article you
might show him:

Iatrogenic maxillary sinus recirculation and beyond. (Original Article).

Ear, Nose & Throat Journal, Jan, 2003, by Michael Gutman, Steve Houser

Abstract

Recirculation of nasal mucus occurs when secretions that have been
transported out of the natural maxillary ostium return to the sinus via
a surgically created or accessory ostium. Recirculation increases the
risk of persistent sinus infection. In this article, we describe a case
of mucus recirculation in a patient who had not responded to two
previous sinus surgeries for recurrent rhinosinusitis. We also postulate
the possibility of ethmoid recirculation.

Introduction

Functional endoscopic sinus surgery has been a most successful
procedure, and clinical failure rates of less than 10% have been
reported in the literature. (1) According to the Messerklinger approach,
the key to eliminating persistent sinus infection is to re-establish
physiologic mucociliary clearance patterns. (2) Patients in whom sinus
surgery has failed have often exhibited evidence that their mucociliary
clearance pathways were functionally or anatomically obstructed. One
functional mechanism that has been well described is the recirculation
phenomenon. (3,4)

Recirculation occurs when secretions that have been transported out of
the natural maxillary ostium return to the sinus via a surgically
created or accessory ostium; the process then becomes cyclical. (5)
Matthews and Burke described the adverse effect of recirculation: "The
putative mechanism of sinus disease related to this recirculation
involves the repeated presentation of allergens, bacteria, and
inflammatory mediators contained in the mucus. If the mucus is not
cleared, its viscidity increases, and its concentration of inflammatory
agents increases its potential for inducing sinus mucosal inflammation
and disease." (6)

In this article, we describe our endoscopic identification of an
incontrovertible case of mucus recirculation in a patient who had not
responded to two earlier sinus surgeries for recurrent rhinosinusitis.
We also emphasize the principles of the diagnosis and treatment of
recirculation, and we postulate the possibility of ethmoid recirculation.

Case report

In 2000, we evaluated a 48-year-old man who had recurrent rhinosinusitis
despite having undergone sinus surgery in 1996 and 1997. He had
experienced a brief period of relief following the second operation, but
thereafter several acute infections of worsening severity ensued. During
our initial evaluation, the patient complained of severe nasal
congestion and thick postnasal drainage despite more than 4 weeks of
culture-specific antibiotic therapy. Adjunctive nasal irrigation had
also been unsuccessful in alleviating his symptoms.

Fiberoptic examination of the nasal cavities revealed that the
iatrogenic ostia were patent bilaterally. A drop of turbid mucus was
detected resting above the left iatrogenic ostium. Computed tomography
(CT) detected a bilateral soft-tissue obstruction of the natural ostia,
which were discontinuous with the surgically created ostia (figure 1).

Based on these findings, the patient was taken for revision endoscopic
sinus surgery. Intraoperatively, we noted that a tenacious ring of clear
mucus was circulating through the natural and iatrogenic maxillary ostia
(figure 2). To connect the two ostia, we inserted the ball-tipped end of
the Houser Freer-seeker (Instrumentarium Surgical Corp.; Terrebonne,
Que.) into the natural ostium and pulled it downward into the large
iatrogenic ostium. We then sharply debrided the tissue remnants with the
Hummer microdebrider (Stryker Leibinger; Kalamazoo, Mich.). We also
performed bilateral revision anterior and posterior ethmoidectomies, a
right frontal sinusotomy, and a reduction of the inferior turbinates.

Follow-up endoscopy 3 months following surgery revealed that the new
ostium was widely patent and well healed (figure 3). At 14 months, the
patient reported a significant improvement in his condition; compared
with his preoperative state, he was experiencing less congestion, mucus
formation, and fatigue. Since then, he has required one course of
antibiotic treatment. He continues to use a nasal irrigator periodically
as needed (less frequently than before) and he continues to use a
steroid nasal spray regularly.

Discussion

Under normal circumstances, clearance from the maxillary sinus proceeds
from the natural ostium, which is usually located in the posterior third
of the ethmoid infundibulum. (7) The secretions then traverse from the
hiatus semilunaris to the medial wall of the inferior turbinate, and
then they move posteriorly to the nasopharynx. It has been well
established that mucus is cleared from the maxillary sinus via the
natural ostium even in the presence of large nasoantral or middle meatal
windows that are separate from the natural ostia. (2) In our patient,
the CT finding of discontinuity between the natural and iatrogenic ostia
led us to suspect that recirculation had been occurring. Our suspicion
was confirmed endoscopically. During surgery, we re-established a
physiologic mucociliary pathway by connecting the two ostia in the
manner described by Coleman and Duncavage. (8)

Theoretically, recirculation can occur in any sinus that has an
accessory or iatrogenic ostium through which mucus can return to the
sinus. The recirculation phenomenon has been observed in the sphenoid
sinus.9 It has also been documented in a maxillary sinus following the
creation of nasoantral windows. Recirculation has even been documented
by graphite tracing in the ethmoid cavity following posterior
ethmoidectomy. (10) We suggest that recirculation can occur following an
anterior ethmoidectomy as well; such a process has not been previously
reported in the literature.

During an anterior ethmoidectomy, the typical first step is to perforate
the anteroinferior wall of the ethmoid bulla. A microdebrider or forceps
is then used to more fully open the bulla. If only an anterior
ethmoidectomy is indicated, then the surgeon might inadvertently leave
the posterior wall of the bulla intact. The posterior wall of the bulla
tightly overlies the retrobullar space and basal lamella. The natural
drainage point for the ethmoid bulla is frequently located at the most
lateral part of the posterior bullar wall. This point would remain
discontinuous with the iatrogenic defect if a bridge of posterior bullar
wall that is medial to the natural ostium remains intact. According to
the findings of Waguespack's study of mucociliary clearance following
sinus surgery, mucus situated on the lamina papyracea, previously the
lateral wall of the bulla, will flow posteriorly onto the basal lamella.
(10) We suspect that this mucus could easily loop back over the
surgically created bridge of tissue and est ablish a circular flow pattern.

In order to prevent ethmoid recirculation, we prefer to identify the
ostium of the bulla and resect the bridge of the posterior bullar wall.
To achieve this, we introduce a curved seeker along the lateral surface
of the middle turbinate, back toward the basal lamella. We gently pass
the seeker into the retrobullar space between the basal lamella and the
posterior bullar wall. With careful manipulation, the seeker tip can be
seen as it passes through the natural ostium of the bulla (figure 4).
The seeker is then pulled back toward the surgeon to break the
intervening bridge. A microdebrider can then effectively remove the
remnants of the broken tissue bridge.

In conclusion, sinus surgery can be very successful if physiologic
pathways of mucociliary clearance are reestablished. The sinus surgeon
should be meticulous in connecting any accessory or surgically created
drainage pathways with the natural ostia. Although recirculation
following anterior ethmoidectomy is purely hypothetical at this point,
its existence is anatomically intuitive. Ethmoid recirculation might
account for some cases of persistent sinus disease and symptoms despite
an otherwise satisfactory anterior ethmoidectomy. The technique we have
described is fairly simple and adds minimal time to the length of the
surgical procedure.

References

(1.) Citardi MJ, Sillers MJ. The management of chronic rhinosinusitis
after failed sinus surgery. International Online Journal of
Otorhinolaryngology--Head and Neck Surgery 1998;1:1-4.

(2.) Stammberger HR. Functional Endoscopic Sinus Surgery. The
Messerklinger Technique. Philadelphia: B.C. Decker, 1991:17-37.

(3.) Yanagisawa E, Yanagisawa K. Endoscopic view of recirculation
phenomenon of the maxillary sinus. Ear Nose Throat J 1997;76:196-8.

(4.) Chung SK, Dhong HJ, Na DG. Mucus circulation between accessory
ostium and natural ostium of maxillary sinus. J Laryngol Otol
1999;113:865-7.

(5.) Kennedy D, Shanlan H. Reevaluation of maxillary sinus surgery:
Experimental study in rabbits, Ann Otol Rhinol Laryngol 1989;98:901-6.

(6.) Matthews BL, Burke AJ. Recirculation of mucus via accessory ostia
causing chronic maxillary sinus disease. Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg
1997;117:422-3.

(7.) Hollinshead WH. Anatomy for Surgeons. Vol. 1: The Head and Neck.
3rd ed. Philadelphia: Harper and Row, 1982:261-3.

(8.) Coleman JR, Jr., Duncavage JA. Extended middle meatal antrostomy:
The treatment of circular flow. Laryngoscope 1996;106:1214-7.

(9.) Yanagisawa E, Weaver EM. Endoscopic view of the recirculation
phenomenon of sphenoid sinus drainage, Ear Nose Throat J 1996;75:68-70.

(10.) Waguespack R. Mucociliary clearance patterns following endoscopic
sinus surgery. Laryngoscope 1995;105(7 Pt 2 Suppl 71):1-40.

From the Department of Otolaryngology, MetroHealth Medical Center,
Cleveland, and the School of Medicine, Case Western Reserve University,
Cleveland.

Reprint requests: Steve Houser, MD, Department of Otolaryngology,
MetroHealth Medical Center, 2500 MetroHealth Dr., Cleveland, OH
44109-1998. Phone: (216) 778-3453; tax: (216) 778-7868; e-mail:
shouser@metrohealth.org

COPYRIGHT 2003 Medquest Communications, LLC in association with The Gale
Group and LookSmart.
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group

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-- Steven L.
Russell Thames - 29 Mar 2004 00:44 GMT
> > After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> > infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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>
> -- Steven L.

     Thank you for the info Steven.I will print it and take it with
to my next appointment.Now you went and got my hopes up!       Russ
Steven Litvintchouk - 29 Mar 2004 03:47 GMT
>>>After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
>>>infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
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>       Thank you for the info Steven.I will print it and take it with
> to my next appointment.Now you went and got my hopes up!       Russ

Great!
I thought about it because the published case study (a guy with two
surgeries for maxillary sinusitis who still gets recurrent infection)
sounded like your experience.

It's also like my experience, which is why I am currently investigating
that possibility with myself as well.

-- Steven L.
Steven Litvintchouk - 29 Mar 2004 03:55 GMT
>>>After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
>>>infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.Many thanks to
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>       Thank you for the info Steven.I will print it and take it with
> to my next appointment.Now you went and got my hopes up!       Russ

One thing you need to tell your ENT:

Recirculation can occur whenever there is *any* secondary hole in your
sinus.  It doesn't have to be a naso-antral window deliberately created
by your surgeon.  I assume you had a maxillary antrostomy (as I did),
rather than a naso-antral window.

But even a tiny perforation in your sinus wall that was *accidentally*
created by your surgeon, can create a secondary hole thru which mucus
that is outside your sinus can actually leak right back into your sinus.
 Yes, that mucus will eventually come out of your sinus thru the
ostium-- but then it can leak right back inside thru the secondary hole,
causing recirculation.

To be sure, your ENT has to use his endoscope and examine every
millimeter of your sinuses to be sure that no new tiny little holes
exist there, either deliberately or inadvertently created during surgery.

-- Steven L.
Steven Litvintchouk - 29 Mar 2004 04:15 GMT
> After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.

When you say you have done "everything you know," have you investigated
whether you might have even a mild borderline immunodeficiency?

The immune system is highly complex.  It is quite common to have a
deficiency in just those components of it that deal with respiratory
infections only.

"Any patients with chronic sinusitis, which is poorly responsive to
treatment, should have an extensive immunological evaluation including
immunoglobulin levels, possible IgG subtypes, and antibody testing.
Pneumococcal, diphtheria, and tetanus antibodies should be
tested before and after Pneumovax and diphtheria/tetanus immunizations.
Evaluation should be done by an immunologist familiar with
testing as results can be difficult to interpret. Briefly, 12 different
subtypes of the pneumococcal antigen should ideally be tested with an
adequate rise in the antibody titer to determine that the patient has
responded to the vaccine. In cases where an immunodeficiency is
found, monthly immunoglobulin (IVIG) therapy may need to be initiated.
Selected patients may occasionally warrant IVIG despite
normal antibody levels. Such patients must be selectively chosen by
experienced clinicians, as IVIG is extremely costly."

http://www.sinuses.com/search_site.cgi?fname=postsurg.htm&db=s&skw=immunoglobuli
n&method=and#link


***Another and simpler set of challenges that some immunologists use, is
to use just the pneumovax immunization and a special vaccine consisting
of killed Hemophilus Influenzae bacteria--this has to be specially ordered.

-- Steven L.
Russell Thames - 30 Mar 2004 00:24 GMT
> > After having FESS in may 03 and revision Oct 03 I stiil have
> > infection.I have done everything I know to resolve it.
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>
> -- Steven L.

I am aware of this but my ENT never suggested it.Instead he felt it
best to send me to see Dr. Stankiewicz ,who from what I understand
,has vast experience with unusual cases like mine.I have no doubt that
he would pursue it,but I have to jump through all the hoops to try to
get my insurance to cover at least part of it.The nurse at my ENT
office said it's 1000.00 just to walk through the door and if he
decided to do a debridment,800.00 and so on.I could handle the first
visit but after that would be tough.Even after a year of this BS it
seems like I am in the early stages of resolution.Again Thank You.    
Russ
ENTconsult - 30 Mar 2004 02:44 GMT
the factor of immunodeficiency can not be overstated esp to this group.
It is not uncommon to have this diagnosis made after the 3rd sinus operation,
whereas has it been made originally these additional surgeries might have been
avoided.
How to tell? Generally if you need another sinus operation within 12 months
after the previous one, despite maximum therapy, that can be a sign fo
immunodeficiency.
The diagnosis is made by blood test.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Steven Litvintchouk - 30 Mar 2004 21:17 GMT
> the factor of immunodeficiency can not be overstated esp to this group.
> It is not uncommon to have this diagnosis made after the 3rd sinus operation,
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> immunodeficiency.
> The diagnosis is made by blood test.

But I must stress from personal experience that if you want to
investigate immunodeficiency, you must find an immunologist who is
highly experienced in immunological disorders.  And even in the Boston
area, with such great hospitals as Massachusetts General, those experts
seem to be very few in number.

Many so-called "immunologists" are just glorified allergists who don't
know much about how to interpret the blood tests properly or treat the
condition if it exists.  Make sure you ask what the physician's
expertise in immunological disorders is, before you ask for an appointment.

-- Steven L.
 
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