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KellyH - 18 Mar 2004 21:18 GMT
Hi there.  I got the Grossan irrigation system about a week ago, and it
helps somewhat.  I only feel temporary relief right after I irrigate, but
within 30 minutes, I am right back to my usual level of discomfort.  I have
pain under my eyes, and my ears hurt, like I always have to "pop" them by
opening my mouth wide.  I don't have nasal congestion, generally.  Maybe the
irrigator wasn't really what I needed, since nasal congestion isn't my main
problem.  I can breathe fine, I don't feel stopped up.  What I feel is
pressure in my face, it makes my upper teeth hurt sometimes, and pressure in
my ears.  I take decongestants sometimes, and they really do nothing for me.
Hot showers, hot drinks provide temporary relief.  I thought irrigation
would be the answer, but that also seems to be temporary.  Does irrigation
work over time?
What else might work for me?
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Bob - 20 Mar 2004 01:27 GMT
It seems sleeping with a cool mist humidifier has given me much relief I
only get temporary relief from hot baths also.Bob


Don Brady - 20 Mar 2004 05:03 GMT
>It seems sleeping with a cool mist humidifier has given me much relief I
>only get temporary relief from hot baths also.Bob

Great but watch for mold growth.
Bob - 20 Mar 2004 15:12 GMT
True but my ent told me regardless of mold issues and risks of
germs,humidity is best.It keeps me breathing without decongestants.Im
becoming more and more a believer of water therapy for ailments.Bob


Steven Litvintchouk - 20 Mar 2004 18:42 GMT
> True but my ent told me regardless of mold issues and risks of
> germs,humidity is best.

Your ENT is incorrect.  Constant exposure to high concentrations of mold
spores can cause respiratory problems even if you're not allergic to
that mold.

Ask your ENT if he will pay for mold remediation in your home, should it
occur.  :-)

I had a physician who gave me similar advice.  I ended up with mildew
everywhere in my home, and it cost a small fortune to remediate it
because it had actually eaten thru some cabinets and sheetrock.

-- Steven L.
ENTconsult - 21 Mar 2004 06:23 GMT
If you let pans of water evaporate in your bedroom, the humidity probably won't
go over 50%.
You can moisten your nose with sprays and moisturizer gels.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
ENTconsult - 21 Mar 2004 06:28 GMT
here is some mold information from "How to Be Free Of Sinus Disease"

Tips for Eliminating Mold in the Home
Recent news stories indicate out of control mold growth has caused people to
abandon their homes and close their businesses, leading to millions of dollars
in lost business or homeowner's insurance claims. Mold can also have a
devastating impact on individuals.

For many people, mold is an allergy trigger that brings on sneezing and other
irritating symptoms.

"There is good evidence that people who live in moldy environments have
increased health problems including asthma, nasal congestion, and possible
fatigue, headaches and other problems that are not well understood," said Jay
Portnoy, MD, FAAAAI. "Mold avoidance may improve these symptoms."

The best way to find mold is to look in dark, damp, warm environments. It can
grow almost anywhere: on sheet rock, carpet, wood panels, garbage cans and
basement walls. Mold can even grow in areas that are not easily visible, such
as inside walls and furniture. Excessive indoor humidity, resulting in water
vapor condensation on walls, plumbing leaks, spills from showering or bathing,
water leaking through foundations or roofs, may lead to growth of many types of
mold.

Mold exposure can trigger allergic reactions in people who have allergies.
Symptoms include wheezing, difficulty breathing and shortness of breath, nasal
and sinus congestion, irritated eyes, a dry, hacking cough, irritated nose or
throat and skin rashes or irritation.

Controlling Indoor Mold:
According to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (AAAAI),
taking the following steps to rid your home or business of molds can lead to a
decrease in allergy symptoms and lessen the potential burden on your
pocketbook:

> Clean the area. Use a solution of water and dish detergent to clean the moldy
area.. Then wipe off the mold. Remember to wear rubber gloves and use a
protective mask if your symptoms are severe.

> Remove the source. If mold or mildew is visible in carpeting or on wallpaper,
remove them from your home. Also, if you have a leaky pipe or roof, quickly
repair and seal these moisture sources.

> Dry it out. Use exhaust fans in the bathroom and wipe down the shower after
use. Periodically clean the bathroom and other mold-promoting places with a
product that kills mold and mildew, and throw away shower curtains at the first
sight of mold.

> Lower humidity. Try to maintain a humidity level of 30 to 40 percent in your
house.

> Stay above ground. In general, it's not a good idea for people with mold
allergies to have a bedroom or a family/work room in the basement.
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> Air it out. Ventilate damp rooms, attics and even crawl spaces under the
house to try to keep them dry. If you use a dehumidifier, empty and clean it
regularly to prevent mildew from forming. Also, air filters may help control
airborne mold spores throughout your house.

All rooms, especially basements, bathrooms and kitchens, require ventilation
and consistent cleaning to control mold growth.

A light bulb in the closet or basement or under the house can be quite
beneficial. Mold doesn’t do well in light.

Toxic mold
There are 100,000 types of mold, however, only a few are toxic. These molds
produce chemicals called mycotoxins that can cause rashes, seizures,
respiratory problems, unusual bleeding and severe fatigue in people.

One form of toxic mold is stachybotrys chartarum (stack-ee-BOT-ris), a
greenish-black mold that occurs where there is moisture from water damage,
excessive humidity, water leaks, condensation, water infiltration, or flooding.
This mold requires very wet or high humid conditions for days or weeks in order
to grow. Stachybotrys grows only on wood, paper and cotton products and can be
found in 2%-5% of American homes.

"Since most molds are not toxic, you should not panic if you see it in your
house," Portnoy said. "If you think you have symptoms that are related to mold,
you should contact your local allergist for advice. Your allergist also should
be able to tell whether your home needs to be inspected and how to get that
done."

Another method is to have a light shining in suspected places. The heat tends
to dry out the area and mold hates light.

Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Bob - 21 Mar 2004 15:48 GMT
I still agree with my ENTs advice, its still better to have humidity
than be dry.He also stated not to mix ones own saline solution as too
salty or mot salty enough cause problems also.My rec center is running
about 60 % relative and people say it clears their sinuses. Im running a
cold water evaporative humidifier in my bedroom and my 2 windows in
there are not sweating so I doubt the humidity is too high, just my own
thoughs as lately Im in praise of water therapy.Bob


Don Brady - 21 Mar 2004 19:38 GMT
>I still agree with my ENTs advice, its still better to have humidity
>than be dry.He also stated not to mix ones own saline solution as too
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>there are not sweating so I doubt the humidity is too high, just my own
>thoughs as lately Im in praise of water therapy.Bob

Oh it helps them drain alright but just be prepared for chronic sinusitis if
mold forms and gives you severe allergies and starts establishing a presence in
your sinuses..

I think that is what happened to me.   I used to keep everything humid too....
Steven Litvintchouk - 20 Mar 2004 18:43 GMT
> Hi there.  I got the Grossan irrigation system about a week ago, and it
> helps somewhat.  I only feel temporary relief right after I irrigate, but
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> work over time?
> What else might work for me?

You need to see an ENT.
If you have chronic sinusitis, you need more aggressive therapy than
just irrigation--you may need prescription meds.

-- Steven L.
 
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