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I'm Still Clogged Up and Producing Green Mucus (Since October)

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Tony Banana - 25 Feb 2004 16:47 GMT
I've tried Biaxin (7 days), Augmentin (14 days) and now Cipro for 10 days
and my sinuses are still infected.

I'm irrigating twice a day with salt water using an ear bulb.

What should I tell my doctor tomorrow ?

Thanks,

Tony
Dali - 25 Feb 2004 18:41 GMT
Try irrigating with bactroban or another antibiotic solution. that
should do it.

>I've tried Biaxin (7 days), Augmentin (14 days) and now Cipro for 10 days
>and my sinuses are still infected.
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>
>Tony
Tony Banana - 25 Feb 2004 23:31 GMT
> Try irrigating with bactroban or another antibiotic solution. that
> should do it.

Do I need a prescription for bactroban ?

I never heard of it and I bet my doctor never did either.

Tony
Dali - 25 Feb 2004 23:56 GMT
Yep, they have a liquid for it. It's given to alot of nurses in
hospitals these days.

>> Try irrigating with bactroban or another antibiotic solution. that
>> should do it.
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>
>Tony
Dali - 25 Feb 2004 23:56 GMT
your probly right. sighs

>I never heard of it and I bet my doctor never did either.
Steven Litvintchouk - 27 Feb 2004 15:22 GMT
>>Try irrigating with bactroban or another antibiotic solution. that
>>should do it.
>
> Do I need a prescription for bactroban ?
>
> I never heard of it and I bet my doctor never did either.

Bactroban isn't all that good.
Ask your doctor for a prescription for a gentamicin irrigation solution.

-- Steven L.
Dali - 27 Feb 2004 18:38 GMT
Really? it saved my life because it is good against strep pyogenes.
thanks for the name drop on the other antibiotic.

>>>Try irrigating with bactroban or another antibiotic solution. that
>>>should do it.
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>
>-- Steven L.
ENTconsult - 26 Feb 2004 03:49 GMT
after failing three antibiotics you should have your nasal cliia checked, as
well as a CT scan.
Failure after three antibiotics may be due to failure of cilia movement or an
anatomical problem.
Are you taking enough tea and liquids, compresses?

Ask your doctor about using pulsatile irrigation to restore the cila function.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Tony Banana - 26 Feb 2004 04:22 GMT
> after failing three antibiotics you should have your nasal cliia checked, as
> well as a CT scan.
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> Murray Grossan, M.D.
> http://www.ent-consult.com

I had a CT scan performed following 2 weeks of Augmentin.  The scan
showed no sign of disease or structural problems.

I can breathe through my nose if I take Sudafed to open it.

I drink water all day long.

What's so special about tea ?  Is it the steam or does
the warm liquid somehow cause a reaction in the sinuses ?

Thanks,

Tony
ENTconsult - 26 Feb 2004 07:07 GMT
There is a chemical in the tea that stimulates the nasal and bronchial cilia .
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
Dali - 26 Feb 2004 08:52 GMT
Did the CT show alot of swelling in the sinuses?

>> after failing three antibiotics you should have your nasal cliia checked,
>as
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>Tony
Tony Banana - 26 Feb 2004 16:51 GMT
> Did the CT show alot of swelling in the sinuses?

The ENT didn't say anything about swelling.

He just showed me that the sinuses were black.  He
said if there were gray areas, that would mean I
have an infection.
Dali - 26 Feb 2004 18:50 GMT
You can see by yourself if the sinuses are inflamed. Sadly many ENT's
do not take this into account. Mine were inflamed and then they
scraped out the scar tissue. I have no more top sinuses. Can't say
this enough, inflamation can be an infection. good luck

>> Did the CT show alot of swelling in the sinuses?
>
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>said if there were gray areas, that would mean I
>have an infection.
Steven Litvintchouk - 27 Feb 2004 15:21 GMT
>>Did the CT show alot of swelling in the sinuses?
>
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> said if there were gray areas, that would mean I
> have an infection.

Your ENT doesn't know what he's talking about.
My ENT says that green (as opposed to just yellowish) mucus is an
infection.  Period.  My ENT was also smart enough to realize that even
CT scans can miss tiny pockets of infection--in my case, I had chronic
sinusitis despite a negative CT scan.

Your ENT should take a culture of that mucus to find out just what bugs
are in it.  Do not irrigate before seeing him, because you'll flush the
mucus out and then he won't be able to culture anything.

It is entirely possible that the bugs have become resistant to the usual
antibiotics.

The idea of antibiotic irrigation is good, but Bactroban isn't all that
good.  Try asking your ENT for a gentamicin irrigation solution.  (Make
sure you don't swallow any of it!)

-- Steven L.
Dali - 27 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
I agree on your assesment of how ENT's read CT scans. Even if clear
the sinus tissue may still have an aenorbic infection. The only way to
culture is with a sinus puncture which they will never do. too
dangerous.

>Your ENT doesn't know what he's talking about.
>My ENT says that green (as opposed to just yellowish) mucus is an
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>It is entirely possible that the bugs have become resistant to the usual
>antibiotics.
Steven Litvintchouk - 27 Feb 2004 15:22 GMT
> after failing three antibiotics you should have your nasal cliia checked, as
> well as a CT scan.

what's the recipe for gentamicin irrigation with your Grossan irrigator?
 Gentamicin irrigation often works when oral antibiotics do not--but I
forgot what the recipe is.

-- Steven L.
Sue milham - 27 Feb 2004 18:40 GMT
I used the solution made and sold by Sinuspray.com a division of Sinucare.com.
Now checking their website, I can't find the genta irrigation.  They originally
(and still do) supply IV abx for chronic sinusitis.  I think the recipe was
20ml of solution (premixed in saline) to each nostril after regular irriagation
to remove residuals.  I have used the genta a couple times since and had a
local compounding pharmacy mix it up with my docs script.  We used the same
mixture which Sinuspray pharmacist helped supply to compounder.  If you feel
like doing a little research, they have alot of info there, but no search tool.
Dr Grossan was on their list of docs.

<< what's the recipe for gentamicin irrigation with your Grossan irrigator?
 Gentamicin irrigation often works when oral antibiotics do not--but I
forgot what the recipe is.

-- Steven L.
>><BR><BR>

Sue M.
ARoberts - 28 Feb 2004 00:53 GMT
> > after failing three antibiotics you should have your nasal cliia checked, as
> > well as a CT scan.
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>
> -- Steven L.

Many refer to this as "Wilson's Solution"
 
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