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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2004flue brought back sense smell?
When I had my nose polyps removed back in Sept, I lost the ability to smell. I could no longer smell anything. But that all changed a week ago when I got the flue. On Feb 13th I noticed I was getting a minor infection in the lungs that was aggravating my asthma. A doctor prescribed Doxycline 100MG (one capsule twice a day) to be taken with Apo Prednisone 50mg (one tablet daily). I started taking them but ended up getting worse anyway. And on Sunday the 15th I was in bed with the flue and slight fever. Feeling better on the 16th, I walked out to a restaurant and was surprised that I could smell something! I couldn't tell what it was I was smelling exactly because I was overwhelmed by so much scents, perfumes that people wore, cigarette smell and so on! It seemed every smell was being amplified a thousand times - it was almost too much to handle. I had to get off a bus and walk the rest of the way to get fresh air. I can't believe how much scents there are. What caused my sense of smell to come back? Was it the flue, fever or the medication? I have since finished the medication but I still smell. Tony t2k@vcn.bc.ca ttony_at@yahoo.com Tony wrote... > What caused my sense of smell to come back? Was it the flue, > fever or the medication? I have since finished the medication > but I still smell. I experienced the same thing recently when I was on Pred and antibiotics for a sinus infection (no surgeries). I don't know how long my sense of smell was diminished, months perhaps. When it first cleared I could smell someone cooking or the manager cleaning the hall carpets three floors down in my apartment building. At Starbucks sometimes I would have to leave when someone came in with heavy perfume, even from across the room. Things have settled down a bit but I still have a stronger sense of smell than I can ever recall. Regards, David Tony wrote... > What caused my sense of smell to come back? Was it the flue, > fever or the medication? I have since finished the medication > but I still smell. The prednisone often brings back sense of smell. Sometimes it stays and sometimes it goes away again. Try to minimize irritation from allergens and irritants, as well as avoiding infections.... This shows again that what you and others have was an infection in your sinus. The antibiotics were the cure. A possible canidate is mycoplasm because doxy is good against it. ENT's will not treat inflamation with antibiotics. alzeimers, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, MS are all infections that are not being treated today. The Dr's think it's the inflamation causing the problem. Ugh! Again top Dr's know this. It is not only my opinion. One was a pulitzer prize winning Dr. They laughed at him though. >When I had my nose polyps removed back in Sept, I lost the ability to >smell. I could no longer smell anything. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >t2k@vcn.bc.ca >ttony_at@yahoo.com I think I posted this once already but I'll do it again. 10-15 years ago my wife wrote a research paper for pharmacy school that concluded that antibiotics could cure stomach ulcers. She was lambasted by her professor for her "incorrect" conclusion but guess how stomach ulcers are cured today? > This shows again that what you and others have was an infection in > your sinus. The antibiotics were the cure. A possible canidate is [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>t2k@vcn.bc.ca >>ttony_at@yahoo.com You hit the nail on the head there. smart lady. I'd keep her if i were you :) >I think I posted this once already but I'll do it again. >10-15 years ago my wife wrote a research paper for >pharmacy school that concluded that antibiotics could >cure stomach ulcers. She was lambasted by her professor >for her "incorrect" conclusion but guess how stomach >ulcers are cured today? > When I had my nose polyps removed back in Sept, I lost the ability to > smell. I could no longer smell anything. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What caused my sense of smell to come back? I'll bet it was the Prednisone. It may have reduced the inflammation in your sinuses. If so, then this might be a good time to ask your doctor for a prescription corticosteroid nasal spray, and start using it a day or two before you run out of the Prednisone. Let's see if we can make your restored sense of smell permanent. -- Steven L. Lets do an experiment. If he quits the prednisone and still has smell we must conclude that antibiotics were the cure. right? >> When I had my nose polyps removed back in Sept, I lost the ability to >> smell. I could no longer smell anything. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >-- Steven L. >Lets do an experiment. If he quits the prednisone and still has smell >we must conclude that antibiotics were the cure. right? Not at all. He said he had already stopped all medications. Prednisone has much more powerful anti-inflammatory characteristics than antibiotics. You missed the point. The inflamation is caused by an infection. The antibiotics stop the inflamation because it eradicates the bacteria. There are many bacteria that cause this type of inflamation, not to mention mycoplasm and viruses too. >>Lets do an experiment. If he quits the prednisone and still has smell >>we must conclude that antibiotics were the cure. right? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Prednisone has much more powerful anti-inflammatory characteristics than >antibiotics. >You missed the point. The inflamation is caused by an infection. The >antibiotics stop the inflamation because it eradicates the bacteria. >There are many bacteria that cause this type of inflamation, not to >mention mycoplasm and viruses too. You're inventing you own science.... Sorry I know it goes against what you may have been taught but it's fact. The hardest thing to do is unlearn what one has been doing and learn something simple like ulcers are caused by bacteria Look up strep pyogene at the CDC and tell me im inventing my own science. Again A Pulitzer prize Dr. first stated this. I also am being treated by a Lyme pioneer Dr. William Harvey who agrees with this idea. exerpt from Dr. Mirkin (drmirkin.com) not inflamation in joint or sinus is same thing. REACTIVE ARTHRITIS Gabe Mirkin, M.D. I am absolutely amazed that more doctors do not treat at least some of their arthritis patient with antibiotics because there are hundreds of papers showing that hundreds of different infections cause arthritis. Doctors do not have laboratory tests to diagnose many of the germs that cause arthritis. Failure to treat arthritis early can cause permanent cartilaginous damage so that no treatment can be effective later. The most common cause of arthritis, particularly in people under 50, is reactive arthritis that often follows an infection. If you develop sudden unexplained pain in one or more joints, your doctor should check you for an infection. You should be asked if you have a urinary tract infection: burning on urination, discomfort when your bladder is full, a feeling that you have to urinate all the time, getting up in the middle of the night to urinate. Check for a stomach infection: belching and burning in stomach or chest. Check for a lung infection: chronic cough, shortness of breath, wheezing, burning in your nose or soreness in your throat. Check for intestinal infection: diarrhea, belly cramps or blood in stool. Also check for gum disease, chronic stuffy nose, chills or fever. The following can cause reactive arthritis: Salmonella intestinal infection (1), mononucleosis (2,21,25), parvovirus, chronic hepatitis B virus and hepatitis C) virus infections (3), Retroviruses (4,5). Venereal diseases, such as chlamydia, mycoplasma, ureaplasma, gonorrhea and Gardnerella cause arthritis (6,7,8), mycoplasma (9), Human T Cell Leukemia Virus-1 (10,33), chlamydia (11,15,16,17,18,24,34), urinary infections with chlamydia, ureaplasma and mycoplasma (12,26,27,39), many different intestinal infections (13,35,41,42,43,44,45,46), ureaplasma (14,27), Lyme disease (19,23), Salmonella diarrhea (20), parvovirus B19 (22,36), cytomegalovirus (25,26,32), streptococcal sore throat (28), cat scratch disease (29), human herpes virus-6 (30), hemophilus influenza bacteria (31), AIDS (HIV) (33), hepatitis B and C (36). staph aureus bacterial infections (37,38). Additional references are provided below. I treat my reactive arthritis patients with Minocycline 100 mg twice a day, but this must still be considered experimental; many doctors are not yet ready to accept antibiotics as a treatment for reactive arthritis. Many patients with rheumatoid arthritis do not feel better for the first few months after they start taking minocycline. If a patient does nor feel better after taking 100 mg of minocycline twice day for 2 months, I add Zithromax 500 mg twice a week. If the patient does not feel better after taking the two antibiotics for 6 months, I do add the immune suppressants that most rheumatologists prescribe. But as soon as they feel better, I stop the immune suppressants and continue the antibiotics. The treatment of reactive arthritis with antibiotics is controversial and not accepted by many doctors; discuss this with your doctor. >>You missed the point. The inflamation is caused by an infection. The >>antibiotics stop the inflamation because it eradicates the bacteria. >>There are many bacteria that cause this type of inflamation, not to >>mention mycoplasm and viruses too. > >You're inventing you own science.... > Sorry I know it goes against what you may have been taught but it's > fact. The hardest thing to do is unlearn what one has been doing and > learn something simple like ulcers are caused by bacteria. No, the hardest thing to do is wait until medical science has confirmed the finding using the scientific method. Many theories that look promising turn out to be duds. You can't go chasing after every promising theory to be a guinea pig for them all. > same thing. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > their arthritis patient with antibiotics because there are hundreds of > papers showing that hundreds of different infections cause arthritis. If Dr. Mirkin can publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal, then his theories will be worthy of discussion. -- Steven L. True but if I waited longer Id be dead. William Harvey is publishing in the journals. (Again he is a Lyme expert with over 500 patients because other Dr's dont think Lyme is in Texas).The facts are in and trials have already been done. The CDC is even getting on Dr's for not treating these infections. The patients are given steroids until something like TB comes along because the immune system is not working. Dead people are in the morgue with these bacteria(thats were all the answers are) drmirkin only show articles that have been puplished. this is not quakery! I am an example of Lyme and strep a. STSS strep toxic shock syndrome is in the CDC. I've experienced it and KNOW it's real. STSS is what happens when it fights back against antibiotics. Kinda like MRSA. You do believe in MRSA right? meth resistant staph. >> Sorry I know it goes against what you may have been taught but it's >> fact. The hardest thing to do is unlearn what one has been doing and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >-- Steven L. Some infection are now being treated by the internet. Dr Harvey is working with other top Lyme specialist by the internet. It is a much quicker way to operate. After bouncing of ideas they then publish. Look how efficient this group is. >If Dr. Mirkin can publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal, then >his theories will be worthy of discussion. I say this bacause the Dr's I have been involved with will not even read articles published by the CDC. Because, I'm guessing, it doesn't fall into the way they have always done things. It's a big problem in my experince. >No, the hardest thing to do is wait until medical science has confirmed >the finding using the scientific method. I am sorry. I should have put this at the end but I thought it might be to long. You are right in being skeptical. It's his sources. 1) F Kanakouditsakalidou, G Pardalos, P Pratsidougertsi, A Kansouzidoukanakoudi, H Tsangaropouloustinga. Persistent or severe course of reactive arthritis following Salmonella enteritidis infection - A Prospective study of 9 cases. Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology 27: 6 (1998):431-434. 2) T Schifter, UH Lewinski. 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To receive Dr. Mirkin's free health & fitness E-Zine each week, send a blank email to subscribe@drmirkin.com >If Dr. Mirkin can publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal, then >his theories will be worthy of discussion. > >Lets do an experiment. If he quits the prednisone and still has smell > >we must conclude that antibiotics were the cure. right? > > Not at all. He said he had already stopped all medications. That's right I stopped it over a week ago and I can still smell. It's unbelievable how much there is to smell I was missing! I've had to take more showers, buy underarm deoderents and change socks ect. It's scary to think that no one bothered to tell me! The weird part is I can only smell about 4 hours after getting out of bed. So if I get up at 8am I start to smell at around 12 noon until I go to bed around 11pm. Tony t2k@vcn.bc.ca > Prednisone has much more powerful anti-inflammatory characteristics than > antibiotics. I stopped it over a week ago and I can still smell. It's unbelievable how much there is to smell I was missing! I've had to take more showers, buy underarm deoderents and change socks ect. It's scary to think that no one bothered to tell me! The weird part is I can only smell about 4 hours after getting out of bed. So if I get up at 8am I start to smell at around 12 noon. Tony t2k@vcn.bc.ca > Lets do an experiment. If he quits the prednisone and still has smell > we must conclude that antibiotics were the cure. right? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > >-- Steven L. Yes I've been using Nasonex (Mometasone Furoate) Since after the surgery in September. But this is the first time I've smelled anything. Tony > > When I had my nose polyps removed back in Sept, I lost the ability to > > smell. I could no longer smell anything. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -- Steven L. I assume that is a new steroidal drug to stop inflamation? This points again to a bacterial bug that you accidentally cured. It was the same with me. I took antibiotics and found my symptoms improved. Then I read CDC and trails which all pointed to something called reactive infections or if it's in your joints reactive arthritis. >Yes I've been using Nasonex (Mometasone Furoate) Since after the >surgery in September. But this is the first time I've smelled >anything. > >Tony |
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