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pepcid ac/vitamin c/ tannin question

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sandra - 28 May 2008 20:32 GMT
I am new and trying to follow the info on biofilms.  What exactly does
holding the vitamin c/pepcid do?  If it doesn't seem to accomplish
anything, am I doing something wrong?
Are people actually irrigating with pecans?  Does it work and how
would you make the nasal wash????
truehawk - 29 May 2008 01:27 GMT
> I am new and trying to follow the info on biofilms.  What exactly does
> holding the vitamin c/pepcid do?  If it doesn't seem to accomplish
> anything, am I doing something wrong?
> Are people actually irrigating with pecans?  Does it work and how
> would you make the nasal wash????

Instructions for boiling up pecan tea for irrigation is in the
archives.
The bugs are always looking for iron, but they are attracted to any
electron doner.
To be effective you need to hold the C w antiacid in your mouth
without swallowing so that the fluid can diffuse.

Most sinus infections start at the adenoids up where your esophagus
meets your sinuses. In fact if you envision a bunch thing that size of
wads of gum stuck up there getting thicker until they block the
outflow from your sinuses, you won't be too far off. That is one
reason that it is more effective to clear an airpath by sniffing in
than by blowing. This also means that you can treat them with what you
hold in your mouth.

The real unified field is that the your breathing appratus and your
food intake share a common path and whatever is in your mouth can
diffuse into your sinuses where it is needed if you hold it there. If
you hold it long enough you will feel tugging and the slime will begin
to creep toward the antiacid and you can spit it out.  It is an
electronegative/electropositive thing.
Biofilms are very difficult to attack using systemic antibiotics
because the base bacteria are mostly the hyper resistant bacilli and
cocci that build a structure of amyloid and fibrin that holds
everything in place. After that some of them go into hibernation in
rotation so that some are always immune to antibiotics that interfere
with protein synthesis and the like.. These are called persister
cells. These bacteria in stasis can only be killed or inconvenienced
by something that diffuses into them, or something that dissolves the
fibrin and pulls them off. And that takes time. And  the film keeps
reforming because cocci like e-coli can get inside the first layer of
cells and escape antibiotics there too, so one has to keep
inconveniencing, the buggers gaining ground a bit at a time.
Susan - 29 May 2008 02:35 GMT
>>I am new and trying to follow the info on biofilms.  What exactly does
>>holding the vitamin c/pepcid do?  If it doesn't seem to accomplish
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> To be effective you need to hold the C w antiacid in your mouth
> without swallowing so that the fluid can diffuse.

Okay, but waitaminute.  Do you mean an antacid, or do you mean Pepcid,
which is a histamine blocker?  Two different things.

Susan
truehawk - 29 May 2008 06:07 GMT
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> Susan

Bismuth tablets, with sylicates  (pepto bismol) and Pepcid Complete,
which combines the Pepcid with calcium and magnesium hydroxide both
work well pretty well.
The bugs are electronegative and produce histamine as part of their
feeding stradgey.
Susan - 29 May 2008 14:11 GMT
> Bismuth tablets, with sylicates  (pepto bismol) and Pepcid Complete,
> which combines the Pepcid with calcium and magnesium hydroxide both
> work well pretty well.
> The bugs are electronegative and produce histamine as part of their
> feeding stradgey.

I see, thanks.

Susan
Nexus7 - 30 May 2008 14:56 GMT
> Are people actually irrigating with pecans?  Does it work and how
> would you make the nasal wash????

I use the broken shells from two pecans and put them into boiling or
near-boiling water for a few minutes... I go by color, once the water
is a light tea color, I turn the heat off. After cooling, I strain it
into water (usually distilled) for a total of 16 fl oz. If I haven't
run out, I use Breathe-ease, otherwise non-iodized salt with a pinch
of baking soda (1 tsp salt to 16 fl oz water). I add small amounts of
ACV or turmeric or whatever I might have just read about just to keep
things lively. And I top it off with a dash or Alkalol (I figure a
mucous solvent is appropriate to get out the loosened gunk). That's
what I do.. I'm not sure there's a consensus out there, apart from the
salt concentration.
 
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