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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / June 2008

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trying to determine if acid/reflux or CRS

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kmf027@yahoo.com - 13 May 2008 14:08 GMT
Thanks to all of you for doing this.
Had rotator cuff surgery in Nov 2007, got sick with cold symptoms in
Dec and have been sick since. Symptoms come and go, but generally off
and on phglem in back of throat sometimes lots of it, nasal air
passage irritation, occasioanl very runny nose, at times feeling like
I am breathing in dust, a general ill feeling with malaise and
fatigue, and constant stomach upset. My memory of several months ago
was the upset stomach came after the upper respiratory symptoms. Two
western med doctors prescribed Flonase (6 days no effect) and priolsec
( 8 days minimal effect), and clarithomycin ( 7days no effect). I
believe if I do not see some beginnings of improvement after several
days I discontinue.The Eastern med doctor, I had extensive blood tests
for allergy food reactions but nothing significant, except showing my
immune system is under stress. I stopped all wheat/gluten dairy for 10
days with no effect. I do not have runny nose, sinus pain, watery
eyes. Never had an allergy. I took pepto bismol for a few days to
neutralize my stomach, theorizing that 'gas' was coming from my
stomach and effecting nasal airways and causing the condition, but the
nasal conditions remain. Did I give this enough time? The western med
doctor wants to do CAT scan/barrium drink and endoscopy to check my
sphincter valve. I am 54 male in good shape. It is the malaise/fatigue
that is so debilitating. Thanks for any thoughts.

Kevin
Steven L. - 13 May 2008 22:24 GMT
> Thanks to all of you for doing this.
> Had rotator cuff surgery in Nov 2007, got sick with cold symptoms in
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> western med doctors prescribed Flonase (6 days no effect) and priolsec
> ( 8 days minimal effect), and clarithomycin ( 7days no effect).

Try two other antibiotics before giving up:  Ceftin or Suprax (a
cephalosoporin); and if that fails, Avelox or Levaquin (a fluoroquinolone).

If all those antibiotics fail, then go see an ENT specialist to have
your sinuses examined.  If he suspects allergy (which doesn't sound
likely from your history), he'll refer you to an allergist.

While reflux has been implicated in sinusitis, it appears to be due to
not the acid but the physical regurgitation.  Hence anti-acid therapy
(Pepto Bismol, Prilosec, etc.) will have no effect.  The only way to
cure the physical regurgitation is surgery--a Nissen fundoplication
procedure.  But I wouldn't go that way until you've done the other
things I suggested first.

Good luck.

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truehawk - 15 May 2008 00:43 GMT
> kmf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Thanks to all of you for doing this.
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See what you can do with pepcid complete and chewable Vitiaman C.
Hold same and let them melt in your mouth for an hour or so.
C lessens attachment and the bugs are highly electronegative. If you
have an infection it is likely that you will feel pulling from the
location of attachment.
truehawk - 15 May 2008 17:33 GMT
On May 13, 9:08 am, kmf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Thanks to all of you for doing this.
> Had rotator cuff surgery in Nov 2007, got sick with cold symptoms in
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> Kevin

Also try the pecan membrane.
Non toxic, low cost, hold it in you mouth with a chewable C for an
hour and report back.
august - 16 May 2008 03:03 GMT
> Thanks to all of you for doing this.
> Had rotator cuff surgery in Nov 2007, got sick with cold symptoms in
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>
> Kevin

I do not know what your problem might be but I do know that six days of
trying Flonase is not long enough to be called an adequate trial period. You
need to use Flonase for a minimum of two weeks, preferably when your nose is
not full of gunk, before you know whether or not Flonase will be a helpful
tool against whatever is bothering your nose/sinuses.
I had an endoscopy in my ENT's office that went through my nose down far
enough to show inflammation caused by gastric reflux.
You might want to get the CT scan of your sinuses. This is done very easily
and might yield helpful info.
good luck,    AW
Steven L. - 16 May 2008 05:06 GMT
>> Thanks to all of you for doing this.
>> Had rotator cuff surgery in Nov 2007, got sick with cold symptoms in
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> I had an endoscopy in my ENT's office that went through my nose down far
> enough to show inflammation caused by gastric reflux.

The OP reported that he became chronically sick immediately after a
cold.  That doesn't sound like a reflux problem.  It sounds like it
either triggered a chronic secondary infection or an autoimmune disorder.

Reflux is one of these all-purpose default diagnoses the doctors trot
out when they can't figure out what specifically is wrong with you.

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kmf027@yahoo.com - 04 Jun 2008 03:51 GMT
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After a series of tests I have been told that I have maxillary
sinusitis. I am waiting to hear if it is chronic or acute. A cat scan
revealed this. I have read that this can be caused by an abcess tooth?
Does anyone have any familirarity with this and any info on what
therapy might deal with it? Best to All

Kevin
truehawk - 04 Jun 2008 05:05 GMT
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> Kevin

Chronic sinusitis is most commonly the result of a multi-species
microbal community that moves into the lining of the sinuses after the
goblet cells and cilia have been paralyzed or killed by a virus.
This community, once it is formed is 100 to 1000 times as resistant to
antibiotics as the individual bacterial and fungal species within
it.
Go to pubmed.gov and type "biofilm, biofilm sinusitis, and biofilm
antibiotic" into the search window and .
There is no really effective curative therapy in the long term. That
is why we are chronic sinusisit suffers not ex
There are combinations of antibiotics, biofilm breakers and
antifungals that hold it at bay.

Since it attaches to the sinuses with fibrin in the case of staph, or
amyloid fibrils in the case of e-coli and other related bacteria,
agents that break up this type of protein film allow the mat to become
sensitive to antibiotics again.
Macrolide antibiotics such as Biaxin directly down-regulate the genes
for biofilm production in some, but not all species, in sub-
inhibitory  doses. There are usually multiple strains of each bacteria
present, with those cultivars  within as species that form biofilms
tending to have a competitive advantage. Down-regulating biofilm
production may give the more benign bacteria a chance to compete with
the goo formers.
No one to my knowledge has ever cured sinusitis with amoxicillian by
itself after the infection is established. This antibiotic is only
effective against rapidly dividing platonic bacteria. If prescribed
early in the course of a viral infection it can prevent biofilm
invasion, but it can not kill it once the film is organized, which
take a week or so.
The most effective therapies are combinations of antibiotics, such as
those used to treat TB along with sporanox an anti-fungal, and
prilosec another azole, to manage the gastritis

Using this type of therapy we have been able to reclaim most of the
space so that I can eat and sleep and what is left in my sinuses if
confined to one spot, but if I do not treat it for a couple of days it
comes back with a vengeance.

This therapy is rarely employed because:
1. most ENTS are unaware of the presence of biofilms in the sinuses,
or if they are aware, they also know that everyone has some level of
the same species and no stageing protcol has been developed that
quantifys sinusitis on the bases of area involved, the characteristics
of the mucin and the quanity of toxins/degestive enzymes present in
the mucin.
It is not qualitative bio and chemistry, it is quanative that is
called for.
2. The insurance companies will only very grudgingly pay for
antifungals.

A lot of sinusitis involves HI and HPV and variants of herpes.
Vaccines are available for those, but there are side effects.
Of course there are IMO side effects of CS, like the brown out due to
amyloid intoxication, that can steal your quality of life.

Read up and decide what is right for you.

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