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Fatigue/Couldn't Get Out of Bed

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dualdogs - 02 May 2008 15:27 GMT
Hello, I am new to this group.  I am a 40 year old female that has a
long history of allergy/sinus problems.  I have had 6 (yes 6) sinus
surgeries since 1997.  I don't really recommend them.  Once you have
one that is it......
This is the first year in about 15 years that I have not had a sinus
infection (YEA ME!).  I have been going through some other problems
and made sure I kept on top of keeping my sinuses clear with a sinus
rinse (highly recommended).  I also started taking Omega 3.
A new problem has emerged that has me really freaked out!  Last week,
on Tuesday, my alarm went off to get up for work and I could barley
raise myself to turn it off I was so tired.  I couldn't even contact
my work place to let them know that I would not be coming in until I
woke later that morning (@10:30 a.m.), and then I slept most of the
day.  I was tired the next day but not fatigued like the day before.
Then this Wednesday the same thing happened again, but I did not wake
until 11:30 a.m. and slept most of the afternoon.  (Thankfully work
understands).  Unfortunately I am a contract worker and DO NOT get
paid if I don't work.
I went to my allergist yesterday and he really had not ever heard of
fatigue this bad, he did mention that a lot of people this year were
complaining of fatigue, and I did read that the pollen counts are
worse this spring due to the drought we had last year.
I take Zytrec for my allergies (my insurance doesn’t cover much), and
he gave me a prescription of Singular to take on top of that - with
hopes it would help.  I have a hard time with the nasal sprays because
as soon as I spray them I sneeze them out..
Has anyone heard or encountered this?  What did you do?  HELP!  (I
realize this is only going to last until the pollen count goes down,
but I can't be missing work like this).  Thanks, G
Nexus7 - 02 May 2008 15:54 GMT
> and made sure I kept on top of keeping my sinuses clear with a sinus
> rinse (highly recommended).  I also started taking Omega 3.

How exactly do you rinse... what equipment, procedure, etc?
Fred - 02 May 2008 18:47 GMT
> Hello, I am new to this group.  I am a 40 year old female that has a
> long history of allergy/sinus problems.  I have had 6 (yes 6) sinus
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> realize this is only going to last until the pollen count goes down,
> but I can't be missing work like this).  Thanks, G

Maybe try a combination of Nasarel spray and Ipratropium Bromide
spray.  They are not very harsh.  The Nasarel or any other steroid
spray will prevent any inflammation.  If you sneeze them out, try
spraying several times even after a sneeze.  The Ipratropium Bromide
is a drug used for COPD.  It is a drying agent.  One last spray that I
use is Afrin.  There is an addiction factor with this drug so be
careful.  I use Afrin before I spray any of the other drugs into my
nose.  Afrin will open your nose so that you can get the other meds
into the area where they will do the most good.  Maybe if you can get
the membranes to dry out and drain the mucus, you will be able to rid
yourself of the fatigue.  Another question I will ask is if you
condition is fatigue or drowsiness.  I used to confuse the two.  I
have drowsiness.  At one time in my life, a doctor tried to control my
"fatigue" with Ritalin.  Once I was able to control the drowsiness,
much of my sinus problems became controllable.  Notice I did not say
that they went away.  I can just conrtol the symptoms to the point
where I feel a lot better.
Steven L. - 03 May 2008 05:25 GMT
> Last week,
> on Tuesday, my alarm went off to get up for work and I could barley
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> paid if I don't work.
> Has anyone heard or encountered this?  What did you do?  HELP!

Go to sleep earlier the night before.
I sleep 9 hours every night.  To get up at 8 AM, I have to be in bed by
10 PM the night before.

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dualdogs - 03 May 2008 14:24 GMT
Thank you all for your responses:

I will look into the Ipratropium Bromide spray.  I do not have any
mucus in my nose all my passages are clear all I have is a small runny
nose sometimes.  I do not have fatigue that has been rulled out.  I
did try Adderall for ADHD for a while to give me energy but had bad
results with that.
I usually go to bed around 10:00 p.m. every night and had no warning
the night before that I was going to become this fatigued the next
morning.  It really just happened overnight - no signs or symptoms
before hand except for the sinus headache but I had had that for about
a week beforehand - it was just 10 times worse the day before.  But I
have had those before that bad without the fatigue - I will keep an
eye on that (thanks :) ).
For the sinus rinse I have used all different types.  I started out
years ago with the baby irrigator with a salt/baking soda mix and warm
water, then moved on to a water pik and gradually had to move the
intensity of the stream of water all the way up.  After my last
surgery I was fine for a while and was able to stop, when things
started back up again last season my ENT specialist gave me the
NeilMed Sinus Rinse and that is what I have been using since.  At this
time I am not getting any discharge out of my nose and use it mostly
after I have cut the grass to keep the pollen out of my nose.
It is really a mystery to me, and I haven't been able to find anything
on the web about it.  I will keep looking.  Again thank you.  Gail
judy.n - 03 May 2008 17:53 GMT
> Thank you all for your responses:
>
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> It is really a mystery to me, and I haven't been able to find anything
> on the web about it.  I will keep looking.  Again thank you.  Gail

Most "sinus headaches" are migraine--and the post migraine state
includes extreme fatigue.
Just a thought.
Judy
truehawk - 03 May 2008 18:47 GMT
> Thank you all for your responses:
>
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> It is really a mystery to me, and I haven't been able to find anything
> on the web about it.  I will keep looking.  Again thank you.  Gail

Pain is a sign of attack.
Your body puts you to sleep when it needs energy to make antibodies.
Is you temperature slightly elevated? 99 or so?
The infection does not block you nasal passages until the mat gets
thick enough to block you nasal passages.
Make a cup of VERY strong tea. Add 1/4 teaspoon salt and 4 bags of
splenda. ( yes ALL I know it is not xyitol but it works and is more
gentle in my opinion.) and use that and see what comes out. You will
feel a very strong feeling of pulling as the goo detaches. Also try
using s Pepcid complete as you would a throat lozenge.
No quick fix. If you are not allergic take some Advil, as it
interferes with goo formation (fibrin ogalimerization.)
Susan - 03 May 2008 23:01 GMT
> Pain is a sign of attack.
> Your body puts you to sleep when it needs energy to make antibodies.
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> No quick fix. If you are not allergic take some Advil, as it
> interferes with goo formation (fibrin ogalimerization.)

Elizabeth, how does squirting maltodextrin up your nose work as well as
xylitol to prevent bacterial adhesion?  Maltodextrin is basically what's
the entire bulk of a Splenda packet.  I've seen scientific evidence for
xylitol, none for maltodextrin.

Susan
truehawk - 04 May 2008 00:18 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan

having used 500g of mannose and 1000g of xylitol various concoctions
in the last 8 years, I am aware if their good points and also that
they have a chalky uncomfortable feel to them and kind of wanted to
make me hurt.
In my experience, (and I am now enough ahead of it to sleep without
closeing up and to be able to smell things like fabric softener),
Splenda works just as well, is cheaper and is much more readily
available. Before that I also used Stevia, a plant extract, and it had
about the same effect. The bugs seem to discriminate sweet about the
same as we do. I havn't used saccharine even though it might work
better because of the sulfur in it, because saccharine always sort or
makes me sick.
Susan - 04 May 2008 01:13 GMT
> having used 500g of mannose and 1000g of xylitol various concoctions
> in the last 8 years, I am aware if their good points and also that
> they have a chalky uncomfortable feel to them and kind of wanted to
> make me hurt.

I got the uncomfortable chalkiness from xylitol only when I used a
ginormous concentration. Is that what's required?

> In my experience, (and I am now enough ahead of it to sleep without
> closeing up and to be able to smell things like fabric softener),
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> better because of the sulfur in it, because saccharine always sort or
> makes me sick.

So here's my question; is it the Splenda/sucralose (which is available
in liquid, maltodextrin free form) or the corn stuff doing the job?

What exactly is the theory about sweeteners other than xylitol, I mean
how do they produce the effect you describe?

Susan
truehawk - 04 May 2008 03:23 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan

Susan:
I can only speculate.
Bacteria are "supposed to" attach to certain sites on the cell wall
where sugars are expressed.
The theory behind xyitol and mannose is that the bacteria become
confused.
Since the stivia also works, and licorice works, I think that anything
that tastes sweet to us will apparently bait the bacteria  away from
their attachment to some degree.
truehawk - 04 May 2008 03:35 GMT
> > x-no-archive: yes
>
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> that tastes sweet to us will apparently bait the bacteria  away from
> their attachment to some degree.

Susan:
Also remember that in general I do not irrigate, except just
occasionally.
I do most of my treating by what I hold in my mouth.
I just never got the hang of doing it right.
I moved the infection from one side to the other by irrigating and
blew out an eardrum when I sneezed.
Then I drained pus from it for a while. So I hold, sniff, spit and
blow. And swab out my nose.
Susan - 04 May 2008 04:55 GMT
> Susan:
> Also remember that in general I do not irrigate, except just
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> Then I drained pus from it for a while. So I hold, sniff, spit and
> blow. And swab out my nose.

I see, I didn't know you didn't irrigate. I've got to be very careful
with pressure, too, very easy to force stuff into the tubes.

Thanks for the explanations.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 04 May 2008 19:07 GMT
On 5/3/08 5:13 PM, in article 684dc7F2r89pdU1@mid.individual.net, "Susan"
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
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>
> Susan

One of the theories is that bugs need glucose or "regular" sugar. If you use
a product like Splenda they can't digest that. I vaguely recall that for
some bugs, Xylitol fills them up and they can't digest it.
Bob Roberts - 05 May 2008 11:48 GMT
That awful fatigue is most likely caused by the drugs. Zyrtec causes
fatigue and so does Singualr. Take them together and the fun begins..
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>Hello, I am new to this group.  I am a 40 year old female that has a
>long history of allergy/sinus problems.  I have had 6 (yes 6) sinus
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>realize this is only going to last until the pollen count goes down,
>but I can't be missing work like this).  Thanks, G
dolysods@yahoo.com - 05 May 2008 12:55 GMT
> That awful fatigue is most likely caused by the drugs. Zyrtec causes
> fatigue and so does Singualr. Take them together and the fun begins..
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> >realize this is only going to last until the pollen count goes down,
> >but I can't be missing work like this).  Thanks, G

I had horrible fatigue this weekend. I'm pretty sure i have pressure
built up in my neck too.  I had a mild to moderate headache all
weekend.  One thing that upset me on friday (called off work) is that
they apparently are no longer making entex pse 120mg/600mg. It just
really started working for me.  I was able to get it on my insurance
for $10.  Now the only thing that still has 120mg of pseudophedrine
is the pseudovent.. with 400mg guafenisin.  I'm sure i can adjust but
it was $35 on my ins!!!

I take zyrtec at night.  I've also started taking a supplement called
deep sleep by herbs etc., and 5htp.  That has helped my fatigue for
the most part.  If the fatigue lasts very long, i would suspect a
sinus infection coming on. I had the fatigue for MONTHS, some times
i'd blame it on my cycle.  When the sinus infection finally reared its
head enough for a doc to treat, i was much less fatigued.

good luck!
 
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