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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / May 2008Pecan tannins: working or irritating?
Well, I tried the pecans. I used the center membrane/bark, and the shells, from 4 pecans, and made a tea of that. It smelled like pecans. I used that to irrigate (pulsatile); by filtering that tea into an isotonic salt/water solution, for a total of 16 fl oz. Added some Alkalol to that, bringing the total to about 20 oz. Once in, the pecan solution leaves the same smell as a strong black tea solution does. The big difference was that my nasal cavity/sinuses felt very full in a matter of minutes after irrigation. It took 2 hours before I was able to breathe with the same ease as before irrigation. A lot of (mostly clear, but thick) "stuff" came out in the meantime. Then I went to bed. I woke up in an hour - unable to breathe through the nose. Went back to sleep after a bout of somewhat violent nose blowing; stuff coming out was thicker that before, showing some color now. Same story sometime later, and in the morning. Was able to breathe through the nose with some resistance by the time I left for work. So from this gross description, I've got some questions... is the stuff that came/is coming out from the past, that got separated and mobile from the tannins or other aspects of last night's exercise? Or it is new stuff generated because the membranes of the nasal cavity got irritated by the tannins? The Alkalol and isotonic salt solution in water are have gotten out some stuff after irrigation in the past, but not for hours later. I find also that right after irrigation, things feel tight up there for maybe a half hour, then breathing becomes much easier. This tightening was very pronounced last night, however it didn't ease too much. Appreciate any thoughts. > So from this gross description, I've got some questions... is the > stuff that came/is coming out from the past, that got separated and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > becomes much easier. This tightening was very pronounced last night, > however it didn't ease too much. Appreciate any thoughts. It's hard to say, and Elizabeth will probably be more informative about this, but I have a couple of thoughts. One, I are you using distilled or filtered water, or chlorinated? If chlorinated, try using some that isn't, it can cause tissue/skin inflammation and swelling in some folks. Two, could you possibly have a nut allergy or sensitivity? Three, maybe it's working and time and experimentation will tell. Susan > > So from this gross description, I've got some questions... >... > One, I are you using distilled or filtered water, or chlorinated? If > chlorinated, try using some that isn't, it can cause tissue/skin > inflammation and swelling in some folks. I'm using tap water, however I've irrigated before, I try to do it once a week at least. This instance however, as I described, was more dramatic than the other times. I think the water is causing some inflammation every time I irrigate, but it doesn't by itself explain last night. > Two, could you possibly have a nut allergy or sensitivity? Not when I eat them, so I assume the nasal tissues wouldn't be allergic either? > Three, maybe it's working and time and experimentation will tell. Hmm... maybe I should do it again tonight, but with fewer pecans. >>>So from this gross description, I've got some questions... >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Hmm... maybe I should do it again tonight, but with fewer pecans. Maybe you should also use distilled water, or tap water boiled, then set out uncovered to cool, so the chlorine can escape? Tap water always has pathogens in it to some degree; shooting them directly into already infected tissue just makes no sense. Susan > Maybe you should also use distilled water, or tap water boiled, then set > out uncovered to cool, so the chlorine can escape? The day after I posted originally, I used distilled water, Breathese instead of (non-iodized) salt, and only 1 pecan. The results were less dramatic, and much less discomfort. Not as much stuff coming out, but an unclogged nose while sleeping was a relief. After leaving well alone for a day, I used 2 pecans last night. More output, still no clogging at night. I might stick with this "dosage" every other day, till I get another CAT. The back story, which I haven't mentioned, is that I've always had difficulty breathing, most likely due to a more sedentary lifestyle since I started working. I also tend to hold my breath a lot, whether this came first, or the poor nasal ventilation, is an open question. I've been irrigating off and on for about a year, and recently, a CAT scan for some dental work revealed some mucosal thickening on both sides and a polyp in the left maxillary sinus. Hence the elevated interest in additives. I don't want to see an ENT until I have a better idea about what works and what can be done proactively. > Well, I tried the pecans. I used the center membrane/bark, and the > shells, from 4 pecans, and made a tea of that. It smelled like pecans. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > becomes much easier. This tightening was very pronounced last night, > however it didn't ease too much. Appreciate any thoughts. The pulling that you feel is the tannin actually causing the goo to give up some of the water that it is holding and shrink. Try using the pecans with just 1/4 teaspoon of salt, 1/4 tsp of lemon juice, 4 packets of splenda, the pecans, and nothing else. If your sinuses are still swelling shut, have just hold the pecan centers in you mouth and spit out the goo that detaches and drops into your mouth for a couple of weeks until you have peeled away some of hte goo and have more room in you sinuses. Over the years the sinuses become covered on the internal surfaces with unbelievable quantities of bacterial goo. and then when detaching it with anything effective, one gets the the ice dam effect. When treating it with a nasal wash, one has to be careful not to make it too strong, other wise everything tries to come out at once to the point that nothing gets out. And where is the fun in that? That clear thick bouncy goo is fibrin, the component of plasma that allows blood to clot and it is a byproduct of infection. When you sinuses are irritated by an irritant such as onion juice, they produce a fluid much like the tears . Fibrin mucus can maintain it's structure with 2% protein, but most of it contains 8% or less. Meaning that it can absorb water and swell up to 4 times the volume before it breaks down on the way to getting rid of it. One can get rid of it faster than it forms until breathing is pretty much clear, but it takes a while. > Try using the pecans with just 1/4 teaspoon of salt, 1/4 tsp of lemon > juice, 4 packets of splenda, the pecans, and nothing else. I've used Breathease the last two times with the pecans, which has xylitol. I think the Splenda serves the same function? I'll try the lemon tomorrow. > sinuses are still swelling shut, have just hold the pecan centers in > you mouth and spit out the goo that detaches and drops into your mouth > for a couple of weeks until you have peeled away some of hte goo and > have more room in you sinuses. This didn't do much when I tried it.. how long do I hold it, and how far back - as far back as the tongue reaches? > treating it with a nasal wash, one has to be careful not to make it > too strong, other wise everything tries to come out at once to the > point that nothing gets out. And where is the fun in that? It certainly seemed liek that's what happened. Ice dam indeed. Two pecans seems like a good dosage for me. > That clear thick bouncy goo is fibrin, the component of plasma that > allows blood to clot and it is a byproduct of infection. When you > sinuses are irritated by an irritant such as onion juice, they produce > a fluid much like the tears . So it is the bad stuff then; and I'll keep at it. Great idea about the pecans, BTW! |
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