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Oops, links don't work.
I'll find new ones and repost.
In any case, you'd want to be VERY careful about long term use of these
drugs.
Susan
errfrsdaf - 28 Feb 2008 23:58 GMT
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>> Zithromax
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Perhaps you can explain this to us idiots?

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Can't get to the pages, but I would assume that the need for clearance
inferred would presuppose the use
of same steroids, or conversely would imply the conservation of
endogenous steroid hormones.
Susan - 29 Feb 2008 01:13 GMT
> Can't get to the pages, but I would assume that the need for clearance
> inferred would presuppose the use
> of same steroids, or conversely would imply the conservation of
> endogenous steroid hormones.
Definitely inhibits clearance of steroid drugs. I'm curious but not yet
sure about endogenous, which would be of great concern, given how
damaging elevated levels of cortisol are.
Susan
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> significant decrease in corticosteroid clearance."
Evidently, this has been known for a long time, Susan.
See, for example:
http://www.erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/reprint/10/5/971.pdf
Macrolides are potent inhibitors of cytochrome P450 3A4-7 enzymes, which
the liver needs in order to metabolize many so-called "substrate" drugs.
Before this was fully understood, several patients experienced fatal
heart problems from taking macrolides together with minimally sedating
antihistamines.
Other serious interactions occur with various psychotherapeutic drugs.
I ran into that problem about 15 years ago. (Good thing I had a
psychopharmacologist who understood this metabolic issue; NEVER take
psychotherapeutic drugs prescribed to you by a general practitioner.)
I'll bet the reduced steroid clearance of which you speak, is just
another example of those pesky cytochrome P450 interactions. *Every*
patient should be familiar with this P450 interaction chart and how to
interpret it. Print it out and keep it in your wallet or purse!
http://medicine.iupui.edu/flockhart/table.htm
It's basically a spreadsheet of how your liver works. :-)

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Oakfed - 29 Feb 2008 03:41 GMT
>Macrolides are potent inhibitors of cytochrome P450 3A4-7 enzymes, which
>the liver needs in order to metabolize many so-called "substrate" drugs.
Quinolones (Levaquin, Cipro, Avelox, and friends) are P450 inhibitors,
too, though for different pathways (that's why they tell you not to
drink caffeinated stuff while you're on them; they also interfere with
some blood thinners). And if you suffer an adverse reaction to a
quinolone, your liver function can be screwed up for quite some time.
Steven L. - 29 Feb 2008 15:21 GMT
>> Macrolides are potent inhibitors of cytochrome P450 3A4-7 enzymes, which
>> the liver needs in order to metabolize many so-called "substrate" drugs.
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> some blood thinners). And if you suffer an adverse reaction to a
> quinolone, your liver function can be screwed up for quite some time.
What I always got a kick out of was that even some *foods*, like
grapefruit juice, have bizarre P450 interactions too. A number of
patients on MAOI antidepressants got caught that way, when they learned
the hard way of a P450 interaction between grapefruit juice and MAOIs.
The interaction table I posted, has an entry for grapefruit juice.

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Susan - 29 Feb 2008 16:20 GMT
> The interaction table I posted, has an entry for grapefruit juice.
Yes, I've seen that listed on all of my references, too. But we haven't
had discussions about grapefruit juice as a tx for sinusitis here.
Susan
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>> The interaction table I posted, has an entry for grapefruit juice.
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> Yes, I've seen that listed on all of my references, too. But we haven't
> had discussions about grapefruit juice as a tx for sinusitis here.
Who the hell knows what sinusitis sufferers eat. :-)
I'm sure with all this talk about Vitamin C, some of them have tried
grapefruit juice, or eating grapefruits--if only to break up the
monotony of orange juice. My mom used to feed me lots of grapefruit
when I was a kid.
Grapefruit juice is rich in Vitamin C, which sinus sufferers might find
attractive. The trouble is, it's also a potent cytochrome P450
inhibitor--which most patients don't have a clue about.

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Susan - 01 Mar 2008 01:57 GMT
> Grapefruit juice is rich in Vitamin C, which sinus sufferers might find
> attractive. The trouble is, it's also a potent cytochrome P450
> inhibitor--which most patients don't have a clue about.
We used to be so fortunate to have a Cushing's patient who was also a
pharmacist posting on that group, and she did great research, too.
It's almost impossible to find a drug or herb that doesn't alter HPA
function and cortisol levels.
I've even been flattened by adrenal suppression caused by moisturizers
with lactic acid or salicylic acid in them.
Susan
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Usually, it doesn't matter--we can't taste anything anyway...
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I was well aware of all the above Steven, as I've been reading about
drugs that interfere with pituitary/adrenal hormone testing for a long time.
But I doubt anyone else here was aware of it, so I posted it here.
FYI, Cushing's patients virtually all suffer periodic acute and/or
chronic sinus infection, no doubt due to the immune suppression caused
by excess cortisol and/or increased pro inflammatory CRH.
IMO, one would want to avoid creating an environment mimicking this
pit/adrenal disorder.
Susan