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marlacomm@hotmail.com - 04 Feb 2008 01:14 GMT
Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
that causes the stomach upsets associated with chronic sinusitis?

marla
errfrsdaf - 04 Feb 2008 03:47 GMT
> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
> that causes the stomach upsets associated with chronic sinusitis?
>
> marla

Unless someone can give me concrete evidence that somehow mucus
survives stomach acid, which can dissolve the 24oz steak I ate
last night...  I label will label this frequently repeated
story as a myth.  I've even heard a doctor say that if you
swallow mucus it will come out in your poop.

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truehawk - 04 Feb 2008 04:50 GMT
> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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Prilosec
truehawk - 04 Feb 2008 05:59 GMT
> > marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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>
> Prilosec

and errfrsdaf,
The most likely reason that you were having conversations with you
doctor about the digestability of mucus
Is because it hurts your stomach too.
I remember that a simular, can't-resist-the-acid arguement was made as
proof that ulcers were not of bacterial origin.
H. pylori makes itself a thick protective mucus.
Also though the stomach has acid, the esophagus does not.
errfrsdaf - 05 Feb 2008 01:58 GMT
>>> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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> doctor about the digestability of mucus
> Is because it hurts your stomach too.

No... I was discussing one of my babies with the doctor.

> I remember that a simular, can't-resist-the-acid arguement was made as
> proof that ulcers were not of bacterial origin.
> H. pylori makes itself a thick protective mucus.
> Also though the stomach has acid, the esophagus does not.

I don't know how H. pylori works but I can tell you that there is no
way that if you swallow a ball of phlegm that it will survive, intact,
on a trip through the stomach and intestines and be seen again in your
stool.

I think it's very likely that if you have a cold/sinusitis/whatever
making your nose run...  your stomach is likely upset for other reasons
but it helps to make this mucus/tummy ache myth persist.

He're my source...  :)

http://www.poopreport.com/Doctor/Knowledgebase/nasal_drip.html

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errfrsdaf - 05 Feb 2008 01:59 GMT
>> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Prilosec

Care to expand on that?

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truehawk - 05 Feb 2008 02:50 GMT
> >> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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Please refer to the Michael's post in the
stomach upset and post nasal drip thread.

look for  the sentence "causes emisis in the primate model."

"Staphylococcal Enterotoxins

The SEs, SEA through SEI except SEF, are produced by various
coagulase-
producing staphylococci. Although known for many years as the cause of
SFP, they have only recently been shown to be superantigenic, and in
particular SEB and SEC have been implicated in nonmenstrual TSS. All
SEs thus far characterized have the immunomodulatory properties of
superantigens, and several have been demonstrated to be lethal in the
rabbit model of TSS. Molecular studies of the SEs have shown that
superantigenicity and the capacity for causing SFP are determined by
separate parts of the protein (2, 67). Several reviews of SEs are
available, and other sections of this review provide background on
toxin genetics and TSS pathogenesis.

All toxins thus far identified share a number of important properties
(10, 12, 24, 26), including (i) an ability to cause emesis and
gastroenteritis in a primate model, (ii) superantigenicity, (iii)
intermediate resistance to heat and pepsin digestion, and (iv)
tertiary structural similarity (where known) including an
intramolecular disulfide bond. "

Note point (iii) intermediate resistance to ... pepsin digestion,

from:-
Exotoxins of Staphylococcus aureus
Martin M. Dinges, Paul M. Orwin, and Patrick M. Schlievert*
Department of Microbiology, University of Minnesota School of
Medicine, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55455
Clin Microbiol Rev. 2000 January; 13(1): 16-34.
Copyright (c) 2000, American Society for Microbiology
Full text at:-
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubme...
errfrsdaf - 05 Feb 2008 03:22 GMT
>>>> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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>
> look for  the sentence "causes emisis in the primate model."

Well...  you responded "Prilosec" to me and that is why I
questioned you but I think you meant to respond to Marla.

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truehawk - 05 Feb 2008 05:13 GMT
> >>>> marlac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Do any of you know what can be used to break up the swallowed mucus
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If I try to respond to anything other than the last post, the post
will be lost.
It has happened to me many times.  If you are using a threaded view
that shows
replies to a specific person, it might seem chaotic, but that is the
reason.
errfrsdaf - 06 Feb 2008 01:41 GMT
> If I try to respond to anything other than the last post, the post
> will be lost.
> It has happened to me many times.  If you are using a threaded view
> that shows
> replies to a specific person, it might seem chaotic, but that is the
> reason.

Time for you to look for some new news reader software.

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Michael - 06 Feb 2008 10:09 GMT
> > If I try to respond to anything other than the last post, the post
> > will be lost.
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> Time for you to look for some new news reader software.

errfrsdaf :

can you recommend any software in particular; on occasion I have had
similar problems and eccentricities using Firefox/2.0.0.11, the latest
release and update?

Thanks,

Michael
errfrsdaf - 07 Feb 2008 03:30 GMT
>> Time for you to look for some new news reader software.
>
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>
> Michael

Firefox, a great web browser (and I would not recommend
changing it) is not a news reader.  Some web sites grab
nntp feeds (to get themselves traffic) and then present
it through a browser.  Sites like those could definitely
lose posts.  I recommend finding a real nntp service
and read it with Mozilla Thunderbird. Your ISP may offer
nntp service already.

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