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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2008tannins & acid reflux?
just out of curiousity, can anyone comment on possible links between tannins & acid reflux? i haven't gotten the pecans yet & it's not like i'm continually sucking on the tea bags, but earlier this week i started to get what i assume to be acid reflux. it's flared up pretty bad & i'm trying to learn what to do about it. this happened prior to starting the zithro (which seems to be helping the sinus/ears). & of course the zithro is flaring up my guts/ibs, which i can usually manage well with probiotics, diet, & enteric coated peppermint capsules (which i assume are a definite no no with this upper gi thing). for now, i am assuming that the reflux is one of the many lovely symptoms of perimenopause, but i don't want to make things worse than they currently are. hence, back to the original question. any thoughts are appreciated. ellen > just out of curiousity, can anyone comment on possible links between > tannins & acid reflux? i haven't gotten the pecans yet & it's not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ellen Ellen: Take some prilosec. It works. The acid reflux is a product of the crud. I do not have it when on the Prilosec OTC or Sporanox. I have also had that reaction when the stuff dies off. > Ellen: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I do not have it when on the Prilosec OTC or Sporanox. > I have also had that reaction when the stuff dies off. Yabbut, Ellen also has apparent adrenal issues, and acid reflux is a common occurrence with elevated cortisol. No reason not to try Prilosec, but her reflux may have absolutely nothing to do with her sinuses; mine never has. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan For what's it's worth, I too have noticed a slight bit of acid reflux since I started using tannin/tea irrigation. I also started taking the N-acetyl-L-cysteine (600mg 2x a day with meals) around the same time as I started the tea, and that also can irritate your stomach Sergei91 > For what's it's worth, I too have noticed a slight bit of acid reflux > since I started using tannin/tea irrigation. I also started taking > the N-acetyl-L-cysteine (600mg 2x a day with meals) around the same > time as I started the tea, and that also can irritate your stomach > Sergei91 NAC is extremely irritating to the stomach and definitely causes reflux, IME. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Susan Susan, What is IME? I think along with the NAC and tannins I'm gonna go get some Prilosec. Are there any contradictions taking the Prilosec with NAC or Vit D3 that anyone is aware of? Sergei91 On 2/1/08 7:31 PM, in article b7496808-1981-4251-b522-bd877d611266@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com, I personally would not assume that infected material from your sinus dripping to your stomach is the cause of stomach distress. This is because it is "normal" for infected maerial to go to the stomach where it is naturally digested/killed by the stomach acid. This is a normal action and stomach disress as a result of this action is not commonly seen, except perhaps in those taking proton pump inhibitors that reduces the stomach acid. Stomach distress at the same time as post nasal drip are probably unrelated. > On 2/1/08 7:31 PM, in article > b7496808-1981-4251-b522-bd877d611...@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > acid. > Stomach distress at the same time as post nasal drip are probably unrelated. Doc Do just one thing for me. For the next month ask your patients if they have stomach distress. > Doc > Do just one thing for me. > For the next month ask your patients if they have stomach distress. Even if they do, it isn't proof that drainage is the cause, since so many things are happening in the body during infection. Cortisol rises during acute infection and causes GERD, too. Susan On 2/1/08 11:26 PM, in article 4d6fa584-91d1-4fbc-bc18-bfbd8c86ffbc@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com, > For the next month ask your patients if they have stomach distress. At every visit the patient fills out a list of current complaints including fever, joint and stomach symptoms with emphasis on reflux. In addition to the written form they are asked by the nurese about sympotoms. Also BP and Oxygen. That's why whe person coming in for sinus headache or tinnitus is often found to have serious blood pressure instead -- even some oready on medicaitons. . > Susan, > What is IME? In my experience. > I think along with the NAC and tannins I'm gonna go get some > Prilosec. Are there any contradictions taking the Prilosec with NAC > or Vit D3 that anyone is aware of? > Sergei91 I'm not aware of it, but it may or may not be a problem. Be aware, too, that acid blockers often cause delayed gastric emptying, a symptoms most docs overlook or don't even know about. Susan I have acid reflux and I find the best time to take Prilosec is before bedtime, or after dinnertime. Also sleep on your left side at night. shirleyann On 2/2/08 4:53 AM, in article 20848-47A467E0-1836@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net, "Shirley ann" <shirleyann2@webtv.net> wrote: > Also sleep on your left side at night. > > shirleyann Thank you Shirleyann for reminding everyone of a most important recoomendation that can make a huge difference. How to sleep on the left side??? One thing to try is to sew/tape a very old tennis ball to t T shirt so you don't leep on your back. Try to place it so sleeping on your left gives the least poking. > On 2/2/08 4:53 AM, in article > 20848-47A467E0-1...@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net, "Shirley ann" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > tennis ball to t T shirt so you don't leep on your back. Try to place it so > sleeping on your left gives the least poking. This is also a tried-and-true remedy for most snorers -- those who snore only when sleeping on their backs. I've heard three tennis balls, but .... that's quibbling ;-) Positioning OF the balls would be how you make one side more comfy than the other. BTW: I've NEVER heard myself snore, so ... ;-) On Feb 2, 3:03 pm, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On 2/2/08 4:53 AM, in article > > 20848-47A467E0-1...@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net, "Shirley ann" [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > BTW: I've NEVER heard myself snore, so ... ;-) Doc: I have had two rounds of barium contrast swallowing studies, and an endoscopy and couple of other tests which I don't remember the names of that ruled out defects in my swallowing coordination or pyloric valve. And I have god awful heartburn when my sinuses are untreated, and a bit worse than god awful when antibiotic/antifungal treatment starts, and then it tapers off. In time that my sinuses have been most clear, my heartburn has been least evident. There is a one to one correlation. I treat it with Prilosec which as you know is omeprazole, like most azoles it kills fungi in acid environments. Combined with the antibiotic clarithromycin (Biaxin), Prilosec is also used to cure patients who have ulcers caused by H. pylori. So I question weather it's effectiveness is because it is shutting down the stomach's ion pumps or the ion pumps of something else. Anyway I am grateful that it is over the counter, as it has made my life a lot less painful. > Also sleep on your left side at night. > > shirleyann why left side? btw - thanks everyone for all the responses. interesting discussion. ellen |
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