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Byron Hinson - 28 Dec 2007 17:47 GMT
Does anyone else feel wobbly sometimes when they have a bought of sinusitis,
Seems like I am feeling like that today as well as having a lot of mucus
down my throat and pain in the center of my head above my nose where I have
a deviated septum

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Steven L. - 28 Dec 2007 23:10 GMT
> Does anyone else feel wobbly sometimes when they have a bought of
> sinusitis,

Sure.
And it means your body is trying to tell you something--most likely that
you need more rest to fight the sinusitis.
So listen to your body.
Turn off the damn alarm clock, and just go to bed earlier.  Sleep longer.

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judy.n - 29 Dec 2007 01:43 GMT
Sinusitis can definitely cause vertigo--your inner ear gets involved
in the inflammatory/stuffed up process, as well as general "malaise"
that can make you feel wobbly.
Hope you feel better soon.
Judy

> > Does anyone else feel wobbly sometimes when they have a bought of
> > sinusitis,
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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 02:48 GMT
> Sinusitis can definitely cause vertigo--your inner ear gets involved
> in the inflammatory/stuffed up process, as well as general "malaise"
> that can make you feel wobbly.
> Hope you feel better soon.

I get vertigo with any infection, likely due to the adrenal suppression
it causes as it persists.  In fact, lightheadedness, vertigo, tinnitus
are all hallmarks of adrenal suppression, too.

Susan
Steven L. - 29 Dec 2007 13:10 GMT
>> Sinusitis can definitely cause vertigo--your inner ear gets involved
>> in the inflammatory/stuffed up process, as well as general "malaise"
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> I get vertigo with any infection, likely due to the adrenal suppression
> it causes as it persists.

Judy is closer to the truth here.  Even before the infection gets into
your inner ear, your brain tends to interpret head stuffiness as
light-headedness.  I can produce that sensation just with a stiff neck
from sleeping in the wrong position.

When the infection hits the inner ear, then true vertigo can result.

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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 14:15 GMT
> Judy is closer to the truth here.

LOL... thanks, Moses.  Put down the tablet, you'll hurt your back.

 Even before the infection gets into
> your inner ear, your brain tends to interpret head stuffiness as
> light-headedness.  I can produce that sensation just with a stiff neck
> from sleeping in the wrong position.

Your brain doesn't interpret "stuffiness" as lightheadedness, and the
dizziness and lightheadedness I refer to occurs with and without sinus
troubles or other infection, too, in the case of low adrenal function.

Both things are the truth.

Susan
judy.n - 29 Dec 2007 14:45 GMT
There's lots of causes of vertigo: and cervicogenic is one of them.

I have chronic vertigo due to a virus that caused sudden hearing loss
many years ago. With relatively quick use of steroids: I was a
freshman at U of M and they treated me at the U Hospital, I got most
of my hearing back, but my vestibular portion of the nerve is fried.
Damaged ears get BPPV (crystals that cause vertigo) and the loss of
vestibular function should be compensated by the brain--but sometimes
it doesn't do a good job. (I get bouts of BPPV, and no amount of
Epleys make it better...) There was a NEJM article a couple of years
ago that proved that viral labrynthitis causes permanent vestibular
damage: the editorial on the study was written by a physician who got
his virus on vacation, and still has bouts of vertigo: it was entitled
"Dizzy in Donegal". It argued for used of steroids with sudden onset
of vertigo. Good thing the people in Ann Arbor did it for me all those
years ago--it had started in Chicago, and they just gave me sudafed.
So, as a clueless freshman, it took a few days for me to access the
ENT on campus. Earlier steroids could have helped.
 That said: lots of causes of vertigo.
 Personally, when my sinuses are stuffed, my vertigo gets worse--it's
part stuffiness and part just feeling lousy, so I decompensate.
Judy

> >> Sinusitis can definitely cause vertigo--your inner ear gets involved
> >> in the inflammatory/stuffed up process, as well as general "malaise"
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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 14:50 GMT
> There's lots of causes of vertigo: and cervicogenic is one of them.
>
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>   Personally, when my sinuses are stuffed, my vertigo gets worse--it's
> part stuffiness and part just feeling lousy, so I decompensate.

Judy, how do they prove that a virus is the cause?  Do they culture it
from the nerves or by other means?  I ask because that was my sister's
dx, years ago, but hers turns out to be, like mine, HPA related and
she's recently tested + for cyclic hypercortisolemia, too.
Interestingly, she also takes 9.5mg of Premarin, so clearly her body is
desperate for adequate CBG to lower her free cortisol.  My sister's
alleged virus always occurred on vacations, too, when it was sporadic.

I agree that there are many causes of vertigo.  For many years, my first
hint that I was brewing a sinus infection was room spinning episodes
with leg muscle spasms and heaviness/weakness and sleepiness.  Taking a
high dose of K DUR rids me of spasms and ht, and treating the infection
takes care of the rest.

Susan
judy.n - 29 Dec 2007 15:12 GMT
Susan,
 Good point: the diagnosis is made clinically.
 You can't image the vestibular system--when I go to Mass Eye and
Ear, they have brochures for you to donate your temporal bones after
death, for research, in the waiting room of the otology department.
 So, as my ENT has explained to me: when you can't image the system,
and no one goes into it, except otologists who are killing it off when
they do Meniere's surgery, all vertigo diagnoses are by inference.
I've had ENG's, fancier stuff like rotational chairs and balance
machines, and they interpret them as showing decreased vestibular
function in my "bad" ear.
 A potential reason for vertigo with vacations is mal de
disembarkment: the illusion of movement after movement stops. I would
have it every summer when I sailed, and never made the connection: for
months, the room wouldn't stop moving. It can occur with flying, and
the pressurization of flying can make it worse.
 The latest common diagnosis is migraine associated vertigo. I do
believe in it, but as it is a diagnosis of exclusion, and migraine is
so common, I think it's being a bit over used currently. A member of
my family truly has it: her migraines are 99% vertigo, and she spent
many years in really bad shape until she started on a low dose of
medication to suppress migraines. She started with bouts of vertigo as
child. In her case, she was hospitalized with intractable migraine,
and the neurologist couldn't fathom why she was having terrible
vertigo. My ENT "got it" instantly.
 Interesting about the muscle spasms--I have a few woppers lately,
and I"ve had the nasty lingering virus--keeps threatening to be a
"real" sinus infection, but doesn't get there, and I've been dizzy and
having some major leg cramps. And, I'm using my asthma inhaled
steroids....
 For me, my first symptoms of sinusiits used to be severe nausea,
which was associated with the vertigo, When I had a really bad time
with vertigo: about 5 years ago I had a huge episode of BPPV in a yoga
class, and the rehab (I did it to extreme--trying to reposition the
otolith) likely did further damage to my inner ear--I was so nauseated
for a couple of years. My medical director at the time couldn't stand
to look at me in meetings because she said it made her feel car sick.
Think how I felt.
 I did call out one day this week when the virus was at it's peak,
and when I came back the office, I got the common statement from
patients that makes me crazy: "I didn't think doctors get sick." No,
we just deal with high volumes of ill people, and have some secret
defense weapon. My internist earned my high regard when she admitted--
and she's trained in ID as well as medicine--that she asked a patient
to cover her mouth. I've never had the guts to directly say it. It
makes my husband---who as a dentist is masked, gloved and gowned,
nuts.
 Judy

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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT
> Susan,
>   Good point: the diagnosis is made clinically.
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> machines, and they interpret them as showing decreased vestibular
> function in my "bad" ear.

My sister had those studies, too, and was diagnosed viral many years
ago. The vertigo always came on with disabling fatigue, which became
permanent til I realized the Xyrem she takes for sleep suppresses
cortisol.  Once she tapered, slowly, she was no longer bedridden after 7
months pasted to her mattress.

>   A potential reason for vertigo with vacations is mal de
> disembarkment: the illusion of movement after movement stops. I would
> have it every summer when I sailed, and never made the connection: for
> months, the room wouldn't stop moving. It can occur with flying, and
> the pressurization of flying can make it worse.

This seems to be my sister's past experience.  Stress also lowers
cortisol, and time zone changes cause derangements, too, which some may
be more sensitive to.

>   The latest common diagnosis is migraine associated vertigo. I do
> believe in it, but as it is a diagnosis of exclusion, and migraine is
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> having some major leg cramps. And, I'm using my asthma inhaled
> steroids....

OY, VEY, Judy.  The spasms are from adrenal suppression, IME.  Try some
K DUR or NuSalt. It's also the cure for my decades long labile ht.

>   For me, my first symptoms of sinusiits used to be severe nausea,
> which was associated with the vertigo, When I had a really bad time
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> to look at me in meetings because she said it made her feel car sick.
> Think how I felt.

So, to add to your differential, nausea is a constant with lowered
adrenal function.  It varies, from mild to intense, IME, with or without
vertigo.

>   I did call out one day this week when the virus was at it's peak,
> and when I came back the office, I got the common statement from
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> makes my husband---who as a dentist is masked, gloved and gowned,
> nuts.

I wouldn't hesitate to ask patients to cover their mouths!  I'd let them
know you need to stay healthy to see all the other sick folks!

Susan
judy.n - 29 Dec 2007 15:54 GMT
My allergist, who is semi-retired, discovered adrenal suppression when
his wife took Flovent. I passed him the hall yesterday, but didn't
talk.
 I'm admitting defeat here: after 10 days of this virus, my head is
clogged and nasty, and I"m feverish. I'm going to over-prescribe
antibiotics for myself. It's been over 2 years since I've had take
anything beyond the daily biaxiin, and I hate to admit defeat. I see
my ENT in a few weeks.
 Still, before biaxin, I needed antibiotics every 6 weeks...for many
years.
Judy

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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 15:57 GMT
> My allergist, who is semi-retired, discovered adrenal suppression when
> his wife took Flovent. I passed him the hall yesterday, but didn't
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>   Still, before biaxin, I needed antibiotics every 6 weeks...for many
> years.

Judy, consider megadosing vit. D, please, I'm dying to hear that it's
not a fluke.  My sinus infection has responded identically to the way
the other folks described.  Within a few hours, a ginormous glob
drained, the next day a lot of blood and junk cleared out, and now, very
little that's icky comes out, even when I irrigate.  I'm draining like
crazy, no stuffiness at all for the first time in months.

I just want to say, this comes after two months of mega dosing Ceftin
then two Augmentin XR 2X per day without luck.

Susan
judy.n - 29 Dec 2007 16:41 GMT
Susan,
 I'm not that brave, yet. I do take 1,000u/day. We use the 50,000 a
lot for replacement.
I have no doubt it's a natural antibiotic.
 Ironically, I just finally went to the lab yesterday with the slips
from allergist--reconfirm immune deficiency--IgG subset and decreased
response to pneumovax, and internist--a general endocrine eval.They'd
been sitting on the frigde, and I felt so lousy, it made me compliant.
 Judy
(I'll will take some potassium: wonderfull NEJM article on the utility
of potassium in hypertension, about 9 months ago. Our kidneys are set
up for a vegetarian diet: high K and low sodium, and set to conserve
sodium and get rid of potassium. They said we have "stone age"
kidneys.)

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Susan - 29 Dec 2007 18:02 GMT
> Susan,
>   I'm not that brave, yet. I do take 1,000u/day. We use the 50,000 a
> lot for replacement.
> I have no doubt it's a natural antibiotic.

Judy, if you read the research council's statement on toxicity, no
bravery is required at all.

>   Ironically, I just finally went to the lab yesterday with the slips
> from allergist--reconfirm immune deficiency--IgG subset and decreased
> response to pneumovax, and internist--a general endocrine eval.They'd
> been sitting on the frigde, and I felt so lousy, it made me compliant.

I wonder if you've considered a full HPA axis workup along with a pit
MRI read by a pit expert neurosurgeon and adrenal C-T?

>   Judy
> (I'll will take some potassium: wonderfull NEJM article on the utility
> of potassium in hypertension, about 9 months ago. Our kidneys are set
> up for a vegetarian diet: high K and low sodium, and set to conserve
> sodium and get rid of potassium. They said we have "stone age"
> kidneys.)

Our kidneys are most certainly NOT set up for a vegetarian diet; meat,
shellfish and fish and vegetables are higher in potassium than anything
else, practically.  And meat doesn't raise glucose, which damages
kidneys, protein does not.

Susan
Duke - 24 Jan 2008 22:22 GMT
> There's lots of causes of vertigo: and cervicogenic is one of them.
>
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checking back in on the group; amazing similarities ! I took an
ambulance ride this summer. I would have bet ( as would the EMTs) I
was coronary...sweat---I was soaked---nausea ! I was hurling from
things I ate in kindergarten ! and so on. Long story short, nasty bout
of vestibular labrynthitis (spell) . Could not walk a straight line
for six weeks. Maybe I am still a bit off.

Went back on macrolides ....helps great deal. New insurance has not
determined if infusions shall continue yet. I am four weeks past usual
250ml dose of gammunex, and struggling a bit. Slight infection
feeling, little bits of yellow/green...nothing severe yet, just low on
pep. I am curious to try and go without them altogether. I may get
that chance, like it or not ! If they ask for new labs, probably due
anyway.

Someone else on in the group had asked what my labs were a month ago.
Here is waht I sent him ( in terms of the subclasses) ; see below.

Your thoughts Judy ?

Hey, Duke....

> If you don't mind my asking ... what were your IgG1 and IgG3 levels???

> If it interests you, I'll dig up mine....

I apologize I have not checked in for so long.

IgG subclass 1  Ser qn 420Lr  ( ref range 422-1,292)

IgG subclass 3 Ser qn 38Lr ( ref range 41-129)

BTW , IgM 42 ( ref 60-300) , but nothing can or arguably need be done
there.
judy.n - 25 Jan 2008 18:49 GMT
Duke,
 I just got mine redone:
Ironically, same numbers as 5 years ago, different lab with different
reference #
IgG1=352 (low) range=382-929
IgG2=451  (ok) range=241-700
IgG3=22 (low nl)--range=22-178
IgG4-2.7 (low) range=4-86
IgE=1.7
Unfortunately I don't have the reference range on this print out--but
the numbers are the same values were Subclass 1/3 low in the past.
We agreed that I'm essentially low in 1/3/4--with 1 the most
clinically important value.
I found a good handout--for a patient with zero 2/4.
I'll post it.
Judy

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