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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / November 2007Success with Vasomotor Rhinitis
I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. I made a post about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. I was in the process of using a more aggressive retiment of Ipratropium Bromide and Nasarel. It seems when I apply both of these meds about 6 or 7 times each day, I get some relief. I have tried Pseuophed, but it only worked for about an hour or two. I still have a little post nasal drip - I secrete a mucus clot perhaps once every 15 to 20 minutes as compared to every 2 to 3 minutes in the past. I also seem to have almost stopped the early morning nose run. I was getting runny nose every moring where the nose would run so severly that it would either drip on the floor or that it would drain into my mouth while I was working on the computer. Now, it is just a little run if I use the nasarel and Ipratropium Bromide aggressivly. I use to have a lot of trouble with drowsiness stemming from inflamed and swelled sinuses. This really caused me some serious real life problems with driving and dozeing in school classes and business meetings. I was able to keep my nasal passages clean by staying out of areas where my sinuses became inflamed (second hand cigarette smoke) and by keeping my nasal passages clean. When I developed infections, I really had problems. Anybody else here have similar problems? > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. I made a post > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. I was [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > my nasal passages clean. When I developed infections, I really had > problems. Anybody else here have similar problems? Oh I'd say just about everyone. > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. I made a post > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. I was [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > my nasal passages clean. When I developed infections, I really had > problems. Anybody else here have similar problems? hi fred, can't say that i get the type of discharge action that you do, but i can really relate to the drowsiness/inflammation thing. i've slept in more than a few meetings/classes. i don't understand the whole mechanism/connections, which seem in my case to be more related to stuff other than allergies. currently, i'm not infected (yay!) but do experience cyclical ups & downs with it constantly. have never used what you describe (sudafed doesn't help me much either). i too, try to avoid problems & keep clear. but so much seems out of my control. i think i recall you mentioning depression/ anxiety related issues, which i certainly have had my adult life with this. chicken & the egg... i know my system is hypersensitive & i need divine neuro/endo/immune intervention. so far that hasn't happened, so i take care as best as i can & keep getting great help & support from the great folks here. wish i could help, but i can say the i suffer with you. best, ellen > > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. �I made a post > > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. �I was [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hi Ellen My sinus stuff started when I was 13. I started dozeing off in class. At 20, I rolled a car. After much trian and error, I found out in my late 30's that red wine is one of the triggers. Cigarette smoke is another. One thing I found is that if I kept my nasal passages clean, then I wound have a minimum of inflammation/ infection. The major formula for the big picture is that inflammation/ excessive mucus causes infection that causes sinus infections and sunusitis. Afrin helps me when my nose becomes clogged. It is a vasoconstrictor. After I made this much progress, the main problem was just that my nose would run every day. As for divine neuro/endo/ immune intervention, it is a fact. What is needed is a magic bullit or antagonist that works. As for the treeatment with Nasarel/ ipatropium Bromide, it does seem to help my neuro system shut off the greatest part of the mucus flow. When I googled for some information, I found that the mucus flow is triggered by the vasopalatine nerve which is controlled by the medula. What is needed is a chemical bullit that relaxes the smooth muscle and the nerves that trigger the release of excessive mucus. Last night, I looked at the nervous system diagram. It is like a massive schedmatic diagram. Also, allergies are closely linked with depression/anxiety. Tricyclics have antihistimine affects. SSRI's were derived from allergy drugs. Look up MAO inhibitors - they are antidepressants. I found out last night that MAOs are Dopamine, norephenephrimine, Seratonin , Melatonin and adrenalin. These, along with histamine, are your neurotransmittors. I found a lot of information last night on the internet. I am happy to share the information and the URL's with you in case you want to do some informative reading. Fred > When I googled for some information, > I found that the mucus flow is triggered by the vasopalatine nerve [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > system diagram. It is like a massive schedmatic diagram. Also, > allergies are closely linked with depression/anxiety. Interesting, Fred. I'm writing this from my hotel room in Rochester, MN (yup: Mayo Clinic town). In addition to the other stuff I've been battling, a DPT vaccine -- given so I could be the best man at my friend's wedding, in Belize -- seems to have triggered something called Parsonage-Turner Syndrome ... or ... Brachial Neuritis (and knocked me out of the trip). Because of that, I'll be seeing a number of people from neurology over the next week or so. I'll make a note to ask them what they know about this. I'm a charter member of the Runny Noses Society myself ;-) Neil On Nov 17, 10:05�pm, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > When I googled for some information, > > I found that the mucus flow is triggered �by the vasopalatine nerve [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Neil You are at a good source of information at the Mayo clinic. I don't know how interrelated your Syndrome is with you nasal problems. I have Tourette Sydnrome and when interacts with these respiratory difficulties, it gives me problems. I do often wonder how these two medical problems are interrelated. I hope you get your inflammation resolved. Fred On Nov 18, 12:05 am, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > When I googled for some information, > > I found that the mucus flow is triggered by the vasopalatine nerve [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Neil neil! here i've been envisioning you having a hell of a time in a positive way. so sorry about all that. the P-TS sounds very scary. please keep us posted. best, ellen > neil! here i've been envisioning you having a hell of a time in a > positive way. so sorry about all that. the P-TS sounds very scary. > please keep us posted. Thanks, Ellen. Nah. Going, and having a raucous good time, was the easy way. Anybody could have done that. I had to find something unconventional -- like a rare illness -- to make me unforgettable when they look back on their wedding days. I hope you're well. I'm getting a(nother) taste of those midwest winters that you live through, and from which I fled! Brrrr! Rochester, at least, had the great good decency to build a subway/ skyway system, allowing you to prance around, shop, and get a little exercise with only faint images of what it's like outside. A bathtub full of water really DOES ameliorate some heat-induced low- humidity sinus issues, at least ;-) On Nov 18, 9:17 pm, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > neil! here i've been envisioning you having a hell of a time in a > > positive way. so sorry about all that. the P-TS sounds very scary. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > A bathtub full of water really DOES ameliorate some heat-induced low- > humidity sinus issues, at least ;-) be careful out/down there, neil. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32549265@N00/1919907497/in/set-72157603010705502/ ellen > be careful out/down there, neil.http://www.flickr.com/photos/32549265@N00/1919907497/in/set-721576030... > > ellen THAT'S THEM!!! Only they're (inexplicably) blonde ... and ... conspicuously polite. Hmm. > > be careful out/down there, neil.http://www.flickr.com/photos/32549265@N00/1919907497/in/set-721576030... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hmm. lol! of course - darwin's theory of evolution/species adaptation! & here i am sending you the local detroit area variation. ellen Neil, Was it the Adacel? I've been meaning to get one, as I get coughed on all the time, but the PA I work with told me that he felt lousy after he got one, so I never seem to get around to getting it. I'd like to not be suseptible to pertussis: and I've been seeing some suspicious cases lately, but I am concerned about the vaccine. FYI: my allergist gives me the pneumovax every so often, to document my IgG response to it, and the last time he gave it to me, my arm got very sore, and I was numb, and actually felt ill for a day. I hope it's just a reactive neuritis to the vaccine that will resolve on it's own. It's rotten that you missed the wedding and got this neuritis. Let us know how things go at Mayo. Judy On Nov 18, 12:05 am, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > When I googled for some information, > > I found that the mucus flow is triggered by the vasopalatine nerve [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Neil > Neil, > Was it the Adacel? Hi, Doc. I'm fairly sure that was the name, but will/can verify when I get back to San Diego. >I've been meaning to get one, as I get coughed on > all the time, but the PA I work with told me that he felt lousy after > he got one, so I never seem to get around to getting it. The FIRST thing I got was sick ... elevated fever, fatigue, mild nausea, chills ... felt like crap. That lasted about three days. Somewhere around the third day began this weird shoulder and arm pain. In my case, I simply think there's something chronic, and undiagnosed, ruminating around underneath, causing/exacerbating all of what I've got. Sadly, I certainly have to wonder whether others on THIS forum could have a similar, and contraindicating, condition. > I'd like to > not be suseptible to pertussis: and I've been seeing some suspicious > cases lately, but I am concerned about the vaccine. I watched a CNN segment last night where a County was mandating school- aged kids get yet another vaccination. Through that piece, I found these folks: http://www.nvic.org/ In addition to whatever other sources you might normally reference, there may be some DPT-specific info there ... like this: http://nvic.org/Diseases/whooping.htm Like anything else, I suppose, a little reading should steer you handily away from it ;-) > FYI: my allergist gives me the pneumovax every so often, to document > my IgG response to it, and the last time he gave it to me, my arm got > very sore, and I was numb, and actually felt ill for a day. > I hope it's just a reactive neuritis to the vaccine that will > resolve on it's own. Vaccination date: 9/24. Condition seems to be worse, not better. Sigh. Better living through chemistry, eh? > It's rotten that you missed the wedding and got this neuritis. JUST got an e-mail from the groom. Entire wedding party was awfully bitten up on their return. NOT particularly sorry to have missed that piece, but .... > Let us know how things go at Mayo. Will do. Thanks, Doc. Incidentally, I'm still working on convincing myself that Rochester is a "bigger and better" facility than either Florida or Arizona (as I freeze my hind quarters off in MN) :-) I had a friend's sister join their staff, and she called in October and asked if we had snow in RI. Nope. I hear they have all sorts of inside walk ways. Thanks for all the references. I'm going to check them out before I consider the shot. An oral surgeon who worked with my husband picked up something esoteric in Belize, and has been out of work for about 5 years--still, you were the best man... Good luck. Stay warm. Judy On Nov 18, 9:13 pm, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Neil, > > Was it the Adacel? [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > a "bigger and better" facility than either Florida or Arizona (as I > freeze my hind quarters off in MN) :-) > I hear they have all sorts of inside walk ways. Mole people. Very powerful fingernails. I try not to upset them ;-) Check it out: http://www.ci.rochester.mn.us/visitors/maps/downtownmap.pdf I'd like to randomly check /these/ people's vitamin D levels! > An oral surgeon who worked with my husband picked up something > esoteric in Belize, and has been out of work for about 5 years--still, > you were the best man... Yikes. I had visions of that kind of story. Rumor has it that they all returned viciously bitten by the local winged thingies. Apparently, a gentle lady named Linette was the surrogate best man ... or something like that. > Good luck. Stay warm. Thanks much. It's like Vegas around here: no perception of day, date, time, or weather. Mole people, indeed :-) My cursory look at the literature wasn't very promising. I'm never after a label to hang on what I have. I'm always looking for a way out. I don't presume that you've found out anything that aids in IgG subclass deficiencies, huh? I actually saw where "vigorous exercise" can predispose one TO this sort of problem. Sigh. > > > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. �I made a post > > > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. �I was [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > you in case you want to do some informative reading. > Fred thanks for the info, fred. always appreciate well researched links. since many of the folks here seem to have experience/interest/ knowledge in one or more aspects related to sinusitis, perhaps you are destined to become the group's resident expert in this area. i usually just come begging with questions or handing out sarcasm. ellen ellen > > > > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. �I made a post > > > > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. �I was [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I have had to do a bunch of research on different meds that doctors have given me in the past. I have a mild case of Tourette Syndrome. My main problems are anxiety/depression but this respiratory problem makes the anxiety worse because I cannot perform work when I am sick and have both upper respiratory inflamations and infections. Just recently my p-doc tried to give me a tricyclic - Doxepin - for the nasal problem. I Tricyclics can be used for an antihistamine - check google and it will tell you. I cannot take tricyclics because they cause a dangerous elevation in my catecholines. I had to do a 24 hour urine collection test back in 1992 and my catecholines were off the chart - Pamelar was the culprit. This condition was discovered when I had to go in for neck surgery. The blood tests showed a high level of catecholines and thus the urine test and the result that Pamelar and my surgery was put on hold for a couple of weeks. I stopped the Pamelar and the catecholines went to normal. This is how you can get sick under a doctors care with an advrese reaction to a med. I can't believe how how respiratory problems and anxiety/depression are interrelated. I still am having good luck with the Ipatropium Bromide/ Nasarel sprays for my runny nose. > > > > > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. �I made a post > > > > > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. �I was [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > interrelated. I still am having good luck with the Ipatropium Bromide/ > Nasarel sprays for my runny nose. glad you're still having luck, fred. everything is insanely complicated. as neil is unfortunately currently demonstrating, many of us have had complications or adverse effects from meds, vaccines, or other proposed treatmtents. ellen > > I have been dealing with this disorder for a long time. �I made a post > > about 5 days ago where I was complaining about my runny nose. �I was [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ever have trouble falling asleep in a chruch or synagogue? All kinds of interesting chemicals and pollutants there. On Nov 16, 10:42 pm, Fred > Ever have trouble falling asleep in a chruch or synagogue? All kinds > of interesting chemicals and pollutants there. yes, but not for those reasons. ellen
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