Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / January 2008
biofilms/macrolides
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judy.n - 03 Nov 2007 21:28 GMT Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and clarithromycin as biofilm disrupters. Thinking of Elizabeth/TrueHawk as I post this. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear ch=17415138&ordinalpos=11&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel .Pubmed_RVDocSum
Judy
Susan - 03 Nov 2007 21:33 GMT > Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from > Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Judy Thanks, Judy, and has anyone heard from Elizabeth?
Susan
judy.n - 03 Nov 2007 21:42 GMT Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy I copied the abstract: 1: Laryngoscope. 2007 Apr;117(4):668-73. Links Biofilms in ear, nose, and throat infections: how important are they?
Vlastarakos PV, Nikolopoulos TP, Maragoudakis P, Tzagaroulakis A, Ferekidis E. ENT Department, Hippokrateion General Hospital of Athens, Athens, Greece. pevlast@hotmail.com BACKGROUND: Biofilms present a new challenging concept in sustaining chronic, common antibiotic-resistant ear, nose, and throat (ENT) infections. They are communities of sessile bacteria embedded in a matrix of extracellular polymeric substances of their own synthesis that adhere to a foreign body or a mucosal surface with impaired host defense. The aim of this paper is to review the literature on ENT diseases that can be attributed to biofilm formation and to discuss options for future treatment. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Literature review from Medline and database sources. Electronic links and related books were also included. STUDY SELECTION: Controlled clinical trials, animal models, ex vivo models, laboratory studies, retrospective studies, and systematic reviews. DATA SYNTHESIS: Biofilm formation is a dynamic five-step process guided by interbacterial communicating systems. Bacteria in biofilms express different genes and have markedly different phenotypes from their planktonic counterparts. Detachment of cells, production of endotoxin, increased resistance to the host immune system, and provision of a niche for the generation of resistant organisms are biofilm processes that could initiate the infection process. Effective prevention and management strategies include interruption of quorum sensing, inhibition of related genes, disruption of the protective extrapolymer matrix, macrolides (clarithromycin and erythromycin), and mechanical debridement of the biofilm-bearing tissues. With regard to medical indwelling devices, surface treatment of fluoroplastic grommets and redesign of cochlear implants could minimize initial microbial colonization. CONCLUSION: As the role of biofilms in human infection becomes better defined, ENT surgeons should be prepared to deal with their unique and tenacious nature. PMID: 17415138 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Susan Susan - 03 Nov 2007 21:47 GMT > Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy Too bad, I hope she's okay.
I miss her posts, too.
Maybe she's having too good a time in Russia getting phaged?
Susan
> I copied the abstract: > 1: Laryngoscope. 2007 Apr;117(4):668-73. Links [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >>Susan Murray Grossan - 04 Nov 2007 23:31 GMT On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article 1194122571.125629.44330@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
> Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy > I copied the abstract: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >> Susan Good article . In one line of research they are using various frequencies to inhibit the biofilm. In another various forms of surfactin are being added to the irrigation solution. This was presented by the U of Penn group recently. If you suspect biofilm ask your doctor about this.
Michael - 05 Nov 2007 09:57 GMT > On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article > 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n" [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > to the irrigation solution. This was presented by the U of Penn group > recently. If you suspect biofilm ask your doctor about this. "If you suspect biofilm"
What would be the symptoms that would suggest to a patient that this possibility should be raised with one's doctor?
Michael
judy.n - 06 Nov 2007 12:47 GMT Michael, Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic sinusitis have all demonstrated biofilms. It's part of the reason why antibiotics are only somewhat useful--they can't treat the matrix of a biofilm. This article looked at ways to disrupt the biofilm. Biofilms may be the underlying reason why surgery fails--you open up the sinuses to drainage, but they're lined with a film of bacteria that is resistant to treatment. Biofilms form in cystic fibrosis, and a percentage of people with chronic sinusitis have a minor mutation that is similar to cystic fibrosis, where their mucous is thicker and more predisposed to infection. So, I'd raise the issue of biofilm in most cases of chronic sinusitis, especially those that haven't responded to surgeries and usual therapies. Ellen said it was raised immediatedly at the U of M sinus center, by her first MD. When Elizabeth posted, she raised the issue frequently. I've seen ENT journal articles that document it in otitis media and tonsilitis--so any chronic ENT infection. Many ENT's don't seem to address it, so this article should help open the dialogue. Judy
> > On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article > > 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n" [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Michael Murray Grossan - 06 Nov 2007 15:49 GMT On 11/6/07 4:47 AM, in article 1194353231.885221.239520@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
> Michael, > Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > open the dialogue. > Judy Well said.
jjfjksdf - 07 Nov 2007 01:48 GMT > Michael, > Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > open the dialogue. > Judy I have to say... (being around 15 years chronic at the time) when I went to UM, I asked about fungus causing a problem. The ENT who was clearly agitated with me said "I'm not going to test you for it, I'm not going to treat you for it" She then said "if you want something to look up on the internet look up sampters triad because that what you have". (she never tested me for that either) She was totally uncaring the whole time and I never went back. It's amazing how some of these ENT's don't want to bother with helping you since there is no real cure.
Michael - 16 Nov 2007 05:35 GMT > > Michael, > > Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > the whole time and I never went back. It's amazing how some of these > ENT's don't want to bother with helping you since there is no real cure. Biofilms In Sinusitis --
The following provides 26 citations, with links to abstracts:-
http://www.biofilmsonline.com/cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/process?mv_session_id=LtnVQ gdQ&mv_todo=refresh&mv_nextpage=master_search_process.html&form_fn=3327813553Hx0 xE2S5iCw0caMyNmrf7u45%2Ffor15bLEfVtz%2BKTCTB20XvkoT7qwi487bmA4U%2B5&form_page=ad vancedsearch&master_form_revisit=1&master_search_criteria=sinusitis
judy.n - 16 Nov 2007 17:37 GMT Thanks. Those are good and recent references. Judy
> > > Michael, > > > Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > http://www.biofilmsonline.com/cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/process?mv_sessi... Murray Grossan - 06 Nov 2007 15:43 GMT On 11/5/07 1:57 AM, in article 1194256668.678681.261230@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Michael" <mfrpersonal@gmail.com> wrote:
> "If you suspect biofilm" > > What would be the symptoms that would suggest to a patient that this > possibility should be raised with one's doctor? > > Michael In patients who fail therapy or are reinfected frequently, biofilm can be a factor and adding products that can assist their removal is a proper approach. Of course if the CT shows pansinusitis, that won't help.
Brae - 29 Nov 2007 18:45 GMT > On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article > 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
> > Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy > > I copied the abstract: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dr. Grossan, can you post a link to that Univ. of Penn. study, if you have it? I'd like to find out what sufactin they used. Also, someone previously posted a recommended therapy of long-term "low dose" macrolides like Biaxin. Since I'm going to be bringing this suggestion to my ENT doctor, anyone know the dosage?
Susan - 29 Nov 2007 18:51 GMT > Dr. Grossan, can you post a link to that Univ. of Penn. study, if you > have it? I'd like to find out what sufactin they used. It may've just been a poster presentation or oral, not a formal study yet.
Also, someone
> previously posted a recommended therapy of long-term "low dose" > macrolides like Biaxin. Since I'm going to be bringing this suggestion > to my ENT doctor, anyone know the dosage? http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Cervin,A
Susan
judy.n - 03 Dec 2007 00:02 GMT The dose is 250mg of biaxin a day. An alternative, that has no data, but has worked clinically is azithromycin 250mg once or twice a week. I first heard about the macrolides from some studies from Japan, where they have a problem with pseudomonas infections of the entire respiratory tract: they reported benefit from erythromycin as EES as 400 or even 200mg a day. Cervin used erythromycin as 250mg twice a day. The studies also used a macrolide that is unavailable in the US: roxithromycin. Good luck. I find that the concept of low dose macrolides runs smack into the drive to decrease antimicrobial resistance, but the studies have reported that the low dose doesn't appear to create resistance, and personally, it's been a lifesaver for me. Drug companies are working to develop macrolides with anti inflammatory but no antimicrobial activity. They already have a version of doxycycline for rosacea that has no antibiotic activity, only anti inflammatory. Judy
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Susan Brae - 06 Dec 2007 04:59 GMT Thanks for the dosage.
Frankly, I can't see much difference between going off and on antibiotics repeatedly and staying on a single antibiotic for 3 months, in terms of creating resistant bugs. The former is probably worse.
> . > Good luck. I find that the concept of low dose macrolides runs smack [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Michael - 24 Dec 2007 01:29 GMT > Thanks for the dosage. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - Airway biofilms: implications for pathogenesis and therapy of respiratory tract infections. Kobayashi H.
First Department of Internal Medicine, Kyorin University School of Medicine, Shinkawa, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. hkobaya@kyorin-u.ac.jp [Treat Respir Med. 2005;4(4):241-53.]
The differentiation of bacterial biofilms in the airway environment, the pathogenesis of airway biofilm, and possible therapeutic methods are discussed. Biofilm diseases that characteristically involve the respiratory system include cystic fibrosis (CF), diffuse panbronchiolitis (DPB), and bronchiectasia with Pseudomonas aeruginosa (P. aeruginosa) infection. There is evidence to suggest that almost all strains of P. aeruginosa have the genetic capacity to synthesize alginate, a main matrix of biofilms, when ecological conditions are unfavorable for their survival. The bacteria inside the mature biofilm show increased resistance to both antibacterials and phagocytic cells, express fewer virulence factors because of their stationary state of growth, and are less stimulatory to the mucosa because of the 'sandwich binding'. These factors facilitate both the colonization of bacteria and their extended survival even under unfavorable conditions. Since the biofilm limits colonization to a latent form, the clinical symptoms in this situation are unremarkable. However, the clinical progression of both CF and DPB proceeds in two characteristic directions. The first is an acute exacerbation caused by planktonic bacteria that have germinated from the biofilm. The second is a slow progression of disease that is induced by harmful immune reactions. The harmful reactions are mediated by alginate, which induces antigen antibody reactions around the airways, as well as formation of circulating immune complexes that are deposited on lung tissue. Furthermore, the highest titer of bacterial permeability increasing anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic autoantibodies (BPI-ANCA) is observed in association with highly impaired pulmonary function in patients with CF and DPB, as well as in patients with a lengthy period of colonization with P. aeruginosa. BPI-ANCA subsequently makes chronic airway infection even more intractable. The long-term use of 14- or 15- ring membered macrolides results in a favorable clinical outcome for patients with DPB and in some patients with CF. In the last 10 years, an increasing number of studies have reported secondary actions of macrolides that include effects on both airway and phagocytic cells, as well as an anti-biofilm activity. The 14- or 15-ring membered macrolides inhibit: (i) the alginate production from P. aeruginosa; (ii) the antibody reaction to alginate, which leads to a decrease in the immune complex formation; and (iii) the activation of the autoinducer 3-O-C12-homoserine lactone and subsequent expression of lasI and rhlI in quorum sensing systems in P. aeruginosa. These anti- biofilm actions of macrolides may represent their basic mechanisms of action on airway biofilm disease.
PMID: 16086598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
judy.n - 24 Dec 2007 12:10 GMT Thanks. Good reference. It was the panbrocholitis that got the Japanese doing the research on low dose macrolides. I'm not sure why it's primarily Japanese issue. Judy
> > Thanks for the dosage. > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > PMID: 16086598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] John R - 15 Jan 2008 20:08 GMT Another current reference.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18090864?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
From the Department of Surgery-Otorhinolaryngology Head and Neck Surgery (k.r.h., a.j.p., p.-j.w., l.w.t.), The University of Adelaide, Adelaide, South Australia; and the Department of Microbiology (a.r.b.), The Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Adelaide, South Australia.
BACKGROUND:: It has been postulated that bacterial biofilms are involved in the pathogenesis of chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS). Biofilms present on sinus mucosa are difficult to eradicate with conventional antibiotic therapy and are thought to provide a nidus for recurrent infection. Topical delivery of antibiotics via nasal irrigation may present a way of delivering high concentrations of antibiofilm agents with potentially low systemic absorption and side effects. This study investigates the effectiveness of mupirocin and two other antibiotics, ciprofloxacin and vancomycin, on established in vitro biofilms of Staphylococcus aureus isolated from patients with CRS. METHODS:: S. aureus American Type Culture Collection 25923 and 12 clinical isolates were investigated for their ability to form biofilms in an in vitro setting using a 96 well microtiter crystal violet (CV) plate assay and confocal scanning laser microscopy (CSLM). Antimicrobial susceptibility tests to determine minimum inhibitory concentrations were performed on planktonic and biofilm forming strains. In addition, established biofilms were subjected to the antimicrobial agents at a twofold dilution series. A CV analysis of biofilm mass was performed after 1 and 24 hours of treatment, and minimum biofilm inhibition concentrations at 50% (MIB50) and 90% (MIB90) biofilm inhibition were recorded. RESULTS:: With use of a 96-well microtiter plate CV assay, 8 of the 12 clinical isolates formed mature biofilms after 8 days of culture. These results correlated with findings from CSLM analysis of in vitro biofilms grown on Permanox chamber slides. Increased antimicrobial resistance was observed in the biofilm isolates when compared with planktonic counterparts. Mupirocin was capable of reducing biofilm mass by greater than 90% at concentrations of 125 mug/mL or less in all S. aureus isolates. Ciprofloxacin and vancomycin were largely ineffective in attaining MIB90 concentrations within safe dosage ranges. CONCLUSIONS:: The topical application of mupirocin via nasal irrigation may be useful in eliminating S. aureus biofilms present on the sinus mucosa of patients with CRS and may offer an additional treatment to patients with recalcitrant sinusitis.
PMID: 18090864 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
> Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from > Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Judy judy.n - 16 Jan 2008 02:19 GMT Very interesting. I'll use bactroban (mupirocin) when things are threatening to flare, and it usually settles things down. I try to avoid overuse, as there are reports of resistant MRSA. Good article. Makes you wonder what makes the bactroban more effective in breaking up biofilms. Judy
> Another current reference. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > Judy truehawk - 16 Jan 2008 02:44 GMT > Very interesting. I'll use bactroban (mupirocin) when things are > threatening to flare, and it usually settles things down. I try to [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > > > Judy Worth a try. Mupirocin is derived from psudomondas. it seems to be effective against staph, but I don't know how effective it is against it's originator. If it is waste product it might still be effective. If it is a chemical warfare agent, then probably not.
Brae - 27 Jan 2008 23:40 GMT > > > > "judy.n" <judy.nudel...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > as I post this. > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView... I'm happy to report that a low dose macrolide is working -- infection free for six weeks, which is pretty good for me. I'm taking Azithromycin (Zithromax) 250 mg twice a week. My ENT, who had not heard of this therapy before, is trying one of his other chronic patients on this dose as well.
judy.n - 29 Jan 2008 12:54 GMT > > > > > "judy.n" <judy.nudel...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > heard of this therapy before, is trying one of his other chronic > patients on this dose as well. Brae, my ENT uses the azithromycin once or twice a week, and it has done quite well for my younger daughter. Glad to hear of an ENT willing to try something medical. Personally, the low dose biaxin has made a huge difference for me. Judy
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