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judy.n - 03 Nov 2007 21:28 GMT
Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from
Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and
clarithromycin as biofilm disrupters. Thinking of Elizabeth/TrueHawk
as I post this.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSear
ch=17415138&ordinalpos=11&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel
.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Judy
Susan - 03 Nov 2007 21:33 GMT
> Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from
> Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and
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>
> Judy

Thanks, Judy, and has anyone heard from Elizabeth?

Susan
judy.n - 03 Nov 2007 21:42 GMT
Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy
I copied the abstract:
1: Laryngoscope. 2007 Apr;117(4):668-73. Links
Biofilms in ear, nose, and throat infections: how important are they?

Vlastarakos PV, Nikolopoulos TP, Maragoudakis P, Tzagaroulakis A,
Ferekidis E.
ENT Department, Hippokrateion General Hospital of Athens, Athens,
Greece. pevlast@hotmail.com
BACKGROUND: Biofilms present a new challenging concept in sustaining
chronic, common antibiotic-resistant ear, nose, and throat (ENT)
infections. They are communities of sessile bacteria embedded in a
matrix of extracellular polymeric substances of their own synthesis
that adhere to a foreign body or a mucosal surface with impaired host
defense. The aim of this paper is to review the literature on ENT
diseases that can be attributed to biofilm formation and to discuss
options for future treatment. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Literature review
from Medline and database sources. Electronic links and related books
were also included. STUDY SELECTION: Controlled clinical trials,
animal models, ex vivo models, laboratory studies, retrospective
studies, and systematic reviews. DATA SYNTHESIS: Biofilm formation is
a dynamic five-step process guided by interbacterial communicating
systems. Bacteria in biofilms express different genes and have
markedly different phenotypes from their planktonic counterparts.
Detachment of cells, production of endotoxin, increased resistance to
the host immune system, and provision of a niche for the generation of
resistant organisms are biofilm processes that could initiate the
infection process. Effective prevention and management strategies
include interruption of quorum sensing, inhibition of related genes,
disruption of the protective extrapolymer matrix, macrolides
(clarithromycin and erythromycin), and mechanical debridement of the
biofilm-bearing tissues. With regard to medical indwelling devices,
surface treatment of fluoroplastic grommets and redesign of cochlear
implants could minimize initial microbial colonization. CONCLUSION: As
the role of biofilms in human infection becomes better defined, ENT
surgeons should be prepared to deal with their unique and tenacious
nature.
PMID: 17415138 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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> Susan
Susan - 03 Nov 2007 21:47 GMT
> Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy

Too bad, I hope she's okay.

I miss her posts, too.

Maybe she's having too good a time in Russia getting phaged?

Susan

> I copied the abstract:
> 1: Laryngoscope. 2007 Apr;117(4):668-73. Links
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>>Susan
Murray Grossan - 04 Nov 2007 23:31 GMT
On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article
1194122571.125629.44330@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy
> I copied the abstract:
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>> Susan

Good article . In one line of research they are using various frequencies to
inhibit the biofilm. In another various forms of surfactin are being added
to the irrigation solution. This was presented by the U of Penn group
recently. If you suspect biofilm ask your doctor about this.
Michael - 05 Nov 2007 09:57 GMT
> On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article
> 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
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> to the irrigation solution. This was presented by the U of Penn group
> recently. If you suspect biofilm ask your doctor about this.

"If you suspect biofilm"

What would be the symptoms that would suggest to a patient that this
possibility should be raised with one's doctor?

Michael
judy.n - 06 Nov 2007 12:47 GMT
Michael,
 Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic
sinusitis have all demonstrated biofilms. It's part of the reason why
antibiotics are only somewhat useful--they can't treat the matrix of a
biofilm. This article looked at ways to disrupt the biofilm.
 Biofilms may be the underlying reason why surgery fails--you open up
the sinuses to drainage, but they're lined with a film of bacteria
that is resistant to treatment.
 Biofilms form in cystic fibrosis, and a percentage of people with
chronic sinusitis have a minor mutation that is similar to cystic
fibrosis, where their mucous is thicker and more predisposed to
infection.
 So, I'd raise the issue of biofilm in most cases of chronic
sinusitis, especially those that haven't responded to surgeries and
usual therapies.
 Ellen said it was raised immediatedly at the U of M sinus center, by
her first MD. When Elizabeth posted, she raised the issue frequently.
 I've seen ENT journal articles that document it in otitis media and
tonsilitis--so any chronic ENT infection.
 Many ENT's don't seem to address it, so this article should help
open the dialogue.
Judy

> > On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article
> > 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"
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> Michael
Murray Grossan - 06 Nov 2007 15:49 GMT
On 11/6/07 4:47 AM, in article
1194353231.885221.239520@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> Michael,
>   Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic
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> open the dialogue.
> Judy

Well said.
jjfjksdf - 07 Nov 2007 01:48 GMT
> Michael,
>   Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic
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> open the dialogue.
> Judy

I have to say... (being around 15 years chronic at the time)  when I
went to UM, I asked about fungus causing a problem.   The ENT who
was clearly agitated with me said "I'm not going to test you for it,
I'm not going to treat you for it"  She then said "if you want something
to look up on the internet look up sampters triad because that what you
have".  (she never tested me for that either) She was totally uncaring
the whole time and I never went back. It's amazing how some of these
ENT's don't want to bother with helping you since there is no real cure.
Michael - 16 Nov 2007 05:35 GMT
> > Michael,
> >   Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic
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> the whole time and I never went back. It's amazing how some of these
> ENT's don't want to bother with helping you since there is no real cure.

Biofilms In Sinusitis --

The following provides 26 citations, with links to abstracts:-

http://www.biofilmsonline.com/cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/process?mv_session_id=LtnVQ
gdQ&mv_todo=refresh&mv_nextpage=master_search_process.html&form_fn=3327813553Hx0
xE2S5iCw0caMyNmrf7u45%2Ffor15bLEfVtz%2BKTCTB20XvkoT7qwi487bmA4U%2B5&form_page=ad
vancedsearch&master_form_revisit=1&master_search_criteria=sinusitis

judy.n - 16 Nov 2007 17:37 GMT
Thanks. Those are good and recent references.
Judy

> > > Michael,
> > >   Intractable infections: like tonsilitis, ear infections and chronic
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> http://www.biofilmsonline.com/cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/process?mv_sessi...
Murray Grossan - 06 Nov 2007 15:43 GMT
On 11/5/07 1:57 AM, in article
1194256668.678681.261230@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Michael"
<mfrpersonal@gmail.com> wrote:

> "If you suspect biofilm"
>
> What would be the symptoms that would suggest to a patient that this
> possibility should be raised with one's doctor?
>
> Michael
In patients who fail therapy or are reinfected frequently, biofilm can be a
factor and adding products that can assist their removal is a proper
approach.
Of course if the CT shows pansinusitis, that won't help.
Brae - 29 Nov 2007 18:45 GMT
> On 11/3/07 12:42 PM, in article
> 1194122571.125629.44...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "judy.n"

> > Susan, no word, I miss her posts. Judy
> > I copied the abstract:
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Dr. Grossan, can you post a link to that Univ. of Penn. study, if you
have it? I'd like to find out what sufactin they used. Also, someone
previously posted a recommended therapy of long-term "low dose"
macrolides like Biaxin. Since I'm going to be bringing this suggestion
to my ENT doctor, anyone know the dosage?
Susan - 29 Nov 2007 18:51 GMT
> Dr. Grossan, can you post a link to that Univ. of Penn. study, if you
> have it? I'd like to find out what sufactin they used.

It may've just been a poster presentation or oral, not a formal study yet.

 Also, someone
> previously posted a recommended therapy of long-term "low dose"
> macrolides like Biaxin. Since I'm going to be bringing this suggestion
> to my ENT doctor, anyone know the dosage?

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Cervin,A

Susan
judy.n - 03 Dec 2007 00:02 GMT
The dose is 250mg of biaxin a day. An alternative, that has no data,
but has worked clinically is azithromycin 250mg once or twice a week.
 I first heard about the macrolides from some studies from Japan,
where they have a problem with pseudomonas infections of the entire
respiratory tract: they reported benefit from erythromycin as EES as
400 or even 200mg a day. Cervin used erythromycin as 250mg twice a
day. The studies also used a macrolide that is unavailable in the US:
roxithromycin.
 Good luck. I find that the concept of low dose macrolides runs smack
into the drive to decrease antimicrobial resistance, but the studies
have reported that the low dose doesn't appear to create resistance,
and personally, it's been a lifesaver for me.
 Drug companies are working to develop macrolides with anti
inflammatory but no antimicrobial activity. They already have a
version of doxycycline for rosacea that has no antibiotic activity,
only anti inflammatory.
Judy

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> Susan
Brae - 06 Dec 2007 04:59 GMT
Thanks for the dosage.

Frankly, I can't see much difference between going off and on
antibiotics repeatedly and staying on a single antibiotic for 3
months, in terms of creating resistant bugs. The former is probably
worse.

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>   Good luck. I find that the concept of low dose macrolides runs smack
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Michael - 24 Dec 2007 01:29 GMT
> Thanks for the dosage.
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Airway biofilms: implications for pathogenesis and therapy of
respiratory tract infections.
Kobayashi H.

First Department of Internal Medicine, Kyorin University School of
Medicine, Shinkawa, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. hkobaya@kyorin-u.ac.jp
[Treat Respir Med. 2005;4(4):241-53.]

The differentiation of bacterial biofilms in the airway environment,
the pathogenesis of airway biofilm, and possible therapeutic methods
are discussed. Biofilm diseases that characteristically involve the
respiratory system include cystic fibrosis (CF), diffuse
panbronchiolitis (DPB), and bronchiectasia with Pseudomonas aeruginosa
(P. aeruginosa) infection. There is evidence to suggest that almost
all strains of P. aeruginosa have the genetic capacity to synthesize
alginate, a main matrix of biofilms, when ecological conditions are
unfavorable for their survival. The bacteria inside the mature biofilm
show increased resistance to both antibacterials and phagocytic cells,
express fewer virulence factors because of their stationary state of
growth, and are less stimulatory to the mucosa because of the
'sandwich binding'. These factors facilitate both the colonization of
bacteria and their extended survival even under unfavorable
conditions. Since the biofilm limits colonization to a latent form,
the clinical symptoms in this situation are unremarkable. However, the
clinical progression of both CF and DPB proceeds in two characteristic
directions. The first is an acute exacerbation caused by planktonic
bacteria that have germinated from the biofilm. The second is a slow
progression of disease that is induced by harmful immune reactions.
The harmful reactions are mediated by alginate, which induces antigen
antibody reactions around the airways, as well as formation of
circulating immune complexes that are deposited on lung tissue.
Furthermore, the highest titer of bacterial permeability increasing
anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic autoantibodies (BPI-ANCA) is observed in
association with highly impaired pulmonary function in patients with
CF and DPB, as well as in patients with a lengthy period of
colonization with P. aeruginosa. BPI-ANCA subsequently makes chronic
airway infection even more intractable. The long-term use of 14- or 15-
ring membered macrolides results in a favorable clinical outcome for
patients with DPB and in some patients with CF. In the last 10 years,
an increasing number of studies have reported secondary actions of
macrolides that include effects on both airway and phagocytic cells,
as well as an anti-biofilm activity. The 14- or 15-ring membered
macrolides inhibit: (i) the alginate production from P. aeruginosa;
(ii) the antibody reaction to alginate, which leads to a decrease in
the immune complex formation; and (iii) the activation of the
autoinducer 3-O-C12-homoserine lactone and subsequent expression of
lasI and rhlI in quorum sensing systems in P. aeruginosa. These anti-
biofilm actions of macrolides may represent their basic mechanisms of
action on airway biofilm disease.

PMID: 16086598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
judy.n - 24 Dec 2007 12:10 GMT
Thanks. Good reference. It was the panbrocholitis that got the
Japanese doing the research on low dose macrolides. I'm not sure why
it's  primarily Japanese issue.
Judy

> > Thanks for the dosage.
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> PMID: 16086598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
John R - 15 Jan 2008 20:08 GMT
Another current reference.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18090864?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn
trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


From the Department of Surgery-Otorhinolaryngology Head and Neck Surgery
(k.r.h., a.j.p., p.-j.w., l.w.t.), The University of Adelaide, Adelaide,
South Australia; and the Department of Microbiology (a.r.b.), The Queen
Elizabeth Hospital, Adelaide, South Australia.

BACKGROUND:: It has been postulated that bacterial biofilms are involved in
the pathogenesis of chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS). Biofilms present on sinus
mucosa are difficult to eradicate with conventional antibiotic therapy and
are thought to provide a nidus for recurrent infection. Topical delivery of
antibiotics via nasal irrigation may present a way of delivering high
concentrations of antibiofilm agents with potentially low systemic
absorption and side effects. This study investigates the effectiveness of
mupirocin and two other antibiotics, ciprofloxacin and vancomycin, on
established in vitro biofilms of Staphylococcus aureus isolated from
patients with CRS. METHODS:: S. aureus American Type Culture Collection
25923 and 12 clinical isolates were investigated for their ability to form
biofilms in an in vitro setting using a 96 well microtiter crystal violet
(CV) plate assay and confocal scanning laser microscopy (CSLM).
Antimicrobial susceptibility tests to determine minimum inhibitory
concentrations were performed on planktonic and biofilm forming strains. In
addition, established biofilms were subjected to the antimicrobial agents at
a twofold dilution series. A CV analysis of biofilm mass was performed after
1 and 24 hours of treatment, and minimum biofilm inhibition concentrations
at 50% (MIB50) and 90% (MIB90) biofilm inhibition were recorded. RESULTS::
With use of a 96-well microtiter plate CV assay, 8 of the 12 clinical
isolates formed mature biofilms after 8 days of culture. These results
correlated with findings from CSLM analysis of in vitro biofilms grown on
Permanox chamber slides. Increased antimicrobial resistance was observed in
the biofilm isolates when compared with planktonic counterparts. Mupirocin
was capable of reducing biofilm mass by greater than 90% at concentrations
of 125 mug/mL or less in all S. aureus isolates. Ciprofloxacin and
vancomycin were largely ineffective in attaining MIB90 concentrations within
safe dosage ranges. CONCLUSIONS:: The topical application of mupirocin via
nasal irrigation may be useful in eliminating S. aureus biofilms present on
the sinus mucosa of patients with CRS and may offer an additional treatment
to patients with recalcitrant sinusitis.

PMID: 18090864 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

> Doing a pubmed search on macrolides and sinusitis, and found this from
> Laryngoscope April 2007, and they mention erythromcyin and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Judy
judy.n - 16 Jan 2008 02:19 GMT
Very interesting. I'll use bactroban (mupirocin) when things are
threatening to flare, and it usually settles things down. I try to
avoid overuse, as there are reports of resistant MRSA. Good article.
 Makes you wonder what makes the bactroban more effective in breaking
up biofilms.
Judy

> Another current reference.
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> > Judy
truehawk - 16 Jan 2008 02:44 GMT
> Very interesting. I'll use bactroban (mupirocin) when things are
> threatening to flare, and it usually settles things down. I try to
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>
> > > Judy
Worth a try.
Mupirocin is derived from psudomondas. it seems to be effective
against staph, but I don't know how effective it is against it's
originator.  If it is waste product it might still be effective. If it
is a chemical warfare agent, then probably not.
Brae - 27 Jan 2008 23:40 GMT
> > > > "judy.n" <judy.nudel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> > > > as I post this.
> > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView...

I'm happy to report that a low dose macrolide is working -- infection
free for six weeks, which is pretty good for me. I'm taking
Azithromycin (Zithromax) 250 mg twice a week. My ENT, who had not
heard of this therapy before, is trying one of his other chronic
patients on this dose as well.
judy.n - 29 Jan 2008 12:54 GMT
> > > > > "judy.n" <judy.nudel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> heard of this therapy before, is trying one of his other chronic
> patients on this dose as well.

Brae, my ENT uses the azithromycin once or twice a week, and it has
done quite well for my younger daughter.
Glad to hear of an ENT willing to try something medical. Personally,
the low dose biaxin has made a huge difference for me.
Judy

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