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Fungus As The Cause Of Sinus Infections?
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powdernpaint77@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2007 03:23 GMT I haven't even taken one course of antibiotics and my doctor is suggesting surgery already. I do have some small polyps, but I would like to avoid sinus surgery. Are polyp removal and regular sinus surgery two different things? I have a chronic condition but my main symptoms are stuffiness, and some post nasal drip. I never had the pain or much pressure associated with sinus infections. I do need a dental implant and sinus lift so I need to resolve the infection. Otherwise the condition doesn't really bother me that much. A CAT scan showed very enlarged sinus cavities.
I've just read something that the Mayo clinic said that sinus infections that don't respond to antibiotics might be fungal in nature. Has anyone here resolved a chronic sinus infection by the use of a probiotic to reduce yeast in the body? I've made an appointment with an allergist. I hope they can test for yeast overgrowth. I do have a history of allergies.
Can someone recommend a good ENT sinus specialist in midtown east in Manhattan on the HIP plan that's more holistic, and not so pro surgery? Would really appreciate it. Thanks!
Steven L. - 11 Oct 2007 05:08 GMT > I've just read something that the Mayo clinic said that sinus > infections that don't respond to antibiotics might be fungal in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Manhattan on the HIP plan that's more holistic, and not so pro > surgery? Would really appreciate it. Thanks! Dr. Wellington Tichenor is THE sinus expert at 642 Park Avenue on the East Side of Manhattan. He is a big fan of the Mayo Clinic theory of Allergic Fungal Sinusitis, and he will test you for it and also treat you for it if necessary. (He's currently carrying out clinical trials with a Mayo medication.) He never seemed to be too keen on surgery either, so that ought to meet with your approval too.
Here's his website: http://www.sinuses.com/
I should warn you that Tichenor's state-of-the-art tests and treatments may not be reimbursed by your medical insurance.
Good luck.
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Susan - 11 Oct 2007 05:57 GMT > Dr. Wellington Tichenor is THE sinus expert at 642 Park Avenue on the > East Side of Manhattan. He is a big fan of the Mayo Clinic theory of > Allergic Fungal Sinusitis, and he will test you for it and also treat > you for it if necessary. (He's currently carrying out clinical trials > with a Mayo medication.) He never seemed to be too keen on surgery > either, so that ought to meet with your approval too. Nor is he a holistic doctor.
Susan
Steven L. - 12 Oct 2007 03:12 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nor is he a holistic doctor. This poster said he's on the HIP plan. That's an HMO. I would be surprised if there are a lot of truly holistic/alternative practitioners in the HIP network. HMOs tend to be pretty restrictive about alternative medicine. For good reason: alternative medicine tends not to be as well based on double-blind controlled studies. I wouldn't send somebody to a naturopath or an herbalist unless they had already been properly diagnosed by a mainstream practitioner first.
Dr. Tichenor seemed like a good compromise choice--a legitimate mainstream practitioner but one who isn't keen on surgery. Too bad even he is not in the HIP network.
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Susan - 13 Oct 2007 14:32 GMT > This poster said he's on the HIP plan. That's an HMO. I would be > surprised if there are a lot of truly holistic/alternative practitioners [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > somebody to a naturopath or an herbalist unless they had already been > properly diagnosed by a mainstream practitioner first. My HMOs in NY both have included alternative/integrative medicine. They just cover them with different limits than they do other, conventional docs. No requirement to see another doc before seeing an acupuncturist, naturopath or chiropractor in my plan, for instance.
> Dr. Tichenor seemed like a good compromise choice--a legitimate > mainstream practitioner but one who isn't keen on surgery. Too bad even > he is not in the HIP network. I just noted that the OP seemed to lean toward natural alternatives, and I don't believe Dr. Tichenor does.
Susan
AR - 11 Oct 2007 16:22 GMT > powdernpain...@gmail.com wrote: > > I've just read something that the Mayo clinic said that sinus [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net > Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Thanks for the info. I called his office and he's not on any insurance plan at all unfortunately. Would anyone else have a doctor on the HIP plan in the midtown Manhattan area, who is anti surgery, and who takes a more natural approach to treating this, and would look more towards allergy or fungus as a cause? Would really appreciate it as there's a whole list of docs on their provider listing.
Susan - 11 Oct 2007 16:31 GMT > Thanks for the info. I called his office and he's not on any insurance > plan at all unfortunately. Would anyone else have a doctor on the HIP > plan in the midtown Manhattan area, who is anti surgery, and who takes > a more natural approach to treating this, and would look more towards > allergy or fungus as a cause? Would really appreciate it as there's a > whole list of docs on their provider listing. I live in metro NY and wasn't able to find anyone like that. Perhaps Leo Galland, if he's still practicing in NYC?
Susan
Steven L. - 12 Oct 2007 03:16 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I live in metro NY and wasn't able to find anyone like that. > Perhaps Leo Galland, if he's still practicing in NYC? I can't endorse sending someone to a doctor like that until he's been to a reputable mainstream practitioner first. I've been through alternative medicine already. Those practitioners don't just avoid surgery; they also tend to avoid things like sinus CT scans and nasal endoscopies, usually because they're not qualified or board-certified in those areas. Instead they jump right in to prescribing alternative remedies of every description before taking advantage of the state-of-the-art in medical diagnosis to find out exactly what is wrong with the patient.
Alternative medicine can be a useful adjunct to mainstream medicine. But it should NOT be a substitute for mainstream medicine.
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rpautrey2 - 13 Oct 2007 03:43 GMT > > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Steven L. Steven, before I cured my chronic sinusitis I went to many ENT's, several general/internal medicine practitioners, and 2 state(AZ) licensed altrnative practitioners. Almost none of these visits resulted in imaging, I never had an endoscopy, and I never had a culture. Of the alternative physicians, one ordered an MRI which showed mastoiditis. The sinus imaging I received showed sinusitis sometimes and other times it didn't. The ND did prescribe medicine that made me feel better bud did not eliminate the sinusitis. The homeopath I went to ordered the MRI but her medicene did not benefit me. The medicenes and treatment(surgeries) I recieved from the MD's did very little or made me sick. When I finally learned how to drain my sinuses, on my own, I beat the chronic sinusitis. Paul
jjfjksdf - 13 Oct 2007 04:17 GMT >>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> Thanks for the info. I called his office and he's not on any insurance [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > did very little or made me sick. When I finally learned how to drain > my sinuses, on my own, I beat the chronic sinusitis. Paul So please share your secret! How do I drain my sinuses?
rpautrey2 - 20 Oct 2007 08:38 GMT > >>> x-no-archive: yes > >>>> Thanks for the info. I called his office and he's not on any insurance [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I will share my sinus drainage method/methods in the near future. Lately I have been very busy with not much time on the web. Give me a day or so and I will explain. It's relatively simple but a proper explanation requires depth. Paul
AR - 13 Oct 2007 04:45 GMT > > > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > did very little or made me sick. When I finally learned how to drain > my sinuses, on my own, I beat the chronic sinusitis. Paul Rpautrey2, can you please share what you did to clear your sinus problems. What exactly did you do, and what did it entail? Thanks much!
rpautrey2 - 20 Oct 2007 08:40 GMT > > > > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Give me a few days and I will explain. PA
Murray Grossan - 13 Oct 2007 07:41 GMT You should be very cautious about having an MRI in order to diagnose sinusitis. ENT doctors don't order MRI because it is a "soft tissue" visualization. Often the report is one of sinus disease but that is because any mucus or fluid shows up severely . At least once a month a patient is referred with an MRI diagnosis of sinusitis and the history and findings are negative. A serious problem is that insurance companies, having paid for the MRI are not going to pay again for a CT, which is what is needed to accurately dx sins disease. The exception is that we eo order an MRI of the sinus when we need help id diagnosing a fungal infection.
Ghamph - 13 Oct 2007 21:33 GMT > Steven, before I cured my chronic sinusitis I went to many ENT's, > several general/internal medicine practitioners, and 2 state(AZ) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > did very little or made me sick. When I finally learned how to drain > my sinuses, on my own, I beat the chronic sinusitis. Paul So Paul , I guess that your "secret" procedure to drain your sinuses is a secret that nobody but you knows and I must assume that it is a procedure that you're going to withhold from everybody that would like to know what exactly that procedure is.
Since most of us have tried tons of procedures with varying results and your procedure has cured your chronic sinusitis I think that most of us would think that you might be joking. Jamffer
rpautrey2 - 20 Oct 2007 08:43 GMT > > Steven, before I cured my chronic sinusitis I went to many ENT's, > > several general/internal medicine practitioners, and 2 state(AZ) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > think that you might be joking. > Jamffer Actually I discovered these methods by mistake but they really amount to common sense. Irritants!!! Give me a few days. The drainage procedures require some depth and an explanation of safety precautions. You don't wan a secondary infection! PA
rpautrey2 - 20 Oct 2007 10:04 GMT > > "rpautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > procedures require some depth and an explanation of safety > precautions. You don't want a secondary infection! PA > - Show quoted text -
I should have added a few other points to this post. You also don't want to spread infection in yourself (URI/LRI) or to others. IRRITANTS, VIOLENT SNEEZING, AND EXTREME SINUS DRAINAGE!!!, using cheap($0.01-$0.03), natural, harmless, improvised, and/or high tech methods. This is not a joke, hype, or delusions. This is over 30 years of constantly acquired knowledge and experience. I also had surgeries that did not benefit me, they harmed me. Paul
Neil Brooks - 20 Oct 2007 22:38 GMT >I should have added a few other points to this post. You also don't >want to spread infection in yourself (URI/LRI) or to others. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of constantly acquired knowledge and experience. I also had surgeries >that did not benefit me, they harmed me. Paul I'm in some really awkward limbo between
- fascination, anticipation, and anxiety, and
- falling asleep waiting for our next miracle cure
;-)
ellen - 21 Oct 2007 23:48 GMT > >I should have added a few other points to this post. You also don't > >want to spread infection in yourself (URI/LRI) or to others. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ;-) neil, thanks for the laugh :-)
rpautrey2 - 22 Oct 2007 06:47 GMT > >I should have added a few other points to this post. You also don't > >want to spread infection in yourself (URI/LRI) or to others. Paul
> I'm in some really awkward limbo between > > - fascination, anticipation, and anxiety, and > > - falling asleep waiting for our next miracle cure I have posted what may be your miracle cure. PA
rpautrey2 - 20 Dec 2007 21:03 GMT > I have posted what may be your miracle cure. PA The following methods are an effective treatment and cure for sinusitis/cold/flu & MCS. The following information is from a post I made in another group. The Q-tip method and electronic electrode placement instructions are at the bottom of this post. Paul
Re: Sinus Drainage Methods
I used a Beck blood electrifier(BE-thumper) with adjustable frequency control the first time I discovered the area I mentioned applying the q-tips to(Original Post Below). I do not use the BE in the intended manner and I built my own. I use 12 gauge silver wire electrodes with wetted cotton flannel sleeves. I used both 4hz and about 60hz (preferred-frequency where the optic nerve/eye quits flashing) and started with the lowest current setting working my way up to a tingling sensation. Apply the electrodes to the same area as the q- tips but instead of moving them around vigorously, find a sensitive area and leave them for 15-20 seconds before moving them again. Repeat this interval and/or move slowly around in the mentioned area. It may take up to 4-5 minutes to start a violent sneezing attack coupled with the drainage. Be prepared, I voided what tasted like a virus and it actually gave me slight cold/flu symptoms while performing this procedure. Keep on slowly stimulating the area until you quit sneezing. I had a violent sneezing attack that lasted about 4 minutes before it quit. The first time I probably voided about a 1/5 cup of salty virus tasting mucus and I got instant relief. I found doing it several times(2-3) daily was the best approach. It took about 2 weeks for the virus taste to go away and the mucus expelled was far less than at the beginning. I didn't have sinusitis again for several years and I didn't give it time to set in before attacking it. Two cautions: 1)The drainage may be contagious, so be careful(CS,GSE,H2O2);2)On a few occasions a small amount of blood would come out with the mucus but I never had a running nose bleed and I never worried about it.
Clean every thing you sneeze/sling mucus on. You will probably get your shirt wet with mucus. Be careful! Don't spread infection!!!
I have posted my favorite electronic method(BK) along with the Beck method on the Google sinusitis group under the subject, "Sinus Drainage Methods". This works much better, much faster, you don't need to use it as often or as long to get the job done, and you can't feel anything. I use a BK 4011A Function Generator(standard electronic test instrument) with the same electrodes and placement used with the Beck. The settings are: 315Khz and 320Khz(start with one frequency for 5 minutes then go to the other for same - be patient, sometimes you think it's not going to work and it takes you by suprise), -20db attenuation(down 20db output-very important), full positive DC offset, square wave, and full output level(but down 20db; if you don't do this the output is very uncomfortable).
This is probably more than you wanted to know. The BK can be ordered from electronics parts houses and probably costs about $350.00. You can get a Beck schematic off of the internet to build your own. Most parts can be bought at Radio Shack. You can also find new and complete Beck units($50.00-$100.00) on the internet. I made my own electrodes with 12 gauge silver wire and they are about 1.25 inches long. Use cotton cloth covers for the electrodes. I wet the electrodes with colloidal silver or distilled water. You can find silver wire on the internet.
Good Luck, Paul
> Paul, > Thanks for the info. What is the elecronic method you mentioned? > From: rpautrey2 > To: > Sent: > Subject: Re: Sinusitis/MCS (Sinus Drainage Methods)
> I made a mistake. I have posted these sinus drainage methods > in several groups but this is not one of them. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > drained infection into your throat, lungs, etc. Also clean anything > you sneezed on. Paul truehawk - 22 Dec 2007 05:47 GMT > > I have posted what may be your miracle cure. PA > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > drained infection into your throat, lungs, etc. Also clean anything > > you sneezed on. Paul What voltage? Sounds like a variant of Hulda Clark's zapper or a Rife machine. I have had pretty good results with a zapper, but I always wanted to try a frequency generator.
Oakfed - 22 Dec 2007 08:51 GMT >What voltage? >Sounds like a variant of Hulda Clark's zapper or a Rife machine. >I have had pretty good results with a zapper, but I always wanted to >try a frequency generator. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html
judy.n - 22 Dec 2007 14:00 GMT wonderful link: I hope the poster who persists in documenting his cure with the electrodes will read it. Judy
> >What voltage? > >Sounds like a variant of Hulda Clark's zapper or a Rife machine. > >I have had pretty good results with a zapper, but I always wanted to > >try a frequency generator. > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html neil0502@yahoo.com - 22 Dec 2007 17:24 GMT > wonderful link: I hope the poster who persists in documenting his cure > with the electrodes will read it. Incidentally, lest I appear to have come down dramatically too hard on "rpautrey2," the mere notion of Quackwatch gives me some pause.
It's one guy, right? Stephen Barrett, MD??
http://www.quackwatch.com/10Bio/bio.html
I'm reluctant to declare Dr. Barrett to be the "last word" on ... well ... anything.
I don't know, categorically, that what he says works, definitively works, nor that what he says does NOT work, definitively does NOT work.
There's no doubt in my mind that he personifies the viewpoint of conventional medicine. I just don't believe that vests in him medical omniscience or unimpeachable wisdom.
And ... that said ... I'll still say that I was interested in "rpautrey2's" message, but quite put off by the approach (others will bow before me as I have cured the plague of our times, blah, blah, blah).
Neil
Susan - 22 Dec 2007 18:11 GMT >>wonderful link: I hope the poster who persists in documenting his cure >>with the electrodes will read it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > bow before me as I have cured the plague of our times, blah, blah, > blah). Exactly.
And I think quackwatch is quackery, completely.
Susan
judy.n - 22 Dec 2007 18:42 GMT I've only just heard about it: so quackwatch isn't a good reference? Judy
> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Susan Susan - 22 Dec 2007 18:57 GMT > I've only just heard about it: so quackwatch isn't a good reference? Not in my opinion. He's an incredibly closeminded, one note jerk.
Susan
truehawk - 22 Dec 2007 23:44 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Susan Empirically the low frequency zapper (a few milliamps, a hundred hertz and 6 volts) does work to expell (great qualities of ) mucus. Just like hooking a frog's leg up to a battery and watching it kick, the electric jolts are said to cause diskinetic cilia to stroke in unison.
However just like the guy that says that he has found a molecule that causes disbursion of the biofilms of many different and mixed species, the plantonic bacteria released both ways are still alive in a swarm and have to be dealt with, so this really works best when adjunct antibiotics (which are much more effective when the bugs are out from under their armor) are used.
Also, obviously too much current and voltage would be a bad thing.
Steven L. - 14 Oct 2007 02:15 GMT >>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> Thanks for the info. I called his office and he's not on any insurance [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > resulted in imaging, I never had an endoscopy, and I never had a > culture. What country do you live in? Afghanistan? North Korea? :-)
I am amazed that you could see multiple ENTs for chronic sinusitis and not have at least one of them do even a simple X-ray, let alone a CT scan or endoscopy. Heck, a primary care physician I used to have, had me take an X-ray (at the lab across the street) just for a nasty bout of *acute* sinusitis I had once.
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Susan - 13 Oct 2007 14:34 GMT > I can't endorse sending someone to a doctor like that until he's been to > a reputable mainstream practitioner first. I didn't "send" him, I offered a name. Galland, in the past, was both.
I've been through
> alternative medicine already. Those practitioners don't just avoid > surgery; they also tend to avoid things like sinus CT scans and nasal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Alternative medicine can be a useful adjunct to mainstream medicine. But > it should NOT be a substitute for mainstream medicine. I offered the name of a fully certified M.D. who happened to be, a million years ago, the director of health services at the college I attended and who now has a NYC practice blending traditional and complementary medicine.
Susan
Steven L. - 14 Oct 2007 02:18 GMT > I offered the name of a fully certified M.D. who happened to be, a > million years ago, the director of health services at the college I > attended and who now has a NYC practice blending traditional and > complementary medicine. And I think that's a bad idea.
I maintain that alternative medicine, complementary medicine, etc., are unproven remedies and should not be tried until all mainstream approaches have been exhausted (and maybe not even then).
If mainstream medicine has given up on you, only THEN maybe you have nothing to lose by throwing the dice and taking a crap shoot on alternative medicine, complementary medicine, what have you.
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Susan - 14 Oct 2007 03:12 GMT > And I think that's a bad idea. Offering a name to someone who specifically asked for a holistic doc is a bad idea? So, lemme get this straight; anyone you mention has habits and policies above reproach?
> I maintain that alternative medicine, complementary medicine, etc., are > unproven remedies and should not be tried until all mainstream > approaches have been exhausted (and maybe not even then). I maintain that both have more quacks than good docs, but that the mainstream docs do more mindless damage and get to hide behind the veneer of respectability. There are plenty of well proven and safe alternative practices and well studies supplements and herbal medicines that are just as effective as pharamceuticals and safer.
> If mainstream medicine has given up on you, only THEN maybe you have > nothing to lose by throwing the dice and taking a crap shoot on > alternative medicine, complementary medicine, what have you. I think you are blind as to what constitutes alternative medicine and of how much damage conventional medical practice does. Iatrogenic disease is a huge problem in mainstream practice.
I avail myself of both, do my research before allowing anyone to prescribe any treatment of any kind, and make careful evaluations of provider skill based upon my research.
Susan
jjfjksdf - 14 Oct 2007 04:09 GMT > If mainstream medicine has given up on you, only THEN maybe you have > nothing to lose by throwing the dice and taking a crap shoot on > alternative medicine, complementary medicine, what have you. Hasn't mainstream medicine given up on chronic sinusitis? Those of us who are truly chronic... have had multiple surgeries... tried every antibiotic... for us... there is currently no hope. There is nothing that can be done. There is no cure.
Billy Boy - 15 Oct 2007 17:19 GMT Perhaps you should look into and research Probiotics. More and more scientists are saying now that your gut has more affect on your health, immune system and sinuses.
Take a look for your self.
Hope this helps.
>> If mainstream medicine has given up on you, only THEN maybe you have >> nothing to lose by throwing the dice and taking a crap shoot on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >every antibiotic... for us... there is currently no hope. There >is nothing that can be done. There is no cure. Billy Boy
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