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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / August 2007Probiotics Protect Nasal Passages from Harmful Bacteria
Probiotics Protect Nasal Passages from Harmful Bacteria Probiotics such as Lactobacillus GG, Bifidobacterium, and Lactobacillus acidophilus significantly reduce the amount of pathogenic bacteria that inhabit the nasal passages, according to a recent study. In an open, prospective trial, researchers randomly assigned 209 volunteers to two groups. One group of 108 subjects consumed a fermented milk drink fortified with probiotics such as Lactobacillus GG (found in VRP's Culturelle), Bifidobacterium (found in VRP's BioPro), and Lactobacillus acidophilus. Another group of 101 subjects consumed standard yogurt daily for 3 weeks. The researchers then analyzed nasal bacteria on days 1, 21, and 28 without knowing which subjects the samples originated from. The study authors discovered that there was a significant 19% reduction in the occurrence of nasal pathogenic bacteria in subjects who consumed the probiotic drink, but not in the group who consumed yogurt. The reduction occurred primarily in gram-positive bacteria, which decreased significantly. According to the researchers, 'The results indicate that regular intake of probiotics can reduce potentially pathogenic bacteria in the upper respiratory tract. The results also indicate a linkage of the lymphoid tissue between the gut and the upper respiratory tract.' 2 Reference: Gluck U, Gebbers JO. Ingested probiotics reduce nasal colonization with pathogenic bacteria (Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and beta-hemolytic streptococci). Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Feb;77(2):517-20. . Billy Boy To reply correct [at] and [dot] >Probiotics Protect Nasal Passages from Harmful Bacteria >Probiotics such as Lactobacillus GG, Bifidobacterium, and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >aureus, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and beta-hemolytic >streptococci). Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Feb;77(2):517-20. . Interesting. Ya' know ... if they keep heading in this direction, then the "freaks and kooks" who yelled ... for a few decades ... about intestinal flora imbalances, "leaky gut syndrome," and systemic yeast infections are going to look /awfully/ good ;-) Neil Taking probiotics, "inulin" [1], kefir, AND yogurt.... [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin > Interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin Hi Neil, I find that taking Nutraflora in addition to my probiotic (PB-8) really helps. Nutraflora is FOS, aka fructooligosaccharide, which is food for probiotics. I take 2 caps daily, one AM and one PM, and this quickly increases the numbers of good flora growing in your gut by maximizing the benefits of whatever probiotic you are taking or eating. Taking Nutraflora was what cured my wife's IBS symptoms when the Drs could not. AW http://tinyurl.com/2les2j >> Interesting. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >http://tinyurl.com/2les2j Good call ... and cheap, too. I'll probably have to find some more stuff ... just to make the merchandise cost as much as the shipping, but that shouldn't be too difficult ;-) Thank you kindly. "A tree grows up in my colon." Sounds like Off-off Broadway to me.... August. I found probiotic-4 on the site, but not PB-8, do you have a reference to it? I work with a GI doctor who is pushing probiotics for everyone after some really tough c. diff cases. I always try and figure out what brand they use. The Medical Letter just reviewed them, and recommended Activa, and wouldn't recommend a supplement as they said that one study found quality issues. I noticed the original article references two products: culturelle and probio. Any reliable probiotic references would be helpful. Re: the leaky gut reference--I test for celiac disease all the time now, and so many people don't have all the classic antibodies, but have the anti-gliadin which is essentially an antibody to gluten. Reportedly celiac is one in 100, and the classic presentation: weight loss, all the antibodies, positive small bowel biopsy is the rare case, an atypical presentation is considered the new norm. Yeah, we thought all the candida people were wrong... Judy > > Interesting. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/2les2j > August. I found probiotic-4 on the site, but not PB-8, do you have a > reference to it? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and probio. > Any reliable probiotic references would be helpful. Isn't s. boulardii the stuff you need for c. diff? Here're some test results, but you have to subscribe to get them all: http://www.consumerlab.com/results/probiotics.asp I've taken PB8 in the past, and a product called Yeast Avenger that was the most potent in an independent test years ago. > Re: the leaky gut reference--I test for celiac disease all the time > now, and so many people don't have all the classic antibodies, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yeah, we thought all the candida people were wrong... And that Cushing's was rare; now they're advocating screening of all type 2s for occult CS. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.consumerlab.com/results/probiotics.asp I use the Jarrow product. Susan > August. I found probiotic-4 on the site, but not PB-8, do you have a > reference to it? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Judy >> Hi Neil, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2les2j Hi Judy, I've been taking PB8 for about 15 years, usually only one cap daily (along with the Nutraflora) about 6AM assuming I am having no digestive problems. If I am having any type digestive issues I go up to 2 or 3 caps daily. Back in the day when we used to travel quite a bit we would go to Jamaica or Mexico and always bring a couple bottles. We'd take 2 caps several times daily and never get sick from eating the local food. We'd eat stuff that even the locals said might make you sick and never have a peep of traveler's revenge. This was the real life experience that showed me that this stuff really works plus it is not heat sensitive so it does not have to be refrigerated. They make a large size bottle that has 120 caps and lists for 25 bucks or so. This goes on sale twice a year for 15-17. for the large bottle and this is when I stock up. I believe the quotes given on this link are for the small bottle that has 60 caps. http://www.nextag.com/Lily-of-the-Desert-59490062/prices-html best, AW - who has been on Nystatin for candida for about twenty years now > best, AW - who has been on Nystatin for candida for about twenty years > now August, I hope that's the pills and not the sugary swish and swallow? I used to be on it all the time. I never get yeast any more, eating uber low carb. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Susan Hi Susan, I have RXs for both the .5MU pills and the pure powder which you mix with water. I am familiar with the swish and swallow packets but have never taken them except when in the hospital and thankfully that has been a while. Kinda defeats the purpose of mixing Nystatin in a sugary base doesn't it? It's been so long since I did the swish and swallow premixes that I do not remember if they were sweet or not. I used the pure powder mixed with water for years. It works the best but recently I have gotten a little lazy and just take the pills - especially since my candida is now not real bad as long as I keep my diet on track. AW > Hi Susan, I have RXs for both the .5MU pills and the pure powder which you > mix with water. I am familiar with the swish and swallow packets but have > never taken them except when in the hospital and thankfully that has been a > while. Kinda defeats the purpose of mixing Nystatin in a sugary base doesn't > it? Ya THINK?! It's been so long since I did the swish and swallow premixes that I do > not remember if they were sweet or not. I used to get them in suspension. Not only were they sugary, but unbelievably sweet. > I used the pure powder mixed with water for years. It works the best but > recently I have gotten a little lazy and just take the pills - especially > since my candida is now not real bad as long as I keep my diet on track. I guess I've been fortunate to have diet control it even when I take high dose abx, given my high cortisol. My bg average is higher than I'd like, but still lower than most folks, so I guess that helps. Susan Thanks for the info: the Vitamin Shoppe sells the big bottle for about $12. It's sort of sad, there are so many supplements on our kitchen counter, my daughter is embarrassed to have friends over: I take astralagus, beta glucan, ginger and the migraine supplements of CoQ10. magnesium, riboflavin, and fish oil--what's a couple more? The beta glucan came from a patient of my husband who had intractable sinusitis and was leary about the macrolides (we share the same ENT), and his daughter was an ENT at ?Stanford, and recommended it. It's expensive, but I can buy it through Emerson Ecologics at a reduced price: reportedly it stimulates immune function. It worked for the man who recommended it, and it seems to help. Judy > > August. I found probiotic-4 on the site, but not PB-8, do you have a > > reference to it? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > best, AW - who has been on Nystatin for candida for about twenty years > now > Thanks for the info: the Vitamin Shoppe sells the big bottle for about > $12. It's sort of sad, there are so many supplements on our kitchen > counter, my daughter is embarrassed to have friends over: I take > astralagus, beta glucan, ginger and the migraine supplements of CoQ10. > magnesium, riboflavin, and fish oil--what's a couple more? I take a lot more stuff than that! But I have it inside a kitchen cabinet and in a dresser drawer. No pill or vitamins on display allowed. Personal rule. Susan Makes sense: I got lazy, and they took over the counter. It's kind of like putting your medicine cabinet on display: actually that's exactly what it is. Judy > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan > best, AW - who has been on Nystatin for candida for about twenty > years now What are the symptoms of candida? Is there a blood test for the condition? On 8/15/07 6:58 AM, in article 0j16c310ajkknm1cspvpebopfjv1l1ceg2@4ax.com, > Probiotics Protect Nasal Passages from Harmful Bacteria > Probiotics such as Lactobacillus GG, Bifidobacterium, and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > To reply correct [at] and [dot] There is another study that the antibiotics alter the GI flora in the infants which may direct them to allergy reactivity. > ProbioticsProtect Nasal Passages from Harmful BacteriaProbioticssuch as Lactobacillus GG, Bifidobacterium, and > Lactobacillus acidophilus significantly reduce the amount of [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > To reply correct [at] and [dot] hi all, i guess everyone but me is on vacation, so i hope all is well. i know that this is an old thread (but a good one). i just have a general question. i take my probiotic in the morning after i eat. any commentary of before/with/after meals, etc? & is it ok to take other supplements with it. most specifically, i've just added a calcium/ vitD supplement. for what it's worth, i've been taking a vitC/ bromelain/quercetin supplement throughout the day & i think it is helping to mitigate my inflammatory response. thanks, ellen Hi Ellen, I take my probiotics first thing every morning on an empty stomach. I have read reports to take probiotics on empty stomach and other say take with food. Who knows what is right for each individual. Just experiment. I continue to take all other supplements and meds and see no problem. I also drink Kefir, a cultured milk drink that is a cousin to Yogurt, several times every day. I find that since starting probiotics my overall health has improved remarkably. Just about completely stopped sinus infections although, I am currently fighting a mild sinus infection after being around a person infected with bronchitis. This time no need for the antibiotics and symptoms very mild compared to before I started probiotics. I firmly believe probiotics are a miracle to lots of modern mans health problems. Take care. Bill >> ProbioticsProtect Nasal Passages from Harmful BacteriaProbioticssuch as Lactobacillus GG, Bifidobacterium, and >> Lactobacillus acidophilus significantly reduce the amount of [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >thanks, >ellen Billy Boy To reply correct [at] and [dot] > Hi Ellen, > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > To reply correct [at] and [dot] thanks for that info, bill. i'll try incoporating the kefir as well. for awhile, i stayed away from dairy but it doesn't seem to make my situation worse. hope the sinus infection is clearing up. ellen Ellen, One last comment. The crux of the matter about probiotics is that if your gut is damaged by lifestyle and what we consume, then no matter what you eat or take as meds or supplements will not be effective. If you can't digest and absorb the nutrients and meds then taking them is no help. You have to heal your gut and probiotics does that. So some googling and you will see what I'm saying. >> Hi Ellen, >> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >ellen Billy Boy To reply correct [at] and [dot]
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