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Sinus Problems for 25 years

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Tobro - 17 Jun 2007 10:53 GMT
Hi All,

I will spare you my life history except to say that I have had four
surgeries.  I am allergic to 140+ allergens on the screening panel
that they use.  I have been to an infectious disease specialist due to
the fact that I can't beat these infections.  I was told that I would
HAVE to beat them on my own due to the fact that I am no longer
receiving benefit from oral antibiotics.  They said that the only
options that I had left were IV based.

What I need to know is:

1.  What can you do to thin out the mucus in the nose.  I might have a
chance to beat some of these infections except for the fact that the
junk that is in there is literally glue!  I have tried meds, but they
screw with me and make me feel jittery and have an odd heartbeat.

2.  I used to use a syringe-like device to squirt a homemade saline
solution in my nose, but now I use a waterpik.  Is there a custom
mixture that anyone uses that can thin things out or help to prevent
re-infection.  I heard once about a vinegar solution.

3.  Do I have to sterilize the water that I am using for irrigation?

4.  When I take a shower I can get a LOT of the junk out of my nose.
I attribute this to the steam and humidity.  Does anyone know of a
device that you could wear, kind of like an oxygen tube that fits over
the nose while you sleep and provides you with moist air?  A huge
percentage of my problem is that overnight that crap up there gets so
packed and sticky that it literally takes 30 minutes in a steamy
shower to get it all out of there.

These are just a few questions of many, but I am not sure about the
forum rules.  :)

Thanks in advance for any advice!
neil0502@yahoo.com - 17 Jun 2007 14:54 GMT
First, have you read the Frequently Asked Questions?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.sinusitis/browse_frm/thread/c3caa67f2
8384c39/a0ae705f451fb18c#a0ae705f451fb18c


OR: http://tinyurl.com/2cw2nb

It's a treasure trove of info--including direct info on the questions
you asked.

Second, have you tried some pretty basic allergy/sinus stuff like
removing carpet and fabrics from your bedroom (hardwood floors) and
using both an air cleaner and a humidifier (keep it clean) for
nighttime?

Good luck!
Tobro - 20 Jun 2007 04:01 GMT
On Jun 17, 8:54 am, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> First, have you read the Frequently Asked Questions?
>
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>
> Good luck!

Thank you very much!  Sorry about not reading the FAQ.  First group I
have ever posted to.  :)  I have tried the air cleaner and humidifier,
but I can't currently afford the hardwood floors.
Steven L. - 17 Jun 2007 19:05 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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> junk that is in there is literally glue!  I have tried meds, but they
> screw with me and make me feel jittery and have an odd heartbeat.

Are you adequately hydrated?  Check the color of your urine.  It should
be clear or pale yellow.  If it's deep yellow, then you're not drinking
enough fluid.

What is the average humidity level where you live?  Air has to have
sufficient moisture for the cilia in your nose to work.

What is the pollution level where you live?  The website
www.scorecard.org gives the pollution levels for each Zip code, from the
EPA's own monitoring stations.  Pollution will cause nasal inflammation,
slowing down the cilia and thickening the mucus.

> 2.  I used to use a syringe-like device to squirt a homemade saline
> solution in my nose, but now I use a waterpik.  Is there a custom
> mixture that anyone uses that can thin things out or help to prevent
> re-infection.  I heard once about a vinegar solution.

Some folks swear by Alkalol (NOT to be confused with alcohol!), a brand
of mucus thinner.  You can google to find out where to order it.

> 3.  Do I have to sterilize the water that I am using for irrigation?

Depends on the water quality where you live.  If it's good quality city
water or bottled water, then no.  If it's well water, then yes.

> 4.  When I take a shower I can get a LOT of the junk out of my nose.
> I attribute this to the steam and humidity.  Does anyone know of a
> device that you could wear, kind of like an oxygen tube that fits over
> the nose while you sleep and provides you with moist air?

Wouldn't it be easier to move to a seacoast town or beach community and
live there?  Moist and less polluted too.

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Terry Raymond - 18 Jun 2007 00:35 GMT
"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in news:3Kedi.5271
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>> 3.  Do I have to sterilize the water that I am using for irrigation?
>
> Depends on the water quality where you live.  If it's good quality city
> water or bottled water, then no.  If it's well water, then yes.

Why do you think well water is unsafe for irrigation?

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Johnny1000@webtv.net - 18 Jun 2007 17:02 GMT
traymond@nospam.com (Terry Raymond) wrote:

>Why do you think well water is unsafe for
> irrigation?

My water comes from a well. ...It is tested regularly by Provincial
Health Inspectors.  It is pathogen free.  ...Ironically, the local
municipal water system is under a "boil water" advisory. ...And another
sub dvision just South of us has arsenic levels that excede the
Provincial Health guidlines.  ...However... They bend the rules -- so
people are drinking it anyway-- unaware.

I think Steve is referring to the old Darby O'Gill styled "wishing"
well, where you lower the bucket down on a winch, to get your water.
..I don't think I would use this water for irrigation.  ...Jon
Tobro - 20 Jun 2007 04:14 GMT
> > Hi All,
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Steven!!

I am adequately hydrated.  I drink close to 100 oz. a day.  (Two 50+
oz. Smartwaters)
I live in Wichita, KS and the humidity is high, 80% a.m. and 57% p.m.
I just checked the pollution data and it says that we are among the
worst 10% in the nation.  :(
As for moving to the beach community, that would be great but the only
sea that I will be in is the sea of wheat that surrounds me on all
sides.

Thanks again for your advice!!
truehawk - 20 Jun 2007 05:30 GMT
> > > Hi All,
>
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>
> Thanks again for your advice!!

Tobro;
A comfortable surgical mask will keep your own moisture in and your
nasal passages warm and moist during the night.
A lot of the bacteria, achrea, and fungi that are found in biofilms in
the sinuses are dimorphic species that
can't form filaments above about 85 degrees F.
Allowing Vitiman C and MSM,  to melt in your mouth will dislodge some
of the goo and allow you to
sniff it out the back way and spit it out to open an airway.
It is also worth it to hunt down some Zagarese licorice. Hold that in
the back of your throat and you can feel the goo
pull loose and spit it out.
Tobro - 20 Jun 2007 18:18 GMT
> Tobro;
> A comfortable surgical mask will keep your own moisture in and your
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Truehawk,

I am going to try the mask tonight.  That makes a lot of sense.  I am
trying to picture how the Vitamin C and MSM work.  By simply letting
it disolve, how does that loosen the mucus in my nasal cavities?  When
you say to hold the licorice in the back of your throat, how?  It is
in a stick form?  I am a visual learner!  :)  Thank you though.  I am
getting a lot of good ideas!
truehawk - 20 Jun 2007 23:48 GMT
> > Tobro;
> > A comfortable surgical mask will keep your own moisture in and your
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> in a stick form?  I am a visual learner!  :)  Thank you though.  I am
> getting a lot of good ideas!

Tobro:

First, a lot of what goes in your mouth gets into your sinuses, in
bulk or by diffusion. Remember shooting milk out your nose
when someone tells a very funny joke when you are trying to swallow?
A lot of sinus problems are caused by a thick mucus layer blocking the
main drain down the back of your throat.
Do a search on "osteomeatal complex" and "nasal valve" and
"adenoids".
One senerio evidently evolves something like this:
Apparently we all start out with a set of lympth tissue up where the
airpath bends downward to join the windpipe and esophagus.
This tissue is called the adenoids and can harbor all kinds of
bacteria. The adenoids are also supposed to be gone by 13 or so, but
if they are inflamed or inhabited that seems not to happen. Anyway,
the biofilm in the adenoids creeps a bit farward everytime a virus
kills the cilia and goblet cells in your nasal epithiealium, without
being much noticed or causing much more than post nasal drip until it
gets to the constriction, the narrow place, the nasal valve.  When it
gets to the nasal valve, there is not much room.  It plugs airpath the
drainage from you frontal and maxilary sinuses, and those fill up with
your mucus and bacterially produced goo.
When this happens, you can most easily open an airpath from behind.
Vitiman C and MSM and licorice cause the adherent goo in the back of
your throat to at least partly liquify so that you can sniff and spit
it out. This goo from about 2 to  30% solids it swells as it hydrates
and detaches like a sponge , once you have gotten to the point where
it has obstructed your breathing, there are layers and layers there,
and getting it off is like removing 30 coats of old paint, one at a
time.
You can't blow this stuff out the front you have to sniff it out the
back frist.
Soak Soak Sniff Sniff Spit Spit, Blow. repeat repeat repeat.  Clear
the main drain.
If you do that you can finally at least establish an airpath that will
stay open long enough to let you get some sleep, irrigate to wash more
goo out and get medicine in , and tackle most tasks of daily life
without having to breath through your mouth.
judy.n - 23 Jun 2007 19:19 GMT
Living near the ocean, in high humidity which encourages dust mite and
mold spores is no perfect solution. There are plenty of allergens here
in the "Ocean State": and plenty of people with chronic sinusitis.
Judy

> > > Hi All,
>
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>
> Thanks again for your advice!!
ellen - 24 Jun 2007 03:15 GMT
> Living near the ocean, in high humidity which encourages dust mite and
> mold spores is no perfect solution. There are plenty of allergens here
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>
> > Thanks again for your advice!!

re:  living near the water.  hhhhmmm.  i'm kind of stuck in michigan
right now, but was contemplating moving out of our highly polluted
little city nestled between 2 major highways & flanked by major
industrial polluters & the amazing detroit incinerator.

but we've been looking at neighborhoods that are 1 -2 miles west of a
large lake. is that a huge mistake with a mold allergy?  we are
limited by finances & work parameters in our search for a cleaner
place to live.

ellen

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