On 6/12/07 4:33 AM, in article
kofi-F363F6.06302512062007@news.east.earthlink.net, "Kofi" <kofi@anon.un>
wrote:
> Based partly on research highlighted in newsgroups, I'm beginning a
> course of self-administered intramuscular Vitamin D3 shots (aka "Stross"
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> Have I missed anything?
High doses of Vitamin D are extemely dangerous. I have assisted at post
mortems due to these.
Susan - 12 Jun 2007 19:54 GMT
> High doses of Vitamin D are extemely dangerous. I have assisted at post
> mortems due to these.
What are you calling a high dose that's caused mortality in your experience?
Well informed Vit. D. researchers think that 10.000 iu per day is safe
to recommend as the upper dose limit.
Susan
> My last D3 reading about two years ago was 22, which the lab
> incompetently reported as only borderline low-normal. I realize now
> that 75 is normal and many of my symptoms pertaining to autoimmunity and
> deficient innate immunity relate directly to inadequate D3 levels. I've
> tried oral and sublingual D3 but I simply can't get enough that way.
Did you have to twist your doctors arm to get that test done, or was
he compliant? I have a physical coming up and I'd like to get my
vitamin D levels checked as well.
Dave
Susan - 12 Jun 2007 22:12 GMT
>>My last D3 reading about two years ago was 22, which the lab
>>incompetently reported as only borderline low-normal. I realize now
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> Dave
Just ask for 25(OH)D. It's not a big deal.
Susan
Kofi - 13 Jun 2007 03:23 GMT
> > My last D3 reading about two years ago was 22, which the lab
> > incompetently reported as only borderline low-normal. I realize now
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> Dave
I didn't have to twist his arm. He knows low vitamin D3 is associated
with autoimmunity.
swabymanor@googlemail.com - 13 Jun 2007 22:20 GMT
> > My last D3 reading about two years ago was 22, which the lab
> > incompetently reported as only borderline low-normal. I realize now
> > that 75 is normal and many of my symptoms pertaining to autoimmunity and
> > deficient innate immunity relate directly to inadequate D3 levels. I've
> > tried oral and sublingual D3 but I simply can't get enough that way.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=17218096
Circulating Vitamin D3 and 25-hydroxyvitamin D in Humans: An Important
Tool to Define Adequate Nutritional Vitamin D Status explains why a
level of 100nmol/L is the minimum you should consider acceptable.
125nmol/L is the level at which you attain peak muscular performance
so really is the optimal goal. It's true that 75nmol/L is normal but
that is under the level at which physical harm is caused and is simply
a reflection of the fact that most people DON'T get sufficient Vitamin
d because the RDA is a sick joke and the TUL is totally insane, Now we
know the body actually uses 4000iu/d who but a total idiot would think
2000iu toxic? How can it be logical that you can safely give a baby
2000iu but give an adult 2001iu and you are putting him in danger.
It's a nonsense and the only reason it remains is because the
authorities put the profit status of big Pharma above the needs of the
sick.
Janice - 13 Jun 2007 23:54 GMT
The only nonsense is your understanding of the RDA.
>> > My last D3 reading about two years ago was 22, which the lab
>> > incompetently reported as only borderline low-normal. I realize
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> the
> sick.
tedhutchinson - 23 Jun 2007 19:51 GMT
> The only nonsense is your understanding of the RDA.
Typical Recommended daily amounts are
Infants 0-6 months 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Infants 7-12 months 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Children 1-3 years 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Children 4-8 years 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Children 9-13 years 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Adolescents 14-18 years 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Adults 19-50 years 5 mcg (200 IU) 5 mcg (200 IU)
Adults 51-70 years 10 mcg (400 IU) 10 mcg (400 IU)
Adults 71 years and older 15 mcg (600 IU) 15 mcg (600 IU)
Pregnancy all ages - 5 mcg (200 IU)
Breastfeeding all ages - 5 mcg (200 IU)
If you care to read The urgent need to recommend an intake of vitamin
D that is effective
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/85/3/649
You will see that most Vitamin D researchers agree with me that the
current RDA is a sick joke.
Janice - 26 Jun 2007 03:57 GMT
The "Reccomended Daily Allowance" is clearly defined as the minimum
amount necessary to sustain life without disease. Any fool should be
able to figure out it takes much more to "cure" anything or correct an
imbalance. Even Chrissy will know that, when he isn't trying to show
off.
>> The only nonsense is your understanding of the RDA.
>>
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> You will see that most Vitamin D researchers agree with me that the
> current RDA is a sick joke.
Stick with the tanning machine.
> Based partly on research highlighted in newsgroups, I'm beginning a
> course of self-administered intramuscular Vitamin D3 shots (aka
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> Have I missed anything?
Beez - 13 Jun 2007 01:10 GMT
> Stick with the tanning machine.
I was just considering that solution! Does it really work for vitamin
D production?
Dave
Janice - 13 Jun 2007 03:50 GMT
YES! and stats are beginning to show that people tanning sensibly are
lowering their cancer stats by 73% for prostate cancer and 65% ?? for
breast cancer.
>> Stick with the tanning machine.
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> Dave
judy.n - 13 Jun 2007 13:35 GMT
There's good information on the vitamin D Council site:
http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/
Based on their work: I've started to test most patients, and take
1000IIU of D3 orally in the months that I don't get sun: Im at around
40 degrees latitude, so that is from around October-April. I've had
patients respond dramatically to the oral Vit D. Also, due to family
history of prostate Ca, my husband takes it daily.
I'm not sure why you'd need a shot: oral replacement should be
adequate.
Judy
> YES! and stats are beginning to show that people tanning sensibly are
> lowering their cancer stats by 73% for prostate cancer and 65% ?? for
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> > Dave
Debs - 13 Jun 2007 16:43 GMT
When mine gets low, tested by one of my Drs, I am prescribed 50,000IU
capsules that I take once a week for eight weeks, then I am re-tested.
Debs
> There's good information on the vitamin D Council site:
> http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/
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>>>Dave
tedhutchinson - 23 Jun 2007 19:55 GMT
> When mine gets low, tested by one of my Drs, I am prescribed 50,000IU
> capsules that I take once a week for eight weeks, then I am re-tested.
You may find your doctor is prescribing the least effective, most
expensive form of Vitamin D
Look on the label and if it says D2 ERGOCALCIFEROL don't get any more
on prescription buy D3 Cholcecalciferol over the counter or from one
of those listed on the links page of The Vitamin D Council website.
The case against ergocalciferol (vitamin D2) as a vitamin supplement
sets out the reasons.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/694
What's the fluoride content of the water in your area
Also are you eating foods that are high in fluoride content (potatoes,
rice & seafood, onions, tea are all naturally high in fluoride)
Fluoride in too high of quantities in the diet will cause excessive
acidity in the gut (fluoride binds with hydrogen to form hydrofluoric
acid, nasty stuff, eats holes in the gut)
problem with the stuff when you eat foods that are naturally high in
it is, lots of the fluoride in the food tends to stay in the gut after
it passes through the stomach, why this is bad is, as it passes
through the gut it binds to hydrogen, creating HF (hydrofluoric acid),
that stuff ends up dropping the pH of the intestine way too much &
will actually cause ulceration because of acid burns
The immune system then ends up responding with an inflammatory
response, next thing you know you are being diagnosed with crohn's or
ulcerative colitis
Easy ways to remove fluoride from foods that I've been using for a
while now
Baking soda dissolved in purified (fluoride removed) water (room temp
water) forms carbonic acid, pH ~ 6.4
Carbonic acid is excellent at causing fluoride in foods to unbind &
grab up a carbon or hydrogen or sodium cation from the carbonic acid
the trick is to soak the food in the carbonic acid solution for a
while, then shake the food off well, then use an acid to neutralize
the leftover solution off the food
there is risk at using baking soda dissolved in water, baking soda in
water is carbonic acid, but when cooked at high temps the carbonic
acid bubbles off carbon dioxide molecule from the carbonic acid, why
this is bad is what is left of the baking soda at that point then is
sodium, hydrogen & an oxygen molecule, or NaOH, which if you know your
chemistry is sodium hydroxide, aka LYE (forget the acid burn, now
you've got a caustic soda burn lol)
so if you cook the food processed this way, it is good to neutralize
the potential lye that could develop in the food you soak, very
simply, by using lemon or lime juice in the water you cook the food
with (or added to the food when you cook it)
Rule of thumb is, 1/4th teaspoon baking soda will neutralize with
1/4th a lemon or lime
I use a pressure cooker for all my cooking
Interesting test to see how much fluoride is in potatoes:
I peel, then quarter slice lengthwise a potato, then dice in slices ~
1/4th inch thick, put the slices in to a pot of 2 cups purified water,
with 1/4th teaspoon baking soda dissolved in it, let sit for a couple
hours
then in pressure cooker I use a steam tray in the cooker (stands about
3 inches above bottom of cooker), with tray in cooker I pour in the
carbonic acid/potato slices on top of the steam tray, the liquid falls
through tray to bottom of cooker, arrange potato slices on tray, bring
to boiling temp, cover & lock the pressure cooker top, when it comes
to pressure drop temp to medium-low (maintains the pressure), cook for
6 minutes, quickly cool cooker in pot of cold tap water, remove steam
tray...
at this point take a look at the color of the water in the pot: what
you will see is water that is now almost chocolate brown - this varies
in color, fluorine gas is yellow-brown in color, the ionic form,
fluoride, is the same color, but the reaction from the carbonic acid
becoming lye in the pressure cooker at this point causes lots of the
fluoride in the potatoes to leach out & bind to the carbons in the
carbonic acid - (also hydrogens bind as well as sodiums, NaF used to
be used for rat poison as well as early toothpaste additive), anyway I
digress... various shades of yellowish brown looking solution should
exist in the bottom of the pressure cooker by this point of cooking,
varying from chocolate brown to beer yellow-brown, etc in color
so next step is to pour this poison out of the cooker, wash it down
the drain, then rinse cooker out with fresh tap water, shake out
excess water, then place on stove again, bring to high temp with lid
off for a minute to evaporate water, measure out 2 cups purified water
to add to cooker again, then add the peeled sliced lemon or lime to
the water, place steam tray with potatoes on it in cooker again, bring
to high temp, to boil, cover, lock top, cook again at temp for another
6 minutes, cool again in pot of cold tap water, at this point the
cooking is done, the potatoes have effectively been washed of 90+ % of
the fluoride they contained
So try tasting the potatoes at this point, the amazing thing is they
taste delicious & will cause no problems in the GI tract after
processing them this way
obtw, in the acid base reaction some sodium is retained in the baking
soda to lye conversion in the cooker, since an acid base reaction
occurs with the citric acid mixing in the cooker with the hydroxide
solution, the byproducts of the reaction are salt & water typically,
so I add about 1/8th teaspoon of 'lite' salt (really potassium salt,
but they mean lite in sodium, oh well), but the lower sodium content
of the lite salt plus the chloride in the salt will help the sodium
from the baking soda form complete sodium chloride salts, which give
the potatoes a little more flavor along with the citric acid taste,
makes the potatoes taste really good :-)
Anyway, the point of this exercise is to see the amazing amount of
fluoride in a single large Russet potato
don't think just because the potato you are about to eat looks white
or slightly yellow that it is safe; chances are it contains a large
amount of fluoride it picked up from growing in the soil
If you eat that fluoride you take the risk of burning holes in your
gut from the fluoride forming in to very nasty acids in the gut as the
food traverses the colon :-(
anyway, something to think about, fluoride tends to bind with all the
metals very efficiently, will cause thyroid & zinc deficiencies in the
body in a person who eats too much of it in the diet, will deplete
magnesium, calcium, etc from the body, cause thyroid problems, etc etc
Nasty stuff, consider it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride
Good luck to you
-jay
>Based partly on research highlighted in newsgroups, I'm beginning a
>course of self-administered intramuscular Vitamin D3 shots (aka "Stross"
>or depot therapy). I plan to start out at 100,000 I.U. once every two
>months and after a few months, if necessary, move to more frequent shots
>- perhaps as often as once a month - until I achieve the kind dramatic
>improvement in my health I get from standing in the sun 3+ hours.