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Shoddy material used in Grossan irrigation unit
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rdrm65@gmail.com - 09 May 2007 13:57 GMT I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a great deal of force in trying to remove it.
This needs a better design. It should have some sort of release switch for the tip attachment, like Waterpik uses. At the very least, a strong plastic should be used.
What good is it to have a solid machine with essential attachments that aren't made to last more than a few months? I am sick of buying things that are mostly well-made, but have some fatal flaw that renders them entirely useless.
Yes, I can go through the hassle of returning it. That will mean temporarily doing without irrigation during this time of year when, at any moment, the allergens that are especially a problem for me may hit the extreme level.
Susan - 09 May 2007 14:58 GMT > I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this > morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > any moment, the allergens that are especially a problem for me may hit > the extreme level. I had the same experience with the first tip I used. In addition, the rest of the unit is shoddily made, with the moving half of the lid no longer staying on, and the tubing impossible to keep dry or to replace.
If yours is under a year old, you may very well be able to get warranty replacement before you send it back, why not ask them?
Susan
Ghamph - 09 May 2007 20:53 GMT It's one good reason that no major drug chain stores sell any Grossan products. Jamffer
> I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this > morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > any moment, the allergens that are especially a problem for me may hit > the extreme level. Terry Raymond - 09 May 2007 22:56 GMT rdrm65@gmail.com wrote in news:1178715465.563161.22480 @e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this > morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > any moment, the allergens that are especially a problem for me may hit > the extreme level. After mine stopped working I bought a waterpik and modified one of the tips so it would work with the grossan soft rubber tip.
All you need to do is cut the tip back to make the hole larger.
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Steven L. - 10 May 2007 04:09 GMT > I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this > morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a > great deal of force in trying to remove it. I find that it's best to twiddle the thing back and forth as you remove it.
My problem with the irrigator isn't shoddy workmanship--replacement tips aren't expensive--but the virtual impossibility of keeping the irrigator clean and germ-free. There are far too many crevices and holes into which moisture and germs can get in, holes that are difficult to clean out. There's definitely a musty smell coming from the electrical cord compartment in my irrigator which is redolent of mold growth.
And the hose and wand do not detach so they can't be replaced if they get microbial growth inside them.
These sorts of microbial growths aren't as critical for a Waterpik you use to spray your mouth, as they are for an instrument you are using to spray into your sinuses.
Compare the Grossan irrigator to the endoscope for ENT uses: That instrument stays entirely immersed in disinfectant solution until it is used by the ENT. That's how the Grossan irrigator wand and hose should be maintained as well.
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neil0502@yahoo.com - 10 May 2007 15:26 GMT > My problem with the irrigator isn't shoddy workmanship--replacement tips > aren't expensive--but the virtual impossibility of keeping the irrigator > clean and germ-free. [snip]
Who's using a newer version of the WaterPik instead, then? I'm in the market (on squeeze bottle right now). Our old WaterPik died last July--the /day/ we were going to pack it away as we left for Europe.
ISTM that the WaterPik is pulsatile, too, no? Keeping it clean was not a problem.
BTW: I, too, simply modified the Grossan tip to fit the /old/ WaterPik. I understand the newer models are likely to work more readily.
Neil Day 7 of Augmentin About month 3 of Amoxicillin Still no clue on the CT (5/22) May be getting better, but ... wow! ... exhausted :-(
truehawk - 10 May 2007 19:21 GMT On May 10, 10:26 am, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > My problem with the irrigator isn't shoddy workmanship--replacement tips > > aren't expensive--but the virtual impossibility of keeping the irrigator [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Still no clue on the CT (5/22) > May be getting better, but ... wow! ... exhausted :-( Neil: Amox is good if you have sepsis, and probably will keep a biofilm from getting started, but but is useless against a chronic sinusitis biofilm. Augmentin is not much better. Amoxicillin and amoxicillin-clavulanate (augmentin), don't work well for CS because the bugs just are in goo and arn't deviding fast enough to be vulnerable to it.
These antiboitcs and their kind, have a place, but they are the source of the reviews that chronic sinusitis can not be managed medically.
neil0502@yahoo.com - 11 May 2007 03:20 GMT > Amox is good if you have sepsis, and probably will keep a biofilm from > getting started, but but is useless against a chronic sinusitis [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > These antiboitcs and their kind, have a place, but they are the source > of the reviews that chronic sinusitis can not be managed medically. Thanks, Elizabeth.
My f/u with Davidson is on the 22nd. Once he tells me where I stand, structurally, I'll ask him about adding an antifungal back to the regimen--at least for a while.
That is ... until the phages come marching in to Tijuana ;-)
truehawk - 11 May 2007 04:56 GMT On May 10, 10:20 pm, neil0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Amox is good if you have sepsis, and probably will keep a biofilm from > > getting started, but but is useless against a chronic sinusitis [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > That is ... until the phages come marching in to Tijuana ;-) Oh when the phage comes marching in , when the phage comes marchin' in O Lord how I want to be in that num....BER. When the phage comes marching in.
Right there with you brother. However I called them and they said that Trinadad was going to approve phages because they have so may cases of diabetic wounds that they want to use it on, but Mexico is not sure that they want the foreign phages on their soil. To this I replied that I was sure that Mexico probably has an abundence of phages of it's own. That they should just set up a lab in Mexico. But the people with the skill to filter the phages out of the polluted water where their buggy prey is abundent, and seperate them from micorparticuilate trash and try them against target cultures of the bad bugs of the patient, and when they find one that is a bug killer, to make sure that it is lysic and not incorporative, that skill to make them reliable and safe evidently resides with people who have no interest in setting up shop in Mexico. So theraputic phages in Mexico will probably have to languish unitl some sufficently powerful member in the government approval chain needs them. Meanwhile to Trinadad Mon!
Rick B. - 10 May 2007 05:08 GMT >I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this >morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >any moment, the allergens that are especially a problem for me may hit >the extreme level. Sorry to hear about your troubles with the Grossnan. Some posts I had a few months ago talked about my ordering one of them and getting a tip from an ENT. The ENT's was a little more, but made so much better, using some sort of material almost equal in strength to steel. I just don't recall the distributor. If you can't get a replacement, I'll try to find a pic of one on the internet. That thing is never going to break.
judy.n - 11 May 2007 22:15 GMT We posted about alternative tips a while back: I remember ethicon (?) and another tip, they were made of some new age plastic and steel. Judy Personally, I think any tubing that stays wet is likely to form a biofilm--is that right, Elizabeth? Judy
> >I've only had my Grossan sinus irrigation for a few months and this > >morning the tip attachment just snapped right off. I was not using a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I'll try to find a pic of one on the internet. That thing is never > going to break. Susan - 11 May 2007 22:23 GMT > We posted about alternative tips a while back: I remember ethicon (?) > and another tip, they were made of some new age plastic and steel. > Judy Close, but it's ethicare.com. :-)
Susan
truehawk - 12 May 2007 00:13 GMT Yeah, tubing that stays wet will eventually find homesteaders. Interestingly there anctiomycetes that will grow in the betadine solution that used to be used to disinfect orthoscopes. Run a bit of food coloring though your unit, where the color appears to stick and won't rinse off you have a biofilm. Blue scope or Crest Mouthwash will also tint the bugs.
I now use a solution of vinegar and 3% peroxide for a few minutes to disinfect veggies that I am going to juice or eat raw. There appears to be only so much catylese the bugs can produce before they are overwhelmed by the peroxide, and the vinegar appears to cause the goo to be less elastic and easier for the goo to bubble off. I have filled the waterpik with that solution on occasion and run the pump until the tube was full and then left it like that for 10 minutes or so, then flushed it out with water because I don't know what kind of rubber they use in the pump. THIS IS TO CLEAN THE UNIT. NOT YOUR NOSE. Your nose won't melt or anything, but it would hurt and you would not be using it for breathing for a while, so don't forget to flush it out.
By the way, anyone else ever try using celery juice in a squeeze bottle? I don't have any studies but it's kind of nice.
judy.n - 12 May 2007 13:41 GMT Two responses: Thanks Susan; Here's the ethicare site http://www.ethicare.com/prodinfo.html Also, the national allergy supply catalogue has a rhinotip that fits lots of waterpik and other irrigator units.
A question: why celery juice? My ENT told me that patients have used carrot juice, and coffee-and he actually tried them to see what it felt like. Judy
> Yeah, tubing that stays wet will eventually find homesteaders. > Interestingly there anctiomycetes that will grow in the betadine [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > By the way, anyone else ever try using celery juice in a squeeze > bottle? I don't have any studies but it's kind of nice. truehawk - 12 May 2007 23:07 GMT > Two responses: Thanks Susan; > Here's the ethicare sitehttp://www.ethicare.com/prodinfo.html [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't have axcess to any of my usual lab tools right now, but in one of my medicineless periods I figured that plants that grow in damp cool places have evolved some defenses against fungi, or they would just cease to exist. Anyway i tried celery and found that if I eat a stalk, it is capable of stopping my heartburn in it's tracks. Tasty and lots of fiber too.
My hypothesis, since one rarely sees mold on celery, is that it is likely it contains a salacidic acid varient, and prehaps even a furon, anyway it seems to dehydrate and go limp rather than turn to mush, so it apparently contains it's own antimicrobial. So I thought I would try celery juice in an irrigation solution so I wash it carefully with Dawn, rinse, and then cut it into 1/4 inch slices and soak a few minutes in 3% peroxide and 4% acidic acid. (vinegar), (just because I don't want to introduce something from the celery feild that does not bother the celery but might bother me into my nose,) then I rinse with boiled water and blend it into pulp adding a couple of ozs of boiled water, and strain through a tea strainer, then pour it into a sterilized squeeze bottle. Spray 5 or 6 times in each nostril and wait a few minutes to blow you nose. Blow and repeat.
Somehow I don't see douple blind placebo controled trials being done on celery juice, but like I said, it is nice., if you have gotten the vinegar and preroxide off it seems to premote detachment of the bugs without the burning of mint or cinnimon. if the vinegar and peroxide make it into the mix, the solution burns raw tissue a bit, but the trace makes it more agressive.
I recently read that the Egyptions used celery and the Indians used coleus (forskohlii), that purple plant that gran used to grow in shady borders.
I am still looking for some garlic mustard plants if anyone runs across them. Any plant that is capable of killing the pretty much all the fungus in a forest exudes some pretty powerful antifungals indeed.
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