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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / April 2007Is it safe to use?
Have any of you heard of the product "Sinus Cleanser?" It was developed by Dr. Patrick Quillin. I saw him on TV promoting the product and that he developed it to cure his own sinus problem. I was curious if anyone has used this product or heard of it? I would like to know if it's safe to use? It contains homeopathic anti-fungal of wild indigo (baptisia tinctoria), oregano, grapefruit seed extract, colloidal silver, in an isotonic solution of salt water, buffered for pH. The website is www.sinuscleanser.com if you want to read about it. I certainly don't want to make my sinus problem worse. Thanks, Paul On 4/22/07 10:38 AM, in article 1177263521.008002.263300@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "lawloope@aim.com" > Have any of you heard of the product "Sinus Cleanser?" It was > developed by Dr. Patrick Quillin. I saw him on TV promoting the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Paul Would someone please explain Argyrosis to this writer. Murray Grossan <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote in news:C250F4E4.7F87% hydromed@adelphia.net: > On 4/22/07 10:38 AM, in article > 1177263521.008002.263300@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "lawloope@aim.com" [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > Would someone please explain Argyrosis to this writer. It seems to me that the primary point, which seems to have been missed by everyone, is that the use of sinus cleanser is topical whereas most, if not all, of the accounts of argyosis are with ingested silver. Additionally, I would not expect someone to use Sinus Cleanser every day for more than say six months. How is this not like using topical Gentamicin?  SignatureTerry =========================================================== Terry Raymond Crafted Smalltalk 80 Lazywood Ln. Tiverton, RI 02878 (401) 624-4517 traymond at craftedsmalltalk nospam dot com <http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com> =========================================================== > Murray Grossan <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote in news:C250F4E4.7F87% > hydromed@adelphia.net: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > than say six months. How is this not like using topical > Gentamicin? The Cleveland Clinic has stopped using topical Gentamicin because they found that small amounts were being absorbed thru the nose into the bloodstream, causing systemic symptoms in a few patients. This shouldn't surprise anyone. The blood vessels in the nose are thin and close to the surface. That's why you can get high by snorting cocaine powder, which is also "topical." SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > The Cleveland Clinic has stopped using topical Gentamicin because they > found that small amounts were being absorbed thru the nose into the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and close to the surface. That's why you can get high by snorting > cocaine powder, which is also "topical." It's also why even minute doses of nasal steroids cause HPA suppression, suppress immunity and cause steroid tachyphylaxis. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's also why even minute doses of nasal steroids cause HPA suppression, > suppress immunity and cause steroid tachyphylaxis. However, most of these drugs will eventually be eliminated from the body once you stop taking them. Silver--any amount of silver--will not. It's one of the few substances that our bodies cannot excrete. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > However, most of these drugs will eventually be eliminated from the body > once you stop taking them. But not necessarily the damage to your HPA. > Silver--any amount of silver--will not. It's one of the few substances > that our bodies cannot excrete. Yet it has been used safely, and still is, for decades in some applications. All drugs have an upside and a downside. Use of silver does not invevitably lead to toxic buildup any more than use of Vancomycin inevitably leads to deafness, kidney failure, etc. Tradeoffs, they all have bad effects, just different ones. The safest thing is to not get sick and need treatment. Susan On 4/25/07 12:11 PM, in article wJNXh.5218$j63.1381@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: > It seems to me that the primary point, which seems to >> have been missed by everyone, is that the use of sinus >> cleanser is topical whereas most, if not all, of the accounts >> of argyosis are with ingested silver Who on earth ingests silver??? No, the argyrosis today are from nasal application. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a treatment for it. > Who on earth ingests silver??? No, the argyrosis today are from nasal > application. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a treatment for it. Where do you get your information, Murray? A lot of people ingest colloidal silver. Susan > Have any of you heard of the product "Sinus Cleanser?" It was > developed by Dr. Patrick Quillin. I saw him on TV promoting the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pH. The website is www.sinuscleanser.com if you want to read about > it. I certainly don't want to make my sinus problem worse. Colloidal silver is irreversibly toxic to the human body. This stuff should NOT be taken, and it should NOT be sold. Google for "colloidal silver" AND "argyria" SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > Have any of you heard of the product "Sinus Cleanser?" It was > developed by Dr. Patrick Quillin. I saw him on TV promoting the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Paul The use of colloidal silver, as other posters have noted, is very dangerous. From Quackwatch's website: In October 1996, the FDA proposed to ban the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products [11]. A Final Rule banning such use was issued on August 17, 1999 and became effective September 16th. The rule applies to any nonprescription colloidal silver or silver salt product claimed to be effective in preventing or treating any disease [12]. Silver products can still be sold as "dietary supplements" provided that no health claims are made for them. During 2000, the FDA issued warnings to more than 20 companies whose Web sites were making illegal therapeutic claims for colloidal silver products See the link below for the full article: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html > <lawlo...@aim.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html O Bollocks It takes quite some time for cronic silver nitrate use to turn you blue. Collodial silver is NOT silver nitrate and most does not even have enough silver content to be of concern. Nano-Fine collodial silver IS an antimicrobial but the quality of the stuff out there varies WIDELY. The biggest risk is quite likely to your wallet, rather than getting anything too strong. You would just have to try the product to see if it is effective. Please report back if you do. Elizabeth On 4/22/07 9:26 PM, in article 1177302385.521090.75380@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" >> <lawlo...@aim.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Elizabeth Certain reactions to medications are unfortunate - nausea, diarrhea, etc but all are transitory and treatable. Even many metal poisonings are treatable. But argyrosis is NOT treatable and the results are completely life altering. No one wants to take that kind of a risk. Thanks everyone for your reply. Considering the body cannot get rid of silver, I will not chance using this product. Paul > Thanks everyone for your reply. Considering the body cannot get rid > of silver, I will not chance using this product. > > Paul But, how will you be able to report the results to truehawk? > On 4/22/07 9:26 PM, in article > 1177302385.521090.75...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Guys: Again Bollox. What about silverdine, the creme that is used on burns? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra ctPlus&list_uids=17199764&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum "Some confusion persists over the measurement of toxicity and antibacterial activity but all dressings provide an antibacterial action, involving several methods of delivery. Nanocrystalline technology appears to give the highest, sustained release of silver to a wound without clear risk of toxicity." A ton of silverdine was used on me 54 years ago, and on my son 21 years ago. Silver treatment of wounds is not new and we are not blue, but then we did not chronicly swallow silver nitrate either. Also if silver poisioning is a concern look up what EDTA is used for. I know any number of people who swear by collodial silver that they make themselves with some kind of little spark generators and a couple of silver anodes. They are all reasoably healthy, as in they did not have the same problem with sinusitis as I. I tried several brands, but the one that I tried first did not do anything, then several years later I tried another Solverign Silver or some such that worked very well. After that I bought several more pints, one bottle worked, and one did not. I called the manufacture to bitch. It all looks like water, and only the stuff with an extreamly small partical size evidently works. > On 4/22/07 9:26 PM, in article > 1177302385.521090.75380@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > But argyrosis is NOT treatable and the results are completely life altering. > No one wants to take that kind of a risk. Not unless you're auditioning for the part of an Andorian on Star Trek. :-) SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. > <lawlo...@aim.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html in desperation a fews ago, i started seeing a physician who also had anthroposophical training. for the sinus problems he gave me something made by wala (germany) called silicea comp. it was pillules & i expected nothing from the treatment. strangely, it changed the manifestations of the problem. with a trigger (ie, storm approaching), the symptoms were much more acute/severe but passed quickly with no lingering chronic issues. the doctor moved & i didn't pursue this remedy though it greatly improved my health status. had been thinking about searching it out again until reading these posts. though the amounts administered are so small, in keeping with homeopathy, its ingredients were silver nitrate, quartz, & belladonna. never knew why it would work - definitely not the placebo effect because i had no faith or belief that it would ( though all these years i've kept expecting that conventional treatments would work & no luck). >> <lawlo...@aim.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > these years i've kept expecting that conventional treatments would > work & no luck). I didn't say it wouldn't work. I said that silver is toxic to the human body. All that silver you consumed is still inside your body because human physiology doesn't include a mechanism to excrete silver. Silver poisoning may be more glamorous than lead poisoning but it's still poisoning. Fortunately, most "homeopathic" preparations contain active ingredients in extremely diluted form, so the tiny bit of silver that's inside your body now should pose no significant problems. But I wouldn't make a habit out of taking it. SignatureSteven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. |
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