Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / April 2007
laryngitis, ear infection, sinusitis
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cptn b - 22 Apr 2007 16:10 GMT I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the normal course of things. Over a year ago I contracted an ear infection which I attribute to swimming. It was very difficult to treat, but the symptoms eventually at least went into hiding. Not long after this I found myself with laryngitis, at first slight and now quite severe. I also have sore throat, mucus in throat, runny nose, and an occasional ear ache. Sound like sinusitis?
So far nothing seems to help the laryngitis. I have taken antihistamines and have also now begun to try saline irrigation. The latter, at this point practised only with a cup, seems to help clear up things in the nose and area but to make things worse in the larynx and environs, particularly in making my breathing sound a bit like a maniac symphony orchestra tuning up. Of course I am hoping the negative effect is only because I am just starting with the technique.
I would be happy for any comment on this and am particularly curious to find out if an ear infection could be the cause of the situation.
Steven L. - 22 Apr 2007 17:28 GMT > I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the > normal course of things. Over a year ago I contracted an ear [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So far nothing seems to help the laryngitis. I have taken > antihistamines and have also now begun to try saline irrigation. You need to consult a physician.
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truehawk - 23 Apr 2007 14:26 GMT > I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the > normal course of things. Over a year ago I contracted an ear [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I would be happy for any comment on this and am particularly curious > to find out if an ear infection could be the cause of the situation. Sounds like you probably have a lingering infection. the anatomy of the area is extreamly complex, so if the infection is in one place it is called one thing and if it is a half inch away it is a different ".......itis", but it is an infection just the same. I used to dive quite a bit when I lived in Hawaii, and it was not so great for my sinuses. This stuff can move into your spine, so try to find a doctor who will take getting rid of it seriously.
go to http://www.Pubmed.gov. Search on pubmed for "biofilm sinusitis", "osteomyelitis sinusitis", "macrolides for sinusitis", and "itraconazole for sinusitis". To clear up everything you are going probably going to need at least a month of a macrolide like azithromycian, or clarimycian, an antifungal like Sporanox (itraconazole, and a sulpha drug like Bactrium. If you are back of beyond and can't get meds locally, medsmex.com carries real quality meds, but their delivery time sucks, it is two to three weeks. Meanwhile you can get some relief by adding some Vitiman C, a bit of vinegar and coconut oil to you irrigation solution. The Vitiman C and vinegar help break up the biofilm, and the coconut oil is soothing and has caprylic acid that the fungi can't handle. Prepared yellow mustard is also good, it contains turmeric as well as mustard and is anti-microbial and antifungal. It was developed in the middle ages as a wound dressing and it works. Adding a spoonful of mustard to your irrigation solution and gargle can help.
Murray Grossan - 23 Apr 2007 22:42 GMT On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article 1177334808.979510.222630@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk"
>> I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the >> normal course of things. Over a year ago I contracted an ear [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Adding a spoonful of mustard to your irrigation solution and gargle > can help. You really must get a diagnosis here. If this is cancer of the larynx it can be treated successfully in the early stages. Sinusitis and diving has nothing to do with it. First get a diagnosis and them concern yourself with remedies if it is a simple thing.
truehawk - 23 Apr 2007 23:53 GMT > On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article > 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Cancer of the larynx presents with a runny nose and ear aches?
I guess ruleing out cancer IS one thing those three pages of blood test printouts are good for.
But lets face it, if he does not have cancer, going to the doctor does not assure a correct diagnosis or timely treatment. It is a crap shoot and the deck is stacked against us and will remain stacked that way until the importance of biofilms and the prevelence in false negative cultures becomes common knowledge and the paradigm shift really takes hold. Another 2 years anyway..
I wandered around for years without a correct diagnosis or effective treatment, even though I had hospital test results, my own test results, and photographs of what I had. I even brought a microscope and stain kit to the doctors office, one time with success and one time security was called.
cptn b - 24 Apr 2007 13:06 GMT > > On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article > > 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > - Show quoted text - First of all many thanks for some interesting information and perspectives.
I realize that I need to add a bit of information: I have had some medical attention in reference to this problem. A CAT scan showed negative, a swab of the throat was negative for bacteria, an examination of my thyroid showed normal (I forgot to mention earlier that there is slight swelling visable on my neck in front of the larynx) and some routine blood tests were within normal range. An ENT doctor examined my larynx using a small camera, declared it swollen, and diagnosed "chronic laryngitis." I will seek more medical attention when my geographical position allows but feel a bit of self-schooling is in order at this time.
truehawk - 24 Apr 2007 21:08 GMT > > > On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article > > > 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk" [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Have them check you thyroid.
When I was in Hawaii I contracted a virus that attacked my thyroid. I had a sore throat and felt really off, but they could not figure out why. Then they checked my level of thyroxin and it was through the roof.
They gave me radio active iodine, which would have killed my thyroid but my thyroid did not take up any of it, it had already shut down. Seems that the thyroid is a bunch of little gland-lets all bunched together like a bunch of grapes and somehow they figured out that I had been attacked by a virus that ruptured the outermost ones releasing all the thyroxin they contained at one time.
I did 4 months of beta blockers and then my thyroxin stablized at a normal level. The docs at the University of Hawaii thought that I would need thyroxin for life. They insisted on checking my thyroid function every month for about 15 months. They were pretty bemused, because no one had had radioactive iodine and resumed normal thyroid function before. and no one had reported what they said had to be a thyroid virus before. And Life finds a way.
Murray Grossan - 25 Apr 2007 16:31 GMT On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article 1177416369.262522.83650@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b" <svojala@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> But lets face it, if he does not have cancer, going to the doctor does >> not assure a correct diagnosis >> or timely treatment. It is a crap shoot and the deck is stacked >> against us and will remain stacked that way until the importance of >> biofilms and the prevelence in false negative cultures becomes common >> knowledge and the paradigm The writer says he has had increasing laryngitis that is quite severe. Before you worry about biofilm or major basic protein or post nasal drip you need to have someone take a look and if necessary do a biopsy. There are a hundred possible causes of laryngitis, but for the sake of the patient, first you rule out the life threatening possibilities before you launch into "going to a doctor does not" Discouraging a person from seeking care for such a major illness does not help the patient.
rick@spamgmail.com - 26 Apr 2007 00:42 GMT >On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article >1177416369.262522.83650@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >"going to a doctor does not" Discouraging a person from seeking care for >such a major illness does not help the patient. I gotta go with Murray on this one.
truehawk - 26 Apr 2007 14:04 GMT > On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article > 1177416369.262522.83...@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "going to a doctor does not" Discouraging a person from seeking care for > such a major illness does not help the patient. Did you read his post? He has already been to an ENT, had a CAT scan ETC.
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