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laryngitis, ear infection, sinusitis

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cptn b - 22 Apr 2007 16:10 GMT
I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the
normal course of things. Over a year ago I  contracted an ear
infection which I attribute to swimming. It was very difficult to
treat, but the symptoms eventually at least went into hiding. Not long
after this I found myself with laryngitis, at first slight and now
quite severe. I also have sore throat, mucus in throat, runny nose,
and an occasional ear ache. Sound like sinusitis?

So far nothing seems to help the laryngitis. I have taken
antihistamines and have also now begun to try saline  irrigation. The
latter, at this point practised only with a cup, seems to help clear
up things in the nose and area but to make things worse in the larynx
and environs, particularly in making my breathing sound a bit like a
maniac symphony orchestra tuning up. Of course I am hoping the
negative effect is only because I am just starting with the technique.

I would be happy for any comment on this and am particularly curious
to find out if an ear infection could be the cause of the situation.
Steven L. - 22 Apr 2007 17:28 GMT
> I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the
> normal course of things. Over a year ago I  contracted an ear
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> So far nothing seems to help the laryngitis. I have taken
> antihistamines and have also now begun to try saline  irrigation.

You need to consult a physician.

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truehawk - 23 Apr 2007 14:26 GMT
> I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the
> normal course of things. Over a year ago I  contracted an ear
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> I would be happy for any comment on this and am particularly curious
> to find out if an ear infection could be the cause of the situation.

Sounds like you probably have a lingering infection. the anatomy of
the area is extreamly complex, so if the infection is in one place it
is called one
thing and if it is a half inch away it is a different ".......itis",
but it is an infection just the same.
I used to dive quite a bit when I lived in Hawaii, and it was not so
great for my sinuses.
This stuff can move into your spine, so try to find a doctor who will
take getting rid of it seriously.

go to http://www.Pubmed.gov.
Search on  pubmed for "biofilm sinusitis", "osteomyelitis sinusitis",
"macrolides for sinusitis",  and "itraconazole for sinusitis".
To clear up everything you are going probably going to need at least a
month of a macrolide like azithromycian, or clarimycian, an antifungal
like Sporanox (itraconazole, and a sulpha drug like Bactrium.
If you are back of beyond and can't get meds locally, medsmex.com
carries real quality meds, but their delivery time sucks, it is two to
three weeks.
Meanwhile you can get some relief by adding some Vitiman C, a bit of
vinegar and coconut oil to you  irrigation solution.
The Vitiman C and vinegar help break up the biofilm, and the coconut
oil is soothing and has caprylic acid that the fungi
can't handle.  Prepared yellow mustard is also good, it contains
turmeric as well as mustard and is anti-microbial and antifungal.
It was developed in the middle ages as a wound dressing and it works.
Adding a spoonful of mustard to your irrigation solution and gargle
can help.
Murray Grossan - 23 Apr 2007 22:42 GMT
On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article
1177334808.979510.222630@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk"

>> I live on the ocean in the tropics and scuba dive quite a bit in the
>> normal course of things. Over a year ago I  contracted an ear
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> Adding a spoonful of mustard to your irrigation solution and gargle
> can help.

You really must get a diagnosis here. If this is cancer of the larynx it can
be treated successfully in the early stages. Sinusitis and diving has
nothing to do with it. First get a diagnosis and them concern yourself with
remedies if it is a simple thing.
truehawk - 23 Apr 2007 23:53 GMT
> On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article
> 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk"
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Cancer of the larynx presents with a runny nose and ear aches?

I guess ruleing out cancer IS one thing those three pages of blood
test printouts are good for.

But lets face it, if he does not have cancer, going to the doctor does
not assure a correct diagnosis
or timely treatment.  It is a crap shoot and the deck is stacked
against us and will remain stacked that way until the importance of
biofilms and the prevelence in false negative cultures becomes common
knowledge and the paradigm
shift really takes hold. Another 2 years anyway..

I  wandered around for years without a correct diagnosis or effective
treatment, even though I had hospital test results, my own test
results, and photographs of what I had.
I even brought a microscope and stain kit to the doctors office, one
time with success and one time security was called.
cptn b - 24 Apr 2007 13:06 GMT
> > On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article
> > 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk"
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First of all many thanks for some interesting information and
perspectives.

I realize that I need to add a bit of information: I have had some
medical attention in reference to this problem. A CAT scan showed
negative, a swab of the throat was negative for bacteria, an
examination of my thyroid showed normal (I forgot to mention earlier
that there is slight swelling visable on my neck in front of the
larynx) and some routine blood tests were within normal range. An ENT
doctor examined my larynx using a small camera, declared it swollen,
and diagnosed "chronic laryngitis." I will seek more medical attention
when my geographical position allows but feel a bit of self-schooling
is in order at this time.
truehawk - 24 Apr 2007 21:08 GMT
> > > On 4/23/07 6:26 AM, in article
> > > 1177334808.979510.222...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "truehawk"
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Have them check you thyroid.

When I was in Hawaii I contracted a virus that attacked my thyroid.
I had a sore throat and felt really off, but they could not figure out
why.
Then they checked my level of thyroxin and it was through the roof.

They gave me radio active iodine, which would have killed my thyroid
but my thyroid did not
take up any of it, it had already shut down.
Seems that the thyroid is a bunch of little gland-lets all bunched
together like a bunch of grapes
and somehow they figured out that I had been attacked by a virus that
ruptured the outermost ones
releasing all the thyroxin they contained at one time.

I did 4 months of beta blockers and then my thyroxin stablized at a
normal level.
The docs at the University of Hawaii thought that I would need
thyroxin for life.
They insisted on checking my thyroid function every month for about 15
months.
They were pretty bemused, because no one had had radioactive iodine
and resumed normal thyroid function before.
and no one had reported what they said had to be a thyroid virus
before.
And Life finds a way.
Murray Grossan - 25 Apr 2007 16:31 GMT
On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article
1177416369.262522.83650@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b"
<svojala@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>  But lets face it, if he does not have cancer, going to the doctor does
>> not assure a correct diagnosis
>> or timely treatment.  It is a crap shoot and the deck is stacked
>> against us and will remain stacked that way until the importance of
>> biofilms and the prevelence in false negative cultures becomes common
>> knowledge and the paradigm

The writer says he has had increasing laryngitis that is quite severe.
Before you worry about biofilm or major basic protein or post nasal drip you
need to have someone take a look and if necessary do a biopsy. There are a
hundred possible causes of laryngitis, but for the sake of the patient,
first you rule out the life threatening possibilities before you launch into
"going to a doctor does not"  Discouraging a person from seeking care for
such a major illness does not help the patient.
rick@spamgmail.com - 26 Apr 2007 00:42 GMT
>On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article
>1177416369.262522.83650@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b"
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>"going to a doctor does not"  Discouraging a person from seeking care for
>such a major illness does not help the patient.

I gotta go with Murray on this one.
truehawk - 26 Apr 2007 14:04 GMT
> On 4/24/07 5:06 AM, in article
> 1177416369.262522.83...@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "cptn b"
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> "going to a doctor does not"  Discouraging a person from seeking care for
> such a major illness does not help the patient.

Did you read his post?
He has already been to an ENT, had a CAT scan ETC.

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