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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / April 2007

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Cautery and Empty Nose Syndrome

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Stosh30 - 15 Apr 2007 23:00 GMT
Hello Everyone,

I'm meeting with an ENT specialist (my third) on Tuesday to discuss
surgery for my chronically swollen inferior turbinates. I saw him a
couple of weeks ago and he confirmed via nasal endoscopy and CT scan
that I need the surgery and could also use a straightening of my
septum, even though it isn't terribly crooked. The main symptoms I am
dealing with is the inability to breathe through my nose and
congestion. Rhinocort Aqua and Sudafed has done little to help, as my
turbinates just seem to swell up a little more with each passing day
and block off most of the airway in my nasal passages.

The ENT said that he thinks outfracture with submucous cautery would
be the best procedure for me. I asked about submucous resection and he
thinks that isn't the way to go for me as the bone is not
hypertrophied, only the tissue. I also asked about somnoplasty and he
said he doesn't use it for turbinate reduction because the results are
hit or miss and it is much more expensive than cautery. When I brought
up empty nose syndrome, he said, "Oh. You mean atrophic rhinitis?
There is no need to be concerned about that as I always perform the
surgery submucously."

I would like to know from others who have had submucous cautery done
to their turbinates and how it turned out for them. If there are any
ENT specialists out there who have performed submucous cautery, please
let me know what to expect and if there is a significant risk of
developing ENS and atrophic rhinitis. Also, let me know what questions
I should be asking of my ENT when I speak with him on Tuesday morning.
If there is a big risk of the mucousal lining being permanently
damaged, than I might just ask him to perform the septoplasty and
simple outfracture of the turbinates and forget the cautery. Any
comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Stosh30 - 17 Apr 2007 21:16 GMT
> Hello Everyone,
>
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> simple outfracture of the turbinates and forget the cautery. Any
> comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Everyone,

Well, I went to see the ENT again today to discuss the surgery. After
reexamining my nose once again, before and after decongesting, he has
decided against doing a septoplasty. He said it isn't very crooked and
is not blocking drainage, so, it is best to just leave it alone. My
inferior turbinates, however, still need to be reduced in size. He
said what he would do is fracture the turbinates outwards and perform
a submucous diathermy where he would pass the needle under the mucosal
lining a total of 2 or 3 times making sure not to do damage to the
bone or unneccesarily overheat the surface of the turbinate. I printed
out the information on empty nose syndrome from Dr. Grossan's website
for him to read. He read it and said that this procedure will not
cause ENS or atrophic rhinits and that he personally never performs
surface cautery because of the damage it can do to nasal function. One
thing that he did mention is that for about 2 to 6 weeks following the
surgery, I will have swelling, dryness and crusting. It should resolve
after that. He claims that he has never had any of his patients have
problems with chronic painfull dryness after about 8 weeks. I am
hoping he is right. If anyone else has any reccommendations or
thoughts about this, I would like to hear them I haven't booked the
surgery yet, as I would like to hear from all of you about this
procedure.

Oh, one last thing. He did tell me that I also have some swelling of
my middle turbinates as well. Thankfully, it is not obstructing the
ostialmedial unit at all. He doesn't like to touch the middle
turbinates at all except in the case of concha bullosa or obstruction
of sinus drainage. Boy, I sure would like to know what in the heck is
causing this swelling.
 
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