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Is This Sinusitis?

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baseballfurlife@gmail.com - 04 Apr 2007 01:36 GMT
Or is it something else (possibly rhinitis or acid reflux)?

One night (a year ago) I was eating some ice-cream when all of a
sudden I felt a blockage in my throat. I couldn't swallow and it was
hard to breath.

Ever since that night, I have had post-nasal-drip. I cough up clear,
stringy mucus at least 30 times a day, and it seems to get worse when
I eat anything containing sugar (which could be traced back to corn, I
have yet to try this), dairy, or yeast. If my blood-pressure raises
above a certain point (e.g. when i exercise or get mad), there is
thick blockage in my throat the next day. It's not the same color as
the mucus i cough up daily, it's more of a deep green/brown color.

As of late my nasal passages have been inflamating and I am forced to
breath out of my mouth because it is so blocked up. I saw an EMT and
he used a fiber-optic cable to look at my nose and he also discovered
inflammation.

My pediatrician (i'm 15) has put me on almost every antibiotic there
is for bacterial infections, but there is no noticeable change in my
condition. I went for a skin test and everything came back negitive.
truehawk - 04 Apr 2007 06:13 GMT
On Apr 3, 8:36 pm, "baseballfurl...@gmail.com"
<baseballfurl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or is it something else (possibly rhinitis or acid reflux)?
>
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> is for bacterial infections, but there is no noticeable change in my
> condition. I went for a skin test and everything came back negitive.

On Apr 3, 8:36 pm, "baseballfurl...@gmail.com"
<baseballfurl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or is it something else (possibly rhinitis or acid reflux)?
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> is for bacterial infections, but there is no noticeable change in my
> condition. I went for a skin test and everything came back negitive.

Read the other posts in this newsgroup.

Go over to http://www.pubmed.gov
and enter "biofilm sinusitis" and biofilm adenoiditis into the search
box.
Go to the National Science Foundation Center for Biofilm Engineering
Site and read what you find there.

If you can get your parents to do the same.
It is hard for a technically educated adult to get effective treatment
for this disease.
Here is why. Almost all bacteria grow in multispeies communities in
goo they make themselves, but it was almost impossilbe to
identify them or work with them or figure out what they did when many
different species are present, so techniques were developed to
seperate out the bacteria one by one so that only one species of
bacteria was growing on the test media.
Then that bacteria is used on a test animal to see if the bacteria
makes the animal sick, and to see if that bacteria can be recovered
from the test animal when it sickens.
Once the bacteria was proven to cause disease, the minimum amount of
antibiotic needed inhibit growth by a given amount is  determined both
in vitro, (in a petri dish) and in live animals. (Minimum Inhibitory
Concentration 50 or MIC 50 is the amount of antibiotic required to
inhibit the numbers of bacteria by 50%.)
For the last couple of hundred years this is the way that it has been
done, however with the exception of nasties like anthrax, bacteria do
not naturally grow as a single species monoculture,, they live in the
community goo and in the goo, also called a biofilm, they are 100 to
1000 times as hard to kill with most antibiotics, and only about 1% of
the bacteria out there have ever been characterized at all.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1B2GGIC_enUS216&hl=en&q=koch%27s+postulate+biof
ilm&btnG=Google+Search


http://www.biology.ucsd.edu/classes/bimm124.WI07/lec_13-14t_07.pdf

The problem is that having made the simplification 200 years ago, to
make the problem tractable, they forgot that they were looking at a
simplification, not the real thing.  Kinda like mistaking a video game
driving program for real driving..
I can only suppose that it is probably completely frustrating for a
teen, it is completely frustrating for adults and for a lot of Docs
who have taken the time and effort to do the biofilm research or keep
themselves informed of it.

NOW

You have been tested for allergies, so lets assume that you are not
allergic to milk or milk
products.
Bacteria communicate with each other via lactones, acetyl hydro
lactones to be precise, so
milk products just caused some of the slime that was already stuck in
the vicinity of your adenoids to drop down.
Milk does not produce mucus, it does cause the top layer of it to let
go so you can spit it out.

Also when you excercise you increase the flow from the goblet cells in
you nose, so you get better clearance.
That is when you really see what is up there.

You need an MRI or a CT scan.
The the blockage that you describe certainly sounds like a symptom of
adenoiditis.
Normally the adenoids shrink and are pretty much gone by your age, but
it is far from unknown for a infection to cause this lymph tissue at
the top of your throat where your windpipe bends into your sinuses to
swell again in teens and adults.
It is possible you  may need an adenoidectomy which is where they
scrape out your upper tonsils so that they do not block the airway
into your sinuses.

In the meantime,
The goo formers do not like heat. Some of the bonds that hold the
mucus together are like those in geletin and the mucus becomes more
runny at higher temperatures.
Saunas and steam baths may help you to initially clear your airways.
Also you might be able to clear your breathing by spending a day
gargling with a non-alcoholic anti plaque mouthwash such as Crest,
sniffing and spitting out the goo that comes down. You have a much
better chance of vacuuming the goo out the back than blowing it out
the front.
Chocolate milk and letting chewable Vitamin C melt in your mouth along
with a Pepcid will also bring down the goo.
Sniff, Spit Sniff, Spit Sniff, Sniff Spit , Blow.
Gargle, repeat.
There will be an incredible amount of it, but you probably CAN
probably sniff it down faster than the bugs can make it and then stay
ahead of them.
Using a hydro pulse, or a water-pic on low pressure to wash out your
nose with one of the recipes for irrigation solution on this newsgroup
will soften up the dried goo plugs in the front of your nose and allow
you to blow them out once you have opened an airway by sniffing.

Bacteria such as e coli make amyloid fibers (strong, clear, insoluble
molecule thin fibers like those in spider silk) which from a network
that supports the kind of clear bouncy stringy mucus that you
describe. When they that kind of clear stringy mucus such as you
describe in the blood vessels of people's brains they describe it as
cerebral amyloid angiopathy.  One reason that they are having a hard
time getting an MRI contrast agent for beta amyloid approved is that
it keeps highlighting the lining on the sinuses more than lesions in
the brain. I personally think this is a clue about  where the amyloid
comes from in the first place, but a lot of doctors are still having
problems grasping that there are bacteria in the sinuses at all, much
less that they produce toxic goo.

Once the bacteria have latched on and made the slime bed, fungal
spores can germinate and mycelium add strength to the mucus.
Zantac and Pepcid are both over the counter drugs which are anti
fungal when combined with Vitamin C and are quite effective for
stomach pain. To get the most effective anti fungal, Sporanox, you
will have be be diagnosed and have your liver enzymes checked on a
regular basis.

I hope this helps you get the treatment that you need to get well.

Study microbiology in school!  Knowledge is your best defense.

Best of luck.

Elizabeth
baseballfurlife@gmail.com - 04 Apr 2007 20:19 GMT
Thanks for the information, Elizabeth!

After looking at some common symptom of Adenoiditis, it seems like I
may have it.

I have had a Cat Scan and the results came back negative for a
bacterial infection, but I'm not sure if an infection related to
adenoiditis would be picked up in a scan for Chronic Rhinitis which I
was diagnosed with by my doctor.

Thanks for recommending an irrigation pump, I tried it this morning
and my condition improved significantly.

I have been taking Zantac and Vitamin C supplements for the past three
months, but the blockage worsened over that period of time. I don't
think it helped very much.

Would consuming large amounts of dairy at once reduce the amount of
goo that drips down after the initial drippage? Kind of like purging
my sinus cavities i guess.
truehawk - 04 Apr 2007 21:56 GMT
Base:

> I have been taking Zantac and Vitamin C supplements for the past three
> months, but the blockage worsened over that period of time. I don't
> think it helped very much.

The VC and Zantac or Pepcid have to be used together to be effective.

You have to let it melt in your mouth. This stuff errects a barrier on
the surface between it and your immune cells and acts like an oil rig,
anchored, but above it all. The best way to get Vitiman C and Pepsid
or anything else to it is by holding it in your mouth for a while, or
by putting it in your irrigation solution.

> Would consuming large amounts of dairy at once reduce the amount of
> goo that drips down after the initial drippage? Kind of like purging
> my sinus cavities i guess.

You don't even have to swallow , just kinda garrgle the milk for a
minute then sniff and spit out the goo as it comes down.

Dannion makes a product called Immunity that comes in a little 100ml
bottle, to supplying good flora, let it sit in your mouth a while and
then swallow it.

E
truehawk - 04 Apr 2007 22:13 GMT
> > Would consuming large amounts of dairy at once reduce the amount of
> > goo that drips down after the initial drippage? Kind of like purging
> > my sinus cavities i guess.

By the way, NOT a good idea to put dairy or the like in your
irrigation solution.
there can be simi-dehydrated goo in your sinuses, anything that causes
it to hydrate, become less viscos and come down will also cause it to
gain volume. You can get the ice flo effect where it all gets hydrated
enough to swell and block everything, but not enough to flow down.

The only way that works seems to be holding something in your mouth
that gets it to turn loose and then sniffing it out the back way over
as many hours or days as it takes, with the ocassional blow once
airflow is established.
baseballfurlife@gmail.com - 04 Apr 2007 22:41 GMT
> The VC and Zantac or Pepcid have to be used together to be effective.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> or anything else to it is by holding it in your mouth for a while, or
> by putting it in your irrigation solution.

Ok, I will try this.

Thanks again for the responses, any help at all is appreciated... i
just wish it would go away.
Murray Grossan - 05 Apr 2007 04:39 GMT
On 4/4/07 12:19 PM, in article
1175714396.160454.133570@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,

> Thanks for the information, Elizabeth!
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> goo that drips down after the initial drippage? Kind of like purging
> my sinus cavities i guess.

A CT scan would show enlarged adenoids or pathology in that area.
 
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