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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2007

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Teeth & gravity connection

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Ghamph - 25 Feb 2007 21:48 GMT
The maxillary ostium connects to the nasal cavity by a narrow tubular
passage called the infundibulum, located at the highest part of the sinus;
hence, drainage from the maxillary sinus flows against gravity by
mucociliary clearance. Because the floor of the maxillary sinus is the
tooth-bearing part of the maxilla, dental infections can easily extend to
the maxillary sinus. Even though the nasal cavity is usually colonized with
bacteria, sinuses are typically sterile.

Perhaps we should pay attention to the teeth and gums as well as irrigation
of sinus.  Trying to reverse gravity also helps.
Thin productive mucus is our best friend , however unwelcome it might be.
If we're on a date or at a meeting , we might not think so , but anything
that gives me a temporary snot storm is a good thing.
Jamffer
truehawk - 25 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT
> The maxillary ostium connects to the nasal cavity by a narrow tubular
> passage called the infundibulum, located at the highest part of the sinus;
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that gives me a temporary snot storm is a good thing.
> Jamffer

Healthy sinuses often contained culturable bacteria in 9 out of 25
patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=10219435&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


There's another report where they cultured both healthy and CS
sinuses. The abstract does not clearly state how many  healthy
controls and how many samples were from CS patients, but I gather that
the culture bacterialology did not corrolate well with clinical
status.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16539298&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


I can not find any reports where a live/dead stain like SYTO 10 dye
and DEAD Red stain and florescent illumination has been used to view
mucus
from healthy and CS sinuses. I believe that they did some work like
that at U Penn, because I remember someone quoting Palmer saying that
it lit up like a city, but like I said, they did not publish.

Anyhow, it can go both ways. Norcardia from teeth can climb into the
sinuses, and infection from the sinuses can undermine the roots of
teeth.
Ghamph - 26 Feb 2007 02:38 GMT
> > The maxillary ostium connects to the nasal cavity by a narrow tubular
> > passage called the infundibulum, located at the highest part of the sinus;
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Healthy sinuses often contained culturable bacteria in 9 out of 25
> patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=10219435&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


> There's another report where they cultured both healthy and CS
> sinuses. The abstract does not clearly state how many  healthy
> controls and how many samples were from CS patients, but I gather that
> the culture bacterialology did not corrolate well with clinical
> status.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16539298&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


> I can not find any reports where a live/dead stain like SYTO 10 dye
> and DEAD Red stain and florescent illumination has been used to view
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> sinuses, and infection from the sinuses can undermine the roots of
> teeth.

I'm not sure how to tell whether the sinus affects the teeth or verse-visa.
They claim that , more than one tooth hurting close together with an
infection in same side as maxillary sinus , is evidence of probable
co-infection.  Once I had an abscess tooth that blew out my left tonsil.
Mucus in the sinus should be sterile , but I know that mine can't be.  Mucus
also contains antibodies , which is good.  It's better not to swallow it
when we know that there is an infection , so some say.
Jamffer , The sniffer
truehawk - 26 Feb 2007 22:48 GMT
Keeping the gums healthy has been found to be benificial in a lot of
diseases. In fact there is a rich literature showing type 2 diabetes
going into remission when gum disease is treated with antibotics.

As far as gravity goes, when you lay prone or on your sid the maxilary
sinuses can drain by gravity.

Again, healthy sinuses have not been found to be sterile. 60% or so
have culturable bacteria in them,
And CS cultures are often culture negative, presumabley due to
previous antibotic use.

The culture results have left a lot of researchers in a high state of
frustration.

CS IS highly corrolated with the presence of a biofilm.
The presence of quorem sensing chemicals is probably going to be found
to be the best
diagnostic test for CS.

Sinus biofilms are in my opinion a time bomb because bacteria within
biofilms swap DNA with each other, so every time you
breath in the bacteria on a bit of dust, you add to the community
genome.  If you happen to breath in some highly resistant bug, the
whole
biofilm will rapidly become resistant. Seems to me that since most
bacteria are carried on dust, Sinus biofilms are the most subject to
this cumulative effect.
MZB - 27 Feb 2007 02:09 GMT
What does blew out my left tonsil mean??

Mel

>> > The maxillary ostium connects to the nasal cavity by a narrow tubular
>> > passage called the infundibulum, located at the highest part of the
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> when we know that there is an infection , so some say.
> Jamffer , The sniffer
Ghamph - 27 Feb 2007 02:50 GMT
Tooth abscess day one , second day tonsillitis , third day penicillin ,
seventh day swollen tonsil burst (you don't want to here the details).
Left tonsil , doctor said "not enough left to remove".  Had root canal after
infection subsided.    Jamffer
> What does blew out my left tonsil mean??
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> >> Healthy sinuses often contained culturable bacteria in 9 out of 25
> >> patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=10219435&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


> >> There's another report where they cultured both healthy and CS
> >> sinuses. The abstract does not clearly state how many  healthy
> >> controls and how many samples were from CS patients, but I gather that
> >> the culture bacterialology did not corrolate well with clinical
> >> status.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16539298&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum


> >> I can not find any reports where a live/dead stain like SYTO 10 dye
> >> and DEAD Red stain and florescent illumination has been used to view
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > when we know that there is an infection , so some say.
> > Jamffer , The sniffer
MZB - 27 Feb 2007 03:15 GMT
ugghhhh...ouch!!!!
> Tooth abscess day one , second day tonsillitis , third day penicillin ,
> seventh day swollen tonsil burst (you don't want to here the details).
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
>> > when we know that there is an infection , so some say.
>> > Jamffer , The sniffer
 
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