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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Sinusitis / February 2007About Yogurt and Antibiotics
Im always baffled about the usage of yogurt DURING antibiotic treatments. So I wrote to a TOP TV Doctor who works on several BIG time shows with BIGTIME people. He told me that the recolonization in the gut by the yogurts flora is minimal at best and he agreed with ME that eating yogurt FOLLOWING a course of antibiotics is the best and its what he himself recommends.  Signaturepreesi preesi wrote... > Im always baffled about the usage of yogurt DURING antibiotic treatments. > So I wrote to a TOP TV Doctor > who works on several BIG time shows with BIGTIME > people. He told me that the recolonization in the gut by the yogurts flora > is minimal at best and he agreed with ME that eating yogurt FOLLOWING a > course of antibiotics is the best and its what he himself recommends. For a short course of antibiotics this is probably true. However, many with chronic sinusitis take antibiotics for weeks not 7 to 10 days. Moreover, I had the same question and found some research studies that showed that taking probiotics DURING the treatment reduced the incidence of antibiotic induced diarhea. Also, I agree that yogurt probably has little effect which is why I take a probiotic powder that has a lot of the cultures necessary to impact the gut flora. Regards, David "preesi" <preesi@comcast.net> wrote in news:iLmdnQ0h6 _RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com: > Im always baffled about the usage of yogurt DURING antibiotic > treatments. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eating yogurt FOLLOWING a course of antibiotics is the best and its what > he himself recommends. I was taking 500mg of Ceftin twice a day and I had to take a probiotic 2 hours after each antibiotic so I would not get diarhea and cramps. Also after a while I had to cut back on carbs. Additionally, I found out that some probiotics are better than others in keeping your gut flora in balance. The one I like the best is "Natural ACIDOPHILUS with PECTIN" from CVS. It has a blend of bacteria in it, not just acidophilus. It also seemed that consuming more dairy helped. SignatureTerry =========================================================== Terry Raymond Crafted Smalltalk 80 Lazywood Ln. Tiverton, RI 02878 (401) 624-4517 traymond at craftedsmalltalk nospam dot com <http://www.craftedsmalltalk.com> =========================================================== > It also seemed that consuming more dairy helped. As always ... you fix one thing; you break another. I'm not sure about ALL antibiotics, but I've read that you should not take any dairy product (it's the calcium) within 2hrs of taking Doxycycline. Inhibits its absorption. May be true with other antibiotics. A quick Google makes it look like that IS the case with many other antibiotics, too. I take the probiotics whenever stuck with taking antibiotics. I take them 2-3hrs from any dose of the anti's and continue taking them for a few weks after the anti's are over. My husbands MD told him to take Acidiph. tablets when he was on antibiotics. It stopped his diarrhea. shirleyann > "preesi" <preesi@comcast.net> wrote in news:iLmdnQ0h6 > _RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It also seemed that consuming more dairy helped. saccaromyces boulardi works very well, and is not killed off by antibiotics. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Susan Probiotics are great. I needed them for a long time and didn't know until I tried them , what a difference. >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >saccaromyces boulardi works very well, and is not killed off by antibiotics. Just don't take it if you're immunosuppressed :-( >>saccaromyces boulardi works very well, and is not killed off by antibiotics. > > Just don't take it if you're immunosuppressed :-( Why not? It's a non pathologenic yeast. I have taken it while immunocompromised. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Why not? It's a non pathologenic yeast. Cases of Saccharomyces fungemia have been reported. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cases of Saccharomyces fungemia have been reported. In whom, and under what conditions? Do you have citations? Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >In whom, and under what conditions? Do you have citations? Mostly in ICU settings in patients with intravascular catheters. In some cases, the immunosuppressed _roommates_ of patients so treated developed fungemia. Google for "saccharomyces", "fungemia", and "probiotic" and you'll get a bunch of hits. Here is an example: Munoz P, Bouza E, Cuenca-Estrella M, etc. al. Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an emerginc infections disease. Clin Infect Dis 2005, Jun 1;40(11): 1636-7 > Mostly in ICU settings in patients with intravascular catheters. In some > cases, the immunosuppressed _roommates_ of patients so treated developed > fungemia. You're documenting conditions under which just about anything can become pathogenic, no? Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >You're documenting conditions under which just about anything can become >pathogenic, no? Well, it's certainly easier for low-grade pathogens to cause problems when body defenses (or integrity) are compromised. The point is that one must be careful when _adding_ potential pathogens to the mix if the risk/benefit ratio does not favor their safe use. > Well, it's certainly easier for low-grade pathogens to cause problems when > body defenses (or integrity) are compromised. The point is that one must > be careful when _adding_ potential pathogens to the mix if the > risk/benefit ratio does not favor their safe use. There's compromise, and there's COMPROMISE, though. You cited ICU patients in extremely compromised, possibly terminal, shut down states where everything is a threat. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Susan In a review of probiotic therapy, the following were proposed as risk factors for bloodstream infection: MAJOR -Immune compromise, including a debilitated state or malignancy -Premature infants MINOR -central venous catheter -diarrheal illness, intestinal inflammation (impaired epithelial barrier) -administration via jejunostomy -concomitant broad-spectrum antibiotics to which the probiotic is resistant -use or probiotics with high mucosal adhesion or pathogenicity -cardiac valvular disease (lactobacillus only). While the "ICU" type risk factors are represented in the second category, the first major risk factor is immune compromise or debilitated state. Reference: Lestin F, Pertschy A, et. al. Probiotic use in clinical practice: what are the risks? Intensive Care Med 2000;26:825. 47 > In a review of probiotic therapy, the following were proposed as risk > factors for bloodstream infection: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Lestin F, Pertschy A, et. al. Probiotic use in clinical practice: what are > the risks? Intensive Care Med 2000;26:825. 47 You don't think ICU residents are in the first category? Immune compromise has tremendous range of severity, and probiotics can assist in this, too. I think that's why so many AIDS patients take s. boulardi. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >You don't think ICU residents are in the first category? They are, but I don't limit the first category (debilitation, immune compromise) exclusively to ICU patients. >Immune >compromise has tremendous range of severity, and probiotics can assist >in this, too. I think that's why so many AIDS patients take s. boulardi. AIDS patients are also at risk for conditions (ulcerative, inflammatory, neoplastic, etc) that predispose to leakage of organisms from the gut into the bloodstream. Some of the patients who developed invasive disease due to Saccharomyes in the cited studies were, in fact, also AIDS patients. I think that you are trying to justify that your own usage of a probiotic is safe. For most people it is ... probably for yourself also. I am more cautious than that; and the purpose of my post was simply to point out that every form of therapy has risks. > They are, but I don't limit the first category (debilitation, immune > compromise) exclusively to ICU patients. Of course not, but that's what you cited. > AIDS patients are also at risk for conditions (ulcerative, inflammatory, > neoplastic, etc) that predispose to leakage of organisms from the gut into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I won't aruge that anything that's strong enough to help is strong enough to hurt. You're no mind reader, though, and oughtn't presume to know what another person is thinking. I just think your caution was stronger than the facts support for almost everyone. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >enough to hurt. You're no mind reader, though, and oughtn't presume to >know what another person is thinking. Nothing in my response was intended to indicate I "presumed to know" what another was thinking. That is why the sentence began with "I think that..." rather than "I know that...". >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Nothing in my response was intended to indicate I "presumed to know" what > another was thinking. couldn't find any real newz?? > That is why the sentence began with "I think > that..." rather than "I know that...". > "preesi" <preesi@comcast.net> wrote in news:iLmdnQ0h6 > _RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > It also seemed that consuming more dairy helped. Dairy is a binder that makes alot of people constipated, so its NOT the "CULTURES" that prevent the diarrhea, but the DAIRY in the YOGURT. Diarrhea helps FLUSH out bad stuff in your system, including the BAD bacteria from the infections. WHY would you want to stop your body from flushing it out! A multivitamin and gatorade is better... Signaturepreesi On 2/21/07 11:39 AM, in article iLmdnQ0h6_RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com, "preesi" <preesi@comcast.net> wrote: > Im always baffled about the usage of yogurt DURING antibiotic > treatments. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eating yogurt FOLLOWING a course of antibiotics is the best and its what > he himself recommends. There is increasing evidence that eating yogurt daily may have significant benefit to your health. > On 2/21/07 11:39 AM, in article > iLmdnQ0h6_RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCin...@comcast.com, "preesi" <pre...@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There is increasing evidence that eating yogurt daily may have significant > benefit to your health. I'm sure you are right about this one. But what I believe is an advantage of taking probiotics while on antibiotics is that the bacteria in probiotics are specifically selected to be resistant to most antibiotics - this way they are not killed by wide spectrum anitbiotics and are far more effective in keeping balance than those from yogurt. Regards, Martin J. > On 2/21/07 11:39 AM, in article > iLmdnQ0h6_RTAkHYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com, "preesi" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > There is increasing evidence that eating yogurt daily may have > significant benefit to your health. But thats not what we are talking about, right? Signaturepreesi
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