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Carpal tunnel syndrome is more linked to genetics than typing

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Kofi - 19 Feb 2007 03:05 GMT
I've attached my own commentary.

<http://www.webmd.com/content/article/131/118210?src=RSS_PUBLIC>

February 18, 2007

Study Shows Stronger Link to Genetics Than Excessive Typing or Hand Use
By Kathleen Doheny
WebMD Medical News   Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD
on Friday, February 16, 2007

Feb. 16, 2007 -- Long hours surfing the Internet or typing won't wreck
your wrists, a new study shows.

Carpal tunnel syndromeCarpal tunnel syndrome, long associated with
overuse of the hands and wrists when surfing the Internet or typing, is
linked more to genetics than repetitive use, according to the study.

It was presented today at the 74th Annual Meeting of the American
Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons in San Diego.

"The link between carpal tunnel syndrome and hand use is overstated and
may be inaccurate," says study researcher David Ring, MD. Ring is an
assistant professor of orthopaedic surgery at Harvard Medical School and
a hand surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston.

"The scientific support for the concept [that carpal tunnel is caused by
overuse] is, on average, relatively weak," he says. "The major risk
factor for carpal tunnel is genetic."

Exactly what those genetic factors are is not known, he says, but they
may be related to the structure of the hand and wrists.

What Is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome?

In carpal tunnel syndrome, the median nerve, running from the arm into
the hand, becomes pressed or squeezed at the wrist.

This nerve controls sensations to the thumb's palm side and part of all
the fingers except the little finger.

When the median nerve is squeezed, there can be tingling, pain,
weakness, or numbness in the wrist and hand that radiates up the arm.

Treatment options include rest, immobilization of the wrist, and surgery
to reduce pressure on the nerve.

"A common perception is that carpal tunnel is related to hand use," Ring
says.

That perception is more common among consumers, he says, but some
doctors also believe it.

Studies on whether carpal tunnel syndrome is associated with hand use
have been mixed.

Carpal Tunnel vs. Repetitive Strain Injury

Ring differentiates between carpal tunnel syndrome and repetitive strain
injury, which he prefers to call idiopathic (cause unknown) arm pain.

In this condition, he says, there is pain "but no evidence of injury. It
doesn't involve the carpal tunnel."

The Study

To clarify the debate, Ring and his colleagues looked at 117 studies on
carpal tunnel syndrome published in the medical literature.

They used scientific criteria that determines the strength of a
cause-and-effect relationship by giving it a score.

The researchers looked at biological factors -- such as genetics -- and
occupational factors -- such as a person's job or the amount of
repetitive hand use.

After analyzing the studies, "The quality and strength of evidence
supporting genetic or inherent risk factors was felt to be moderate,"
Ring says.

"The quality and strength of evidence supporting occupational risk
factors was felt to be poor," he says.

Average scores for biological factors linked to carpal tunnel syndrome
were double those of occupational factors, such as occupation or
repetitive hand use, Ring reports.

Implications of the Study

"The link to genetics is strong and believable," Ring says. "If you are
diagnosed with carpal tunnel, you are an innocent bystander. You did
nothing to cause it."

"This should give reassurance to those who use their hands a lot," he
says.
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SOURCES: David Ring, MD, assistant professor of orthopaedic surgery,
Harvard Medical School; hand and upper extremity surgeon, Massachusetts
General Hospital, Boston. 74th Annual Meeting of the American Academy of
Orthopaedic Surgeons, San Diego, Feb. 16, 2007.

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Carpal tunnel can be a symptom of any number of stressful conditions
which affect peripheral nerves, ranging from diabetes to metals
poisoning.  A severe enough food allergy or magnesium deficiency can
cause muscle spasms which compress various neurovascular bundles leading
to carpal tunnel pain.  You may not evern feel anything in the area of
compression.  A good physical therapist may be able to sort this out for
you.

Other causes of carpal tunnel pain can include B vitamin or other
nutritional deficiency, autoimmunity (especially an inflammatory bowel
problem), pregnancy, growth hormone or sex steroid deficiency, TMJ/TMD,
fungal infection and obesity.  Generally speaking, you would probably
see other symptoms but they might appear minor (e.g., athlete's foot,
sinus infections or split fingernails).

Some of these causes can overlap and interrelate.  The bottom line is
they would lower your natural pain threshold in some fashion.  Women
tend to be more sensitive to pain than men - except redheads, who have a
mutation in the neuropeptide system - so it's no surprise women tend to
report more upper body neuromuscular pain.*  Men may be protected by our
naturally higher carnitine levels (testosterone is a carnitine
transporter).  It tends to be the case that taking carnitine raises the
pain threshold while a carnitine deficiency lowers it.  Carnitine
transport defects are associated with autoimmune conditions [PMID
17065219].  Acetyl-l-carnitine, in fact, is one of the few
over-the-counter substances which can repair damaged peripheral nerves
(although it can have side effects).

Substances which inhibit protein kinase C (DHEA, fish oils, a low
glycemic index diet) can boost the pain-relieving actions of carnitine
[PMID 15223307].  Similarly, substances which activate PKC would reduce
this effect and lower the pain threshold.  Sugar elevates PKC.  Wheat in
somebody with celiac disease can elevate PKC.  High homocysteine (i.e.,
a B vitamin deficit) elevates PKC.  Homocysteine also has a nasty habit
of blocking GABA receptors.  Even sleep apnea can raise PKC.

Pain can also be a reflection of opioid signaling problems.  Certain
autoimmune digestive disorders or even just chronic antibiotic use can
knock out mu opioid and cannabinoid receptors [PMID 17159985], which
means you've got fewer docking stations in nerve cells for your body's
own natural analgesics.  Sure enough, when this happens in mice their
tolerance of painful stimulus drops
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10808.html>.  Low-dose naltrexone
can help reverse this alteration and that's probably one reason it's
highly effective for inflammatory bowel disease and Crohn's.  PKC is
also a factor here; it can decrease the number of opioid receptors [PMID
17000011].

It's easy to think this doesn't apply to you but red meat, cow's milk
(casein), wheat and rice digest into natural opioids.  When the gut
barrier is leaky, these partially digested allergens can pass into the
bloodstream and start screwing up your opioid receptors.

There are plenty of other things that matter to pain perception.  
Diabetes, for instance, has a habit of screwing up the body's inhibitory
signaling system (GABA receptors).  I bring up carnitine and opioids
because the research is very recent and most physicians probably haven't
heard of the links.  Discussing this also gives you an idea of how
important various aspects of your metabolism are to pain perception.

Unfortunately, most orthopedists are not competent in these areas of
medicine.  When you're a hammer you tend to see the world as filled with
nails.  Surgeons are no different.  They tend to see the world as filled
with surgical problems.  Indeed, a lot of doctors seem to totally forget
the Krebs cycle once they get out of med school.  Finding one who will
be thorough can be difficult.

I don't know if carpal tunnel surgery is appropriate for any given
individual.  You'll have to make this determination yourself.  I hope
this gives you an idea of how complicated your health problems could
really be once the symptom appears.  Also remember that American
medicine hasn't yet heard of statistical quality control.  We spend more
time and effort figuring out what movies you like to rent than we do
figuring out medical mysteries.  

*  There's also a gender difference in the ability to cause pain as
well.  A female shot nurse will, all other factors being equal, inflict
slightly less pain on her patients because of the way the brain's
perception systems work.
Don Wiss - 19 Feb 2007 15:24 GMT
>Study Shows Stronger Link to Genetics Than Excessive Typing or Hand Use

And this has what to do with ibs, sinusitis, and celiac disease?

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
truehawk - 19 Feb 2007 18:19 GMT
I think Kofi is saying that a lot of the symptoms that are caused by a
sinus infection show up in entirely other parts of the body.

"Other causes of carpal tunnel pain can include B vitamin or other
nutritional deficiency, autoimmunity (especially an inflammatory
bowel
problem), pregnancy, growth hormone or sex steroid deficiency, TMJ/
TMD,
fungal infection and obesity.  Generally speaking, you would probably
see other symptoms but they might appear minor (e.g., athlete's foot,
sinus infections or split fingernails). "

He means that there are other systemic effects of a sinus infection.

When I first got my sinus infection my blood pressure went up from
120/80 to 160/120 unless I was taking Advil,
in which case it was only slightly elevated. That has prevailed for
years, good control of infection, good blood pressure,
infection out of control, high blood pressure. The last cuff I had was
at 120/79.

Also when the infection is bad it makes the side of my heel hurt to
the point that running and jogging and even walking beomes painful.
A worsening of this pain is one of the side effects of serrapeptase
for me, which does not conform to the written reports at all,
serrapeptase is not supposed to cause arthritis-like symptoms, but
what it is killing might, so I have come to think that how one
responds to a drug depends a lot on what you have got.
Kofi - 22 Feb 2007 08:16 GMT
> I think Kofi is saying that a lot of the symptoms that are caused by a
> sinus infection show up in entirely other parts of the body.

I'm saying that the same factors which contribute to recurrent sinus
infections also can contribute to lowering the body's pain threshold -
namely Th shifting, food allergy and so forth.  Hand orthos are good at
looking at scans of a wrist and saying "You've got impingement," but
does anybody really know how many patients have impingement but are
asymptomatic?  You might not register the impingement and develop
inflammation if your pain threshold is properly set.

A chronic sinus infection itself can directly cause joint pain in
growing children.  The constant inflammation can alter the development
of the jaw leading to later cases of TMJ and bruxism.

Apnea's another issue.  It can contribute to diabetes and obesity.  That
in turn can cause chronic pain.

> When I first got my sinus infection my blood pressure went up from
> 120/80 to 160/120 unless I was taking Advil,
> in which case it was only slightly elevated. That has prevailed for
> years, good control of infection, good blood pressure,
> infection out of control, high blood pressure. The last cuff I had was
> at 120/79.

Are you aware that blocking COX-1 inhibits PGE1 and gut linging repair
processes?  Inhibiting COX-2 blocks some growth hormone/stem cell repair
pathways, blocks the PGE2 needed to fight infection and blocks PGE2 from
activating regulatory T-cells, which are already underactive in allergy
and other forms of autoimmunity.
truehawk - 23 Feb 2007 04:54 GMT
> Are you aware that blocking COX-1 inhibits PGE1 and gut linging repair
> processes?  Inhibiting COX-2 blocks some growth hormone/stem cell repair
> pathways, blocks the PGE2 needed to fight infection and blocks PGE2 from
> activating regulatory T-cells, which are already underactive in allergy
> and other forms of autoimmunity.

At what dosage levels and in the presence of what?

When I was in a car accident and had a neck injury and a torn cartlige
in my knee I was prescribed about 2 GRAMS of Motrin a day. WAY TOO
MUCH! So I have a pretty good appreciation of what havoc that can
cause.

However 200mg of diclofenac and other  NSAIDs increase the
effectiveness of antibotics and seem well tolerated without liver or
stomach problems.
Also, ever wornder what the difference is between a bilght resistant
and blight prone tomato or potato plant?
The blight resistant plants express much higher levels of salacidic
acid.

I am not presently taking any NSAIDs at all, COX-1 or COX-2, and my BP
is good.

But about allergy and autoimmunity.

A researcher recently transplanted a segment of a mouse heart into the
ear of another mouse that had been infected and cleared of chagas
disease. The idea has always been that the immune system attacks the
heart in this instance because some protein is shared with the
parasite, however the healthy heart tissue in the ear was not
attacked. Turns out that the cells of the heart being attacked by the
immune system have chagas parasite DNA in them.

Now we have DNA probes we are finding that a lot of so called
autoimmune reactions are indeed reactions to bacteria that have taken
cover within the first layer of cells, or at least pushed a plasmid.
Pouta - 25 Feb 2007 00:48 GMT
> Now that we have DNA probes, we are finding
> that alot of so-called autoimmune reactions are
> really reactions to bacteria that have taken
> cover within the first layer of cells, or at least
> pushed a plasmid.

so you're saying that by virtue of "taking cover
within the first layer of cells" the bacteria are
resistant to anti-biotics ...?
truehawk - 25 Feb 2007 03:26 GMT
> > Now that we have DNA probes, we are finding
> > that alot of so-called autoimmune reactions are
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> within the first layer of cells" the bacteria are
> resistant to anti-biotics ...?

yep

Bacteria such as e-coli, Listeria ,salmonella, shigella, Porphyromas
gingivalis, and TB, and malaria and their kin and cuzes all invade
host cells.

They stick to the surface of cells, and then the cell membrane
invaginates to make a little vacoule and a protein called dynamin
chops the neck of  the vesicle with the bacteria in it from the cell
membrane so the bacteria is now inside the cell. Then bacteria produce
NO2 to activitate dynamin again so that they break out of the vesicle
which should be headed for distruction, and into the cytoplasm proper
instead, where they can hang around sheltered from antibotics and that
pesky immune system.

Quinine and chloroquine do not kill bacteria, their antibacterial
action is due to blocking this process of bacterial invasion of
cells.
Those bacterially infected cells will slough off in about 3 weeks and
you will get rid of your little buddies for good if you are taking
both antibotics and something like quinine to the bacteria from
invadeling new cells.
Which is one reason why it is so difficult to get rid of these little
buddies and why
1. you have to take your meds for that long. and
2. Why you might put up with the stomach upset and dizzyness and
ringing in the ears that the combo treatment entails.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060130033242.htm

also you have to wait out the "persistent cells".

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220032017.htm

Most antibotics are not effective against the bacteria once they are
inside the cell. The some of the macrolides diffuse through the cell
wall and inhibit the bacteria inside cells which is why they are more
effective than other antibotics in vivo than they look in vitro.

For the future, the peptides Cecropin A and Temporin A  penetrate the
bacteria and disrupt its cell machinery so it is in peices before it
even thinks about becoming resistent.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/02/030207070803.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ctPlus&list_uids=16797106&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

marika - 19 Feb 2007 19:06 GMT
> I've attached my own commentary.
>
> <http://www.webmd.com/content/article/131/118210?src=RSS_PUBLIC>
>
> February 18, 2007

The hand doctor's name is Ring.  How cute!

> Study Shows Stronger Link to Genetics Than Excessive Typing or Hand Use
> By Kathleen Doheny
[quoted text clipped - 173 lines]
> slightly less pain on her patients because of the way the brain's
> perception systems work.
 
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